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In post 2622, Z7-852 wrote:Right now I would like to hear both of your ideas who is more likely scum candidate and why. I made my "case" against Ineffective and I will stand behind it now.

Your wording here seems rather nervous and quoting the word case implies that you know using the word in reference to your push on me is a tad ironic

In post 2623, Z7-852 wrote:I would really appreciate if you guys could get to this game and give your thoughts on it. We have already dragged this long enough. I'am leaning no voting Inneffective right now. If he doesn't give his thoughts soon I will vote for him and risk the possibility of a hammer.

That is foolish. This is the most important part of the game, what is wrong with developing a pace?

In post 2624, Ineffective wrote:

In post 2621, Z7-852 wrote:Inneffective have used f-word only four time in this game. Haven't played with him before and don't really base lot on meta. Generally I have had quite calm view from Inneffective and he really haven't often lost his cool. But that's really not a only reason why I'am currently leaning toward him as a scum.

hmmmmm

You make a decent point with cursing. I am back to playing on epicmafia and the culture is quite different ther. Perhaps some of this has had an impact on my play here. When i first started playing this game i had been for the most part been away from my former site. I got drawn back in trying to get some cheaters banned and ended up making a setup that is currently dominating this rounds competetive play selection---- so i am running for a trophy on one account and joining other games on other accounts and mentoring the games to promote optimal play.

In short i have been completely drawn into my former site where cursing isnt neccesarily considered losing your cool, but is rather a common occurance for alot of players.

pagebumping this in case you miss the part where i said you have at least one valid point and think i am attacking you

k well I kinda agree that I wouldn't class the f-word as cursing really, my idea of rage as such would be CAPS LOCK PARTY BECAUSE CAPSLOCK = RAGE. I feel like, at the moment, we are all just dipping our toes in the water and running away because it's cold and then repeating that process. I'm kinda stuck between who is the scum between you both because you are both kinda conservative - not that that is bad per se, it just makes it harder.

It's weird that Z used "case" in speech marks but I think it's stretching ALOT to say that he is doing so because he is scum and knows it's not real. that's a complete giveaway to his stance here I think and it's not something I think scum would do. note I am not saying he is town, I am saying it's not alignment indicative and it's strange to suggest so.

In post 2628, Mac wrote:k well I kinda agree that I wouldn't class the f-word as cursing really, my idea of rage as such would be CAPS LOCK PARTY BECAUSE CAPSLOCK = RAGE. I feel like, at the moment, we are all just dipping our toes in the water and running away because it's cold and then repeating that process. I'm kinda stuck between who is the scum between you both because you are both kinda conservative - not that that is bad per se, it just makes it harder.

It's weird that Z used "case" in speech marks but I think it's stretching ALOT to say that he is doing so because he is scum and knows it's not real. that's a complete giveaway to his stance here I think and it's not something I think scum would do. note I am not saying he is town, I am saying it's not alignment indicative and it's strange to suggest so.

Ya i wasnt really saying that it was an alignment indicator --- just pointing out that. at the very least he himself knows that he hasnt made a legitimate case against me. If he thought he did he wouldnt use the ironic form of quotes

do you think he would so brazenly do that if he were scum? I don't think his use of quotes is intended to mean it isn't a case but I am interested to hear what it does mean

There is no other use for quotes aside 1. Quoting something 2. Indicating irony in the word being quoted

At least there have been some interaction here. I know this is most important time in the game and we cannot rush our decision but I get annoyed when there are days where there are no new posts. And I would call my case against Ineffectiva a case (without quote marks) because it's not as well structured as I am used to make cases. Not because it's a bad case IMO. Normally when I make cases I quote and point to evidence. That makes a case believable and variable for other players. Because I couldn't do this on phone I called it a "case" same way you call home made sandwich "a subway".

What comes to Ineffectives use of f-word, it was unusual of him. If say example goodmorning did the same I wouldn't make as big deal of it. I just had more composed view of Inneffective. It just jumped to my radar when player who have been passive for several days without reason acts differently than usually.

Well confidering i have been plenty agressive without using many curse words---what the fuck does fuck have to do with anything? and you use it as evidence --- when i didnt do it before---- I MUST HAVE BEEN CULTED. My alignment change obvoisly made me start cussing suddenly?

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Again. It's not the use of f-word but the attitude chance that I felt. I just used the f-word as an example how you have been calmer before. This isn't really any hard evidence of alignment but sudden chance in behavior when under pressure just makes me feel like there is something you are hiding.

I just feel like we are focusing now too much on the little details (in this case the use of f-word by Inneffective or my quote marks around word case). We should really look for the whole game and interactions with different players, voting patterns and expressions used in this jungle of 100+ pages long. I started that noticing the voting pattern and general interaction between you two and GuyInFreezer (and his predecessors). With this really slim overlook it seemed that Inneffective is more suspicious of you two.

In post 2632, Z7-852 wrote: What comes to Ineffectives use of f-word, it was unusual of him. If say example goodmorning did the same I wouldn't make as big deal of it. I just had more composed view of Inneffective. It just jumped to my radar when player who have been passive for several days without reason acts differently than usually.

i don't agree that ineffective is a calm player since he has like 400 posts and replacing in midway through the game. but use of the fword is not and never will be alignment indicative and I really don't know what the point you are trying to make here is?

