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oh snap hi cheeeeet! :3

unwnd to be honest I find it a little disturbing that you are making such a show out of not revaluating gamma/kazyan

I'm not saying you should be reevaluating but the whole "I will die on this gamma hill" and "wow kazyan must be godlike scum if they are scum" feels... performative

the worst/unwnd being scum together is a hilarious world

if duckie/unwnd scum decided to no kill just to fake claim doctor cuz they were scared i was gonna come for them today that would be wild

wouldnt it be easier for them to just shoot me

In post 2576, Dannflor wrote:unwnd to be honest I find it a little disturbing that you are making such a show out of not revaluating gamma/kazyan

I'm not saying you should be reevaluating but the whole "I will die on this gamma hill" and "wow kazyan must be godlike scum if they are scum" feels... performative

It was exaggeration for effect when it came to Kaz. I don't really see a hypothetical town consisting of the names listed having them as top town altogether

idk if people paid attention to my game in team mafia
but.
remember zaiden?
i dont really trust people to parse a player when they turn their brains off when it comes to them acting weirdly.

pooky wrote:oh snap hi cheeeeet! :3

hi pooky sorry for taking my skin off this game i just wanted to try something different (:

In post 2580, Gorkington wrote:i dont really trust people to parse a player when they turn their brains off when it comes to them acting weirdly.

this is probably unfairly dismissive but.
i do think that theres way too much leeway being given to kazyan based on them acting weirdly.

In post 2580, Gorkington wrote:idk if people paid attention to my game in team mafia
but.
remember zaiden?
i dont really trust people to parse a player when they turn their brains off when it comes to them acting weirdly.

pooky wrote:oh snap hi cheeeeet! :3

hi pooky sorry for taking my skin off this game i just wanted to try something different (:

I called Zaiden scum that game and told Maria to write a wall about him and believed me

Yeah I remember that :/

If I absolutely no choice eating crow morning lunch and dinner option

I would vote Kaz because I strongly believe in resolving in us 3

i thought zaiden was scum up until he wrote a big essay about how i was a trash person and i wanted to believe that mafia wouldnt do that just because they were fragile about being scumread but here we are.

p-edit: i mean i think its just optimal to flip someone else and see what happens with gamma?
are you confident in your ability to hunt for partners? treat gamma as a confirmed scumflip and who is a likely partner in your pool?

i like how maria basically trashed my scum team as "too shitty" for her to be a part of

good times lol

In post 2585, Gorkington wrote:i thought zaiden was scum up until he wrote a big essay about how i was a trash person and i wanted to believe that mafia wouldnt do that just because they were fragile about being scumread but here we are.

p-edit: i mean i think its just optimal to flip someone else and see what happens with gamma?
are you confident in your ability to hunt for partners? treat gamma as a confirmed scumflip and who is a likely partner in your pool?

See: secret read. I just need to confirm his flip before I go hard. I know it's not helpful to say (secret read) but yeah this is just how I play. My answer remains the same for who we're voting if not in us 3 which is Meg.

kinda wanna see what Kazy says about all this

i'll just be upfront and say that i think that LLD feels like she has decent partner equity with both kazyan and gamma.

i got very weird vibes from kazyan's vote on her and subsequent unvote and the willingness to go for them over exploring other options like looking outside the pool just seems.. weird.

gamma is also being weird and hedgy about talking about LLD in a way that i dont really understand.

i think that her entrance was fine in terms of it seeming like a protown move, but ive just generally gotten the vibe that she hasnt really been 110% behind any push shes made.
im less confident in this aspect because i think the game has been generally hostile to her in a way that would make it hard to find her feet as either alignment. i just find the way shes been reaching for things seems more self-preservationist in a way that i think has an agenda and not enough solving energy.

i have hesitation here because i think this game has probably sucked for her so far and i dont want to add to that, but shes like a literal nexus of my biggest question marks in this game right now.

I would be really REALLY difficult to see Worst+Unwnd as a combo fake claim for scum.

And if Worst is town, you gotta imagine it's hard to see Unwnd as scum.

So you're looking at best at Worst scum+Unwnd town

but if Unwnd is town, it's either a Gamma fake claim or Kazyan is scum.

So yes I've re-evaluated on Kazyan that the overwhelming likelyhood here is that Kazyan is scum and we should eliminate Kazyan today

In post 2589, Gorkington wrote:i'll just be upfront and say that i think that LLD feels like she has decent partner equity with both kazyan and gamma.

i got very weird vibes from kazyan's vote on her and subsequent unvote and the willingness to go for them over exploring other options like looking outside the pool just seems.. weird.

gamma is also being weird and hedgy about talking about LLD in a way that i dont really understand.

i think that her entrance was fine in terms of it seeming like a protown move, but ive just generally gotten the vibe that she hasnt really been 110% behind any push shes made.
im less confident in this aspect because i think the game has been generally hostile to her in a way that would make it hard to find her feet as either alignment. i just find the way shes been reaching for things seems more self-preservationist in a way that i think has an agenda and not enough solving energy.

i have hesitation here because i think this game has probably sucked for her so far and i dont want to add to that, but shes like a literal nexus of my biggest question marks in this game right now.

