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In post 2620, Gamma Emerald wrote:

In post 2536, the worst wrote:

In post 2531, Gamma Emerald wrote:

In post 2528, unwnd wrote:

In post 2527, the worst wrote:fucking lol
VOTE: no elim

More please?

Can we ducking not? I’d like a solid idea of what to do here.

{kazyan,unwnd,me} + lld imo

I was checking what no elim was at because while I want to cast my vote there I don’t wanna hammer it until Kazyan clarifies his mechsolve
This suggestion doesn’t really work. I can’t target kaz or unwnd again until n3, and I agree with the assertions that targeting you seems like a bad idea.

Why would you want to vote No Elim over Kazyan in this world when you, from your perspective, know your results to be real.

At that point you only need to question The Worst's unwnd protection, which is super liekly to yield Unwnd town anyway.

So why are you favouring a no elimination?

In post 2624, MegAzumarill wrote:No elimination

Which does not lose the tempo

Why not do Kazyan today, which also doesn't lose the tempo and provides us with more information going into this next very important night.

In post 2618, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:Because there were better options that buy him more than a day as scum and don't tie him into the Unwnd/Worst skepticism.

this is entirely contingent upon us flipping kazyan now and the worst dying at night. he would buy more than a night in the scenario that we no lim.
this is also entirely dependent on the notion that someone who is being hard pushed all of a sudden is inherently going to come up with a good claim.
ie: dgb signature, etc.

LLD wrote:Further, you're not threatening to me, because I'm not on the chopping block today.

in another parallel universe where im feeling good my response to this would be "i love a good challenge".
i dont really see why you think youre in a particularly safe position right now.

LLD wrote:Were I scum and you town, my correct move is to continue doing what I am doing, or even allow a no elimination, shoot you tonight, and your reads would be forgotten by 2 days from now.

i find it hard to believe that scum you would just ignore me.

LLD wrote:True or False?

i guess true? but it still doesnt necessarily mean that gamma is going to make optimal decisions as scum in that position. why does scum have to make good decisions under pressure?

I'm going to take a shower.

Hopefully some of you can piece together the logical string I have laid out here and come to the same conclusion I have.

I have no objections to a kaz wagon today.

We have the time to use an extra night phase at one point in this game. IMO it can be better to get more night actions before the other tprs have to out.

Both are fine though.

I really don't think Kaz is scum and that's another why I think Gamma is full of it.

gamma is also refusing to vote for kazyan which plays directly against your theory that he isnt playing in a way that would buy him more than a day as mafia here.

In post 2627, Gorkington wrote:

In post 2618, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:Because there were better options that buy him more than a day as scum and don't tie him into the Unwnd/Worst skepticism.

this is entirely contingent upon us flipping kazyan now and the worst dying at night. he would buy more than a night in the scenario that we no lim.
this is also entirely dependent on the notion that someone who is being hard pushed all of a sudden is inherently going to come up with a good claim.
ie: dgb signature, etc.

LLD wrote:Further, you're not threatening to me, because I'm not on the chopping block today.

in another parallel universe where im feeling good my response to this would be "i love a good challenge".
i dont really see why you think youre in a particularly safe position right now.

LLD wrote:Were I scum and you town, my correct move is to continue doing what I am doing, or even allow a no elimination, shoot you tonight, and your reads would be forgotten by 2 days from now.

i find it hard to believe that scum you would just ignore me.

LLD wrote:True or False?

i guess true? but it still doesnt necessarily mean that gamma is going to make optimal decisions as scum in that position. why does scum have to make good decisions under pressure?

In order:

DGB's signature is something that is useful, but as it turns out, Gamma's claim is complete, has versimilitude and cognitive consistency with his beliefs from yesterday and is a very terrbile fake claim for mechanical reasons, not panic reasons.

If you think you can kill me today, I encourage you to go for it. Perhaps a little bit of tactical evidence that the mountain of no eliminators are barely moving would show you why this logic of yours is bad.

You really don't understand how I play scum if you think I am above ignoring and then killing you if I feel you're a threat.

Gamma wasn't under pressure, Gamma had all the time in the world to craft a fake claim and came back with the one he did. I recognize that scum CAN make mistakes, but this feels like too big of a mistake, at too big of a time, that would have been pointed out to him in a scum QT or even noticed by him before claiming it.

