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In post 2624, Siblings Quarrel wrote:

In post 2623, Titus wrote:particularly with the debates Math may be having with SQ later if all goes according to plan.

Am I allowed to ask what this is, or do I have to wait like a good little Alisae to find out?
-Ali

Wait my darling like an awesome Alisae you are. I'm just a powerless little woman when we chat.

-Narna

In post 2622, Gamma Emerald wrote:@Cerberus I love you not including "chairman doggo NOT having the immunity" possibility.

Umm, I addressed that at the start of my wall, where I said "assuming they had the claimed immunity blah blah". The universe where they DON'T have the claimed immunity and are town is the reason why I said they should be shot for being stupid and making that claim.

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[quote="In post 2620, Cerberus v666"
Now, in the scenario we were presented with, a shot at Doggo, has three possibilities.

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See the above? That addresses that scenario. Gamma, how can you persistently misunderstand my posts? Earlier you interpreted my posts regarding Titus' as somehow calling her out for rolefishing, and now you fail to recognize that the above post was meant to explain the line of reasoning that led to me suggesting that Gamma shoot the claimed faction immune over a universal scumread. That line of reasoning is obviously not relevant in the event that the factional immunity does not exist, so there's NOTHING TO ADDRESS in that scenario, and it has NO RELEVANCE to my line of reasoning.

One can't plan for town lies when determining optimal lines of play, all one can do is assume all statements are true if town, and possibly true if scum, and look at the results of those three possible scenarios of honest town, honest scum, and lying scum.

pedit: Holy shit you people are fucking incompetent. Wall. I wrote a big ass fucking wall to address your point that it seemed that my approach to the situation was VERY different, and displayed that NO, it wasn't very different, and NO, the claimed factional immunity wasn't a minor difference, and you fucking latch onto the part where I CLEARLY said I gave no fucks about whether or not Doggo was town because stupid town deserve to die. Like, your initial point had some merit if you didn't understand my thought process, town!Cerb has done one thing in the recent past, why is he advocating something different this time, but this? That last part is pretty obviously me not caring about winning AT ALL. In that sequence of posts I advocated for shooting myself OR doggo.

So no, it had nothing to do with winning, or teaching someone a lesson. I sincerely believe that Doggo's death would be better for the game state(because they've been shown to be liars now, and they're spammy, so if town, I'd prefer they were gone), but that belief had nothing to do with my final statements on the vig shot.

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No, but IGNORING the part where I explain the thought process, the specific thing you asked about, and instead shifting the conversation to a completely separate issue, DOES give the appearance of incompetence(at least the sort of incompetence that comes in the form of ignoring when someone addresses your concerns and looking for new reasons to support your bias once the old reason has been shown to be shitty).

Regarding the obvtown bullshit: No. That's purely subjective. You can't make that statement with any degree of authority. What's obvtown to you isn't obvtown for others, therefore my advocacy for a shot on a slot you believe to be obvtown has no significance as a sign of my own competence(or lack thereof).

I do agree that I'm an asshole though. People are biased in general, and too stupid to REALIZE they're biased, so I tend to treat everyone as irrational all the time within the confines of Mafia. And it's well within your rights to think it's optimal to lynch fucking assholes. Feel free. Such a push actually has a chance for success at this stage, unlike earlier when Doggo and Titus voted for me.

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I generally don't do vibes. I do evidence. I do reasoning and conscious thought. So yes, if something is explained to me and actually makes sense, without the explanation itself contradicting previous statements, that piece of evidence is filed away as reasonable and only worth reexamining upon the emergence of further evidence.

And I don't care about you letting go of or not letting go of the read. What I care about is the complete dismissal of my explanation that comes when you wholly ignore the explanation and instead focus on other minutiae. As I said, it gives the appearance of confirmation bias. It makes it seem that you're more interested in finding evidence to support the position you've adopted rather than evaluating the situation and determining what position makes sense. We would have had no problem had you said "Okay, maybe your original suggestion for the shot wasn't as out of character as I thought, but later on, when you advocated for the shot anyways after learning that the claim was not true, THAT was definitely out of character. It was not a shot at a universal scumread as you had previously suggested in prior games. You say that the other optimal line is using the day vig as a second lynch, so why didn't you default back to that thought when your other idea was proven unworkable?"

Stating things that way, in a fashion that makes it clear that you bothered reading my post, and are actually responding to it, and that you have a valid complaint?

That's something I can respect and will refrain from calling stupid.

^ I just reread my last post and I've clearly spent too much time hydraing because I referred to myself as we. That's pretty entertaining really, but will probably be called a scum slip by someone. *sigh* Ah well.

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In post 2637, Cheetory6 wrote:_|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|
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___|___|explain it away, so I moved on to something that I felt I could poke at to get more of a read on you. If I was actively screaming for you to get lynched I could get your|___|___
_|___|frustration, but it was just a literal question and that's it. Maybe some inference could get you to "HE IS CALLING ME SCUM FOR THIS" but it was literally just me poking|___|
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cerberus is town

So many alt slips, but dedication to the post restriction at least.

To answer your question: I'm not really interested in making it easy for people to sort me, ever? I'm also not defensive about basic questioning, I'm defensive about questioning from individuals who seem to be wasting my time by ignoring my previous answers. I don't like wasting my time. As I said, the question you asked would have been fine had it seemed to come from a place of thought, rather than an ignorant desire to "gotcha" me by pointing out something else. Not saying that it came from such a desire, I'm simply explaining the way it looked to me, and the reason behind the way I reacted.

In post 2641, Cerberus v666 wrote:So many alt slips, but dedication to the post restriction at least.

To answer your question: I'm not really interested in making it easy for people to sort me, ever? I'm also not defensive about basic questioning, I'm defensive about questioning from individuals who seem to be wasting my time by ignoring my previous answers. I don't like wasting my time. As I said, the question you asked would have been fine had it seemed to come from a place of thought, rather than an ignorant desire to "gotcha" me by pointing out something else. Not saying that it came from such a desire, I'm simply explaining the way it looked to me, and the reason behind the way I reacted.

The above post is a lie actually, the first sentence at least. In Bloodborne I was very interested in obvtowning(because of the games mechanics and my role there was special reason to want everyone to townread me), and I made an effort to do so for the first time ever. So, there has been an occasion where I wanted people to easily sort me, it's just not something I desire in most games.

In post 2640, rb wrote:cerberus is town

Am I still scum?

VOTE: Sly

End the day already

HEY GIN
I WANT TO TALK TO YOU

In post 2645, Gamma Emerald wrote:HEY GIN
I WANT TO TALK TO YOU

ask questions, i'm about to drive to work, i'll answer at stop lights

Why did you vote me after gifting your vote to me?

That was me wanting you to sheep my vote and I already explained this, go look in my iso and see where I said alright fuck it

Oh
I read it wrong
Gfdi