Gamma, maybe I'll give you, given an interaction I had with Gamma that could have some possible scum motivation

but do you really REALLY think Kazyan/I have partner Equity after Kazyan tried to policy eliminate me and I had to, no joke, re-write 6 different versions of a response to this?

Like, Kazyan and I having partner equity is so outlandish that it makes me question your motives for suggesting it, because I really really struggle to see how you came to that conclusion.

Also, if anyone is hedging on me rn Gork, it's you.

You open the post saying that you think I have partner equity

and end the post hmming and hawwing about uncertainties and how I've been treated this game.

That's hedging.

In post 2592, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:Also, if anyone is hedging on me rn Gork, it's you.

You open the post saying that you think I have partner equity

and end the post hmming and hawwing about uncertainties and how I've been treated this game.

That's hedging.

but like does this observation mean anything to you

Also, saying I haven't been 110% behind my pushes this game when I went 110 for Dwlee, then went similarly for the Worst even after becoming demotivated.

Then came into today ready to force re-evaluations, worst claims doctor, and I'm re-evaluating.

Land on Gamma and say I'm supporting Unwnd's choice today.

And then Gamma claims a sfot guilty on 2 people who were in my top town pool, saying at least one of them must be scum.

So... yes, I think I'm now on re-evaluation number 3 for the day and I'm landing on the world where Kazyan is liekly just scum because I think Gamma claims something different as a fake claim if he claims parity cop there?

Cause if we kill Kazyan and Kazyan flips town, the worst AND unwnd know Gamma is confirmed scum to them at that point, right?

So why would Gamma risk that claim instead of something way juicier like... say "Meg and LLD are unaligned".

That sets the fight between Meg and I today, meg probably dies, and if Gamma is scum in that world, Meg is town so then I die next and boom 2 town dead before he dies for lying.

why didn't he do that?

In post 2593, Dannflor wrote:

In post 2592, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:Also, if anyone is hedging on me rn Gork, it's you.

You open the post saying that you think I have partner equity

and end the post hmming and hawwing about uncertainties and how I've been treated this game.

That's hedging.

but like does this observation mean anything to you

I mean, yes, but why do I need to reveal how much this is shifting my Gork read right now when we have a very obvious town play to kill Kazyan right here right now.

Why give scum more knowledge of how much I am thinking when I could literally just kill Kazyan

like, let's break it down

no one counter claimed TW on "ability to have stopped the night kill" and should if they haven't last chance seriously, so the worst is either town or scum faked an NK.

if scum faked an NK, there's a VERY low chance Unwnd is also scum at that point. Unwnd wasn't in danger, so it's a weird choice frmo TW no matter what but I think this screams unwnd town.

So we're at TW mostly town, Unwnd almost always town and then we have

Gamma claims a role and result that are a straight up terrible fake claim for him if he is scum. Even if he's resolved to claim Parity cop, there's better fake targets to claim at that point beyond Unwnd/Kazyan.

So Gamma probably tellign the truth and town.

So that's Gamma/Unwnd town with a side of the Worst

who does that leave nearly always as scum minus some SERIOUS gambiting?

Kazayn.

Why are we making this more complicated than that?

someone needs to make a good argument why my logic isn't solid.

Like my view is that in 80% of words or better, Kazyan is just scum here.

and if we're in 20% world, it's good to know the whole Gamma/TW/Unwnd shit has something fucky going on going into NIGHT instead of having to resolve it TOMORROW.

We shuold always kill Kaz here.

i just think that theres a lot of weirdness in the interaction you had with kazyan that doesnt really make sense to me.
like, this is a shea game. a mod who is very explicitly about "hey maybe dont take everything you typically think about games for granted"-design. i would totally get re-assessing on kazyan after a flip in that pile, but unwnd and gamma are both still probable question marks.

gamma isnt claiming a guilty out of no where, its coming from him having been wagoned.
to me, its just very strange for you to have dropped your townread on kazyan based on a lot of uncertainties and the simplest rational to me for doing that is that the interaction from before could have potentially been distancing. i could be wrong, im especially not feeling confident in myself right now, but thats how ive been reading that interaction for a while now.

theres also that it reads like you also downplayed your read there when you had before been saying that kazyan was spewing town on the thread which made it seem like it was based on more than just that series of posts.

LLD wrote:Also, if anyone is hedging on me rn Gork, it's you.

You open the post saying that you think I have partner equity

and end the post hmming and hawwing about uncertainties and how I've been treated this game.

That's hedging.

i can feel guilty about thinking youre mafia and wanting to push you because i dont want this game to be miserable for you regardless of whether im right or wrong, especially given that ive been straight up told that my pushes during D1 were hostile in a way that was demotivating and i'd rather not add to that if i can avoid it at this point.

LLD wrote:Also, saying I haven't been 110% behind my pushes this game when I went 110 for Dwlee, then went similarly for the Worst even after becoming demotivated.

given that youve been explicit about the manufactured aspects of your read on dwlee i would think it would be obvious why it would potentially read as being fake.
i cant really comment on the worst beyond just feeling as though i didnt get a sense that you believed your push there.

Okay then, Gork. Are you currently voting Kazyan?