Passivity and calmness aren't same thing. Cursing and acting aggressively isn't alignment indicator and here I completely agree with Mac. I just noted that using f-word was uncharacteristic from Inneffective. Meaning he acted differently than I would have expected. Again not a alignment indicator but just a little thing I noticed. We really should focus more on the game as whole rather than picking up this small things.

Not only is it not an alignment indicator.. ITS NOT TRUE

i have been agressive all game --- and i dont feel like im under any sort of pressure atm

I feel really calm and relaxed. With a calm assurance that everything you have thrown at me is complete bullshit

I kinda get the feeling from the last few posts Z is throwing shit and seeing what sticks. it's bizarre, especially the f-word thing.

and guess what--- despite me thinking you are full of shit and that your logic is bad--- i think you are town right now--- seriously tho i want to see you defend at least one point you have made against me in a way i can understand because i want to know the root of these flawed logical patterns you are presenting


I want to know whats going on your head because i have seen some seriously god-awful logic come from the towny we lynched --- but there is also the part where you could be scum making shit up as you go and desiring to deflect any minute details that are pointed out as flawed with vauge buffering statements and wont be able to trace an actual thought pattern when i inquire about them because you never had one


So please do tell me how i was a less agressive player before

Pedit: LOL TOOK THE WORDS OUT OF MY MOUTH

I feel like we are focusing on tiny detail now and are not willing to look at the big picture. It seems like scum wants us to talk about one thing I said that I never even have claimed to be a alignment indicator. I just said that I was expecting different kind of response from Inneffective and now we haven't talked about anything else. Scum is using this discussion about f-word as a red herring and diverting our focus away from the big picture (that is the 100 page long game).

In post 2643, Z7-852 wrote:I feel like we are focusing on tiny detail now and are not willing to look at the big picture. It seems like scum wants us to talk about one thing I said that I never even have claimed to be a alignment indicator. I just said that I was expecting different kind of response from Inneffective and now we haven't talked about anything else. Scum is using this discussion about f-word as a red herring and diverting our focus away from the big picture (that is the 100 page long game).

Im asking a simple question that still has not been answered. I expect an answer. I gave the reasons why i want an answer. Tell me why. And how you came to the conclusion that i am somehow more agressive now. It isnt just the f-word we are talking about here... You said i was uncharacteristicly aggressive


also... You say you want to talk aboit other things... YET I DONT SEE YOU TALKING ABOUT THEM?????

I just felt like you were uncharacteristically aggressive and that you haven't used the f-word often in this game. That's all. There wasn't any deeper insight here.
And I have ISOed both of you and given my thoughts on your voting and interaction patterns. Then I have waited for you to give your thoughts on game so far.

In post 2640, Ineffective wrote:and guess what--- despite me thinking you are full of shit and that your logic is bad--- i think you are town right now--- seriously tho i want to see you defend at least one point you have made against me in a way i can understand because i want to know the root of these flawed logical patterns you are presenting

this really bugs me because if you think z is town then i must be scum - yet you don't seem to be pushing that angle at all?

there was something z said which made me think he scumslipped but I'll have to go find it.

In post 2596, Z7-852 wrote:Now I really don't follow your logic?

There was a blocked kill during night three. So that means it's ether you or that scum attacked fferyllt.

We really can't see how this is helping us right now. My spreadsheet about pairings is on my tabletop back in jvk so I really can't say much about them. Goodmornings decision to pair GuyInFreezer only with you just makes you look worse.

this was it. like he knew there was a kill blocked, rather than a no kill too, but maybe that's just me?

I just don't see no-kill to be viable option to anyone else than false claiming scum. And since I was wrong about there being one only logical solution is that scum tried to kill during night.
Now that I think about it fferyllt seemed to be logical kill during night 4 and I didn't think more of it but what if scum tried to kill fferyllt during night 3 also. That would mean that Mac cannot be scum.

In post 2648, Z7-852 wrote:I just don't see no-kill to be viable option to anyone else than false claiming scum. And since I was wrong about there being one only logical solution is that scum tried to kill during night.
Now that I think about it fferyllt seemed to be logical kill during night 4 and I didn't think more of it but what if scum tried to kill fferyllt during night 3 also. That would mean that Mac cannot be scum.

Z let me break this down for you how no killing would work in that situation for scum.

> GM claims jailkeeper; scum would realises this is a likely legit claim
> During the pairing with GIF, she only pairs me with GIF.
> Scum sees this and takes advantage of it. a no kill will ALWAYS throw a cat amongst the pigeons, I can show you a similar example in a game where I was roleblocker, which is similarish, which worked out badly for town if you like. I roleblocked a vanilla town, the vt was lynched next day and I was nk'd. Spanner in the works, it's a free pass. you see what I'm getting at?

I hope this clears up what I'm thinking about with regards to a no kill. like I say it could also be that ffery was attacked & protected but we won't know until post-game.

now tell me, what do you make of Ineffective calling you likely town despite attacking you a little and not attacking me? because if he sees you as 'likely town' then logically I am 'likely scum' - yet his day 5 posting makes very little sense towards this line of thinking because he has barely interacted with me nor questioned me.