I'm saying that with the cirucmstances, Gamma didn't chose those names as a mistake from a draw. It was a conscious choice and I don't get why scum makes that choice. It makes no sense.

In post 2631, Gorkington wrote:gamma is also refusing to vote for kazyan which plays directly against your theory that he isnt playing in a way that would buy him more than a day as mafia here.

Note that I am interrogating Gamma about this.

In post 2630, unwnd wrote:I really don't think Kaz is scum and that's another why I think Gamma is full of it.

I just can't see Gamma making those two names his claim. There's no absurdist hiding spot here. Any other pair would have been better!

VOTE: no elim
I haven’t seen much in favor of House and mcat as targets but there hasn’t been much opposition either.
I would rather no elim vs. yeeting kaz because if one of my existing results flips green (which I very much expect to happen with a kaz yeet) I feel like tw is not gonna be on me in that case, and I’d like to try and make sure scum have to give up some ground here if tw is town. I would supporting yeeting Meg if we’re yeeting outside me/kaz/unwnd because I feel like she’s gonna be a slot I’m paranoid about going forward and I can’t tell who tf her buddies could be past vague concepts. She was acting very partnery with loftwing but LLD feels super-genuine. I don’t feel good about any of the people in her TRs in the ro3 post I mentioned other than Dann slightly, and it’s not enough to make him a useable anchor. The only action I could see working there is Gork+Meg.

I don’t know how well this is going to go over but I’m going through with it.
, which alters were fronting for TENET and for WSB? I feel like my ability to read you might be dependent on that factor, as you pretty effectively snowed me in TENET but I latched onto a pretty solid gut ping that ended up correct in WSB.

Sorry, I suppose "The Worst and Unwnd are unaligned" is worse. Just barely.

Yes but if my intuition is right on Kaz all Gamma will do is go 'see I told you unwnd is scum' and claim roleblock.

I have ESP.

In post 2637, unwnd wrote:Yes but if my intuition is right on Kaz all Gamma will do is go 'see I told you unwnd is scum' and claim roleblock.

I have ESP.

I promise you that if Kaz flips town and Gamma provides no results?

I'm killing Gamma tomorrow.

Gamma the fact you cant figure out who my partners are may be because I don't have any.

Why the fuck does Gamma want a no lim honestly? Like, it makes sense for me. It doesn't make sense for him.

You have results between two players. I was fine with the spiel of 'no ur scum' towards me but even if you can't get me like. Choose the 2nd option? Confirm your results especially on evens.

Duckie I don't want you to be silent here.

Do you still think it's Gamma/LLD? That was your main push D1.

Like, I don’t feel averse to getting limmed tomorrow if I can help further sort out the PoE with my flip. But I think the best way to ensure tw targets me tonight is to take a course of action today that doesn’t put me in a bad spot. I feel like the level of volume I’ve seen regarding “flip kaz and then gamma” is making it rather unlikely tw targets me in that universe. Now, if someone, most likely LLD, can actually write out the logic that leads to Kazyan being the most likely scum in the three, maybe my vibe read will change.

Kaz have you ever rolled scum once. I feel like I asked this before.

In post 2632, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:You really don't understand how I play scum if you think I am above ignoring and then killing you if I feel you're a threat.

maybe you dont see me as a threat, but i think its extremely probable that scumYou thinks that you can use me as a springboard for content.

im probably doing more harm than good if i am right by pushing this in terms of giving you a chance to get back into this game and my track record of convincing anyone about anything in this game.
but im not going to just pretend to not have a read on the gamestate if i have it.

p-edit: kaz has a scumgame on-site.

In post 2642, Gamma Emerald wrote:Like, I don’t entirely feel averse to getting limmed tomorrow if I can help further sort out the PoE with my flip

this is an absolutely bizarre stance

I found it.

I don't like assuming people are in a box and can't develop, but from my perspective Kaz has more experience being town. They only have one game as scum and looking at that ISO compared to this one is vastly different.

Gamma wants to be limmed but not shot at night?

But why?

In post 2646, unwnd wrote:They only have one game as scum and looking at that ISO compared to this one is vastly different.

can you articulate this in more depth?

I am like.

1000% Confident that Kaz is not scum.

They're beaming me if they are.

I know I am town.

Gamma must be lying.