Boost Mafia 2 (Game Over)

[Patrick]

Votecount

Mufasa (6) -- semioldguy, populartajo, Papa Zito, BloodCovenent, Kise, MissTake
ConsonantM (5) -- Kmd4390, OhGodMyLife, cateraction, millar13, Empking
semioldguy (1) -- ConsonantM
Wiirdo (1) -- Sir Tornado
cateraction (1) -- Sajin

Not voting: Wiirdo, Porochaz, Mufasa, zwetschenwasser
18 alive, 10 to lynch.

Boosting

OhGodMyLife (2) -- Sir Tornado, Porochaz
Kmd4390 (9) -- Empking, OhGodMyLife, BloodCovenent, Papa Zito, cateraction, MissTake, zwetschenwasser, millar13, Porochaz
populartajo (5) -- Empking, ConsonantM, Sajin, Kise, Papa Zito
Sir Tornado (6) -- Empking, OhGodMyLife, Mufasa, Kmd4390, BloodCovenent, Porochaz
Papa Zito (7) -- ConsonantM, Kmd4390, Wiirdo, Sajin, Kise, MissTake, zwetschenwasser
Sajin (7) -- Kise, Wiirdo, Papa Zito, millar13, ConsonantM, cateraction, populartajo
zwetschenwasser (1) -- Mufasa
Porochaz (1) -- Sir Tornado
cateraction (1) -- Wiirdo
BloodCovenent (1) -- cateraction
ConsonantM (1) -- populartajo
MissTake (1) -- Kmd4390
Mufasa (1) -- OhGodMyLife

[Papa Zito]

First of all: Slayer's gambit

Yes, the Mufasa wagon sucks hard. It sucks because nobody's playing the damn game.

@Misstake: I'm not pushing his lynch, I'm pushing his wagon. We need some movement in this game. There's no way we get anywhere if everyone just sits on their hands.

OGML post was fail and Emp is buddying.

[zwetschenwasser]

Ohgod not that WIFOM crap (even though I did pull that as town once).

[OhGodMyLife]

@OGML - You trust MUFASA with the boost more than Zito? Did you not read the man's analysis's??

I trust that Mufasa is town more than I trust that Zito is town. That is all there is to it.

Zito, why are you referencing the so-called Slayer's Gambit? (For reference, I was actually

in

the game where the "Slayer's Gambit" originated, and let me tell you, intentionally sucking has absolutely no value in finding scum.)

And no, Zito, the reason that the Mufasa wagon sucks is because it is not on scum, and mindlessly pushing it for the sake of growing the wagon or inciting movement in the game but not for the sake of an actual lynch is a giant waste of your time. If you're not trying to get Mufasa lynched, stop telling people to vote him. If you are trying to get him lynched, do a better job of explaining to me why he should be lynched. So far all I see is a sloppy player getting bandwagoned for the sake of a bandwagon, which is not going to help anyone.

ConsM is legitimately scummy, Kmd has explained why in clear terms, we have our lynch today gentlemen, lets move it along.

[Patrick]

Note: minor rule change on rule 2 of the standard ruleset. This isn't due to anything that's happened here.

[Mufasa]

Thank you OGML for backing me on this one. I really find that I can pinpoint at least one scum by my gameplay, (which is hardly anything), Scum tend to push really hard against easy lynches in this case I find PapaZito pushing hard for my lynch, which causes reason for concern.

vote: PapaZito

[Papa Zito]

Zito, why are you referencing the so-called Slayer's Gambit? (For reference, I was actually

in

the game where the "Slayer's Gambit" originated, and let me tell you, intentionally sucking has absolutely no value in finding scum.)

It's ConsonantM's standard MO. He's a null read to me thus far since he's basically just going berserk.

And no, Zito, the reason that the Mufasa wagon sucks is because it is not on scum, and mindlessly pushing it for the sake of growing the wagon or inciting movement in the game but not for the sake of an actual lynch is a giant waste of your time. If you're not trying to get Mufasa lynched, stop telling people to vote him.

Disagree.

If you are trying to get him lynched, do a better job of explaining to me why he should be lynched. So far all I see is a sloppy player getting bandwagoned for the sake of a bandwagon, which is not going to help anyone. ConsM is legitimately scummy, Kmd has explained why in clear terms, we have our lynch today gentlemen, lets move it along.

Mufasa is the scummiest to me so far, with Wiirdo a close second, but there's been so little real solid content this game that I can't out-and-out call either one of them scum. So I don't want him lynched, but I

do

want him pressured.

Incidentally, why would you trust a boost to a player that you admit is sloppy?

[populartajo]

sup people

rereading now

[OhGodMyLife]

I would rather have a sloppy player that I am sure is town boosted than a careful player who I'm not sure is town boosted. My boosts are currently on the two players who I am virtually sure are town (Mufasa and Kmd), and my third remains on Sir T, whose abilities I'm confident in, I haven't seen anything scummy from, and most importantly who already has a large boostwagon which I don't want to deflate.

