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I really hope Ineffective hasn't flaked as well.

I said those two things make you look like scum. They don't make you scum. There is a difference.
I also didn't 100% trust goodmornings claims of being a jailkeeper so that was a reason why I voted against him. Currently I have to trust everything he said before hand, but this doesn't mean his reads are right.

It's impossible to draw any solid conclusions about third night. If I were scum I wouldn't go for no-night-kill during third night just in hope of shading goodmorning or you Mac. Seems little far fetched theory. Targeting fferyllt just seems more practical. Third night just make you little scummy looking. I'am still leaning toward inneffective though.

If inneffective have flaked, I would prefer to lynch him. Anyone that replaces him can't really give much information or at least I couldn't trust him much because I can't reflect their style to previous posts.

Fair enough. Neither did I, and I felt GM was scum hence why I pushed her lynch through.

This is also true - we won't know what happened until post-game. If it made me scummy then you probably should've voiced your concern then rather than save it for lylo because that just looks like you are trying to find reasons to push on me.

I stand by that a NK could have happened and it's not as far-fetched as you are making out.

I think I'm also leaning Ine but these last few pages have made me doubt it a second. really need to here from him.

HERE???

hear*

In post 2602, Z7-852 wrote:If inneffective have flaked, I would prefer to lynch him. Anyone that replaces him can't really give much information or at least I couldn't trust him much because I can't reflect their style to previous posts.

true but if it's a site flake it's not indicative of alignment.

During fourth day I stated that if there were no-night kill the PR were most likely candidates but if there were night kill then it could be anyone. But even then I was really wondering why goodmorning wasn't pushing you as much as she should have had. When there is no night kill and you have jailed someone that should really effect more on your reads than it did for goodmorning. This was one of the things that lead me to goodmorning lynch. But now after that I really had to reread the thread and come up with new reads.

After ISO read and votecounting I have to say Inneffective is more suspicious from you two. I would really like to see some one to be replaced in game that is 105 pages long and is in lylo.

Yeah I wondered about GM not pushing me hence why I pushed for her lynch over anything else.

What do you think we should do about Ineffective?

Inneffective last visited the site on Monday so he haven't flaked the site but he haven't posted anything in this thread or any other thread of that matter. I'am currently leaning on lynching him and getting this game over with but on the other hand I really don't want to kill anyone without first hearing them out.
We could spam this thread with more thoughts about game for next 10 or so pages just to make it longer.

Im here, dont replace me.

I checked in monday and didnt really have time to analyse the situation in detail or post anything of value. Same will be true for the next few hours

One thought tho. Z wanting to encourage a lynch on someone who wasnt here, and in his mind at the time had completely flaked from the site looks really unsettling - he later supported it with me visiting the site on monday, but that still leaves him with basically wanting to lynch someone based on no legitimate reason before that

I have stated legitimate reasons for wanting lynch you earlier today. They come from ISO reading you and Mac and looking your interactions with GuyInFreezer. Also votecounts make Inneffective look more scummy than Mac. And in my last post I clearly said I don't feel like lynching someone without hearing them out first. So Inneffectives post was a huge misrep on those parts.

It have been 7 hours and Ineffective still haven't given his thoughts on how to prosede or answered my findings. I can be more active and I'am using my phone.

Your findings are shit and are in essense based in vauge statements with no supporting theory or motivation.

Your logic has been bad all game and... The only reason im not voting you atm is bc goodmorning was just as baseless and insubstancial in his attacks and heflipped town.

Well that's uncharastistly aggressive responce. You can't argue statistics about voting patterns but you can disagree on conclusions that I drew from them. Making clear cases on interaction is hard with phone screen when you really can't use quote or link functions to their full extend. But ether of you can ISO each other and find the same things.

welcome back Ine. glad you haven't flaked.

I wouldn't point fingers at Z for bad logic when both of you were down for lynching PRs. what made you certain scum was fakeclaiming?

lynching both PRs*

In post 2616, Z7-852 wrote:Well that's uncharastistly aggressive responce. You can't argue statistics about voting patterns but you can disagree on conclusions that I drew from them. Making clear cases on interaction is hard with phone screen when you really can't use quote or link functions to their full extend. But ether of you can ISO each other and find the same things.

how is it uncharacteristic for me to be agressive? Ive been agressive all fucking game.... Not to mention in every game i have played.

Im not gunna let you use being on a phone as an excuse for anything because i am on my phone almost everytime i access this site

and to say i have agreed with your logic is a very vauge and unappealing statement because i have had several disagreements with you

In post 2617, Mac wrote:welcome back Ine. glad you haven't flaked.

I wouldn't point fingers at Z for bad logic when both of you were down for lynching PRs. what made you certain scum was fakeclaiming?

I dont think that lynching a pr that you feel is bleeding scum left and right is bad logic.

I agree that it was probably more logical to lynch you instead yesterday...

On the other hand once the vote was at l-1 on goodmorning my bloodthirst for him kicked back in... I almost feel like the l-1 vote was baiting me to hammer and look scummy for it but--- idk maybe he just simply agreed.

Inneffective have used f-word only four time in this game. Haven't played with him before and don't really base lot on meta. Generally I have had quite calm view from Inneffective and he really haven't often lost his cool. But that's really not a only reason why I'am currently leaning toward him as a scum.

Right now I would like to hear both of your ideas who is more likely scum candidate and why. I made my "case" against Ineffective and I will stand behind it now.

I would really appreciate if you guys could get to this game and give your thoughts on it. We have already dragged this long enough. I'am leaning no voting Inneffective right now. If he doesn't give his thoughts soon I will vote for him and risk the possibility of a hammer.

In post 2621, Z7-852 wrote:Inneffective have used f-word only four time in this game. Haven't played with him before and don't really base lot on meta. Generally I have had quite calm view from Inneffective and he really haven't often lost his cool. But that's really not a only reason why I'am currently leaning toward him as a scum.

hmmmmm

You make a decent point with cursing. I am back to playing on epicmafia and the culture is quite different ther. Perhaps some of this has had an impact on my play here. When i first started playing this game i had been for the most part been away from my former site. I got drawn back in trying to get some cheaters banned and ended up making a setup that is currently dominating this rounds competetive play selection---- so i am running for a trophy on one account and joining other games on other accounts and mentoring the games to promote optimal play.

In short i have been completely drawn into my former site where cursing isnt neccesarily considered losing your cool, but is rather a common occurance for alot of players.