[Kise]

I'm not fond of Cons after his latest post, but when Mufasa voted for Cons last week, it was for a horrible reason. Mufasa does not come across as defo-town to me. OGML, just to prove to me & others that Mufasa's lynch would be a waste of our time, enlighten us as to how you can be so 'virtually sure' Mufasa is pro-town?

[semioldguy]

Prod received. Rereading and I will try to get a post up by tonight, or sometime tomorrow if not tonight.

[Kise]

M called you a lurker. True or false?

[populartajo]

OGML, Poro, KMD and anyone that thinks Consonatm is prob scum.

Please point me why do you think the consonant lynch today is a good option because Im clearly not seeing it.

I have meta to back up that this is at least neutral behavior in Consonant. I would even dare to say that this is a very very likely behavior coming from town Mastin.

Also, please, do I have to explain why the following quote is a terrible vote?

wow I am in two games with mastin at the same time... first off I find his play very distracting, and yes papa zito wagons on him are useless, unless the wagon is to lynch him of course. However, he plays this way all the time, so never anything that can be drawn from the format of his posting.

Vote: ConstantM

For his lack of ability of making a post that doesn't contain more than one quote per a sentence, and his unanswered question to being the alt of Mastin.

Really Im having a big trouble understanding people that think that Mufasa is less scummy than Consonant. His last Zito vote is terrible. I dont find anything that makes me think he is prob town.

Zito is still neutral leaening town. Sajin is obv town. Consonant is very likely town and his wagon is a joke. Really.

I can also support a cateraction lynch.


And as I said, Im not happy at all with a KMD boost this early. I think there are fairly better options at this time. Boosters, please provide reasons others than "kmd is prob town" in your next post.

Kmd4390 (9) -- Empking, OhGodMyLife, BloodCovenent, Papa Zito, cateraction, MissTake, zwetschenwasser, millar13, Porochaz

[populartajo]

Obligatory reading:

Check Mastin posts in both these games.

Mastin town
http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 36&start=0

Mastin scum
http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=11246

If you still dont see it, (or you are too lazy) then Ill share:

Mastin town is very active, is agressive, impatient and scumhunts in a way he only can. Lenghty posts. So like here. I used the same logic to clear him in that game.

Mastin scum is very paranoid, tries to be active (posting unrelated game stuff) but fails to scumhunt. Relative short posting.

So take out your own conclusions and unvote acoordingly. Mastin/Consonant is so NOT the lynch today and pretty much ever.

[populartajo]

Also, all that crap about "Im boosting him because he is a good player or becauase he hasnt still done anything scummy" is retarded as fuck.

People, the game has already started. Your boosts right now should be in people that are prob town.

Any posterior boosts that fail to follow that logic will be scummy as fuck so think or be replaced.

[Kise]

Mastin town is very active, is agressive, impatient and scumhunts in a way he only can. Lenghty posts. So like here. I used the same logic to clear him in that game.

Mastin scum is very paranoid, tries to be active (posting unrelated game stuff) but fails to scumhunt. Relative short posting.

This is why I said I trusted him for the time being. But KMD pretty much did him in with that last counter-post.

[populartajo]

Mastin town is very active, is agressive, impatient and scumhunts in a way he only can. Lenghty posts. So like here. I used the same logic to clear him in that game.

Mastin scum is very paranoid, tries to be active (posting unrelated game stuff) but fails to scumhunt. Relative short posting.

This is why I said I trusted him for the time being. But KMD pretty much did him in with that last counter-post.

why?

the thing you have to evaluate here is not that mastin is right or wrong in his suspicions or ideas. he was kinda wrong in the game i linked when he was town. the thing you have to evaluate is the motivation of why he is doing what he is doing.

[ConsonantM]

Right, so...i'm working on a post right now. Let me give u a hint as 2 how long it is:

I logged on, and after a post in 1 or 2 other threads, refreshed my tab here and started writing it.

Half-way through KMD's post 264, i had already been logged out from inactivity.

[Kmd4390]

I think I get OGML's stance on Mufasa. ConsM is pretty scummy. For Mufasa to have voted him the way he did as scum, it would have to be either bussing or voting a townie. There's just as strong a chance that Mufasa just was dumb as was Cateraction. Of course, the other option is that Mufasa is scum and ConsM is town. But it just doesn't read as bussing on Mufasa's part, so at least one of the two is town. ConsM is just so scummy that it makes Mufasa kind of townie. I wouldn't like to boost Mufasa of all people, but I think that's what OGML is getting at. Am I close, OGML?

Tajo, read me in isolation. It should be extremely clear why I am voting ConsM.

Tajo, Mastin being wordy means he is town?!? What? It's very easy to fake your own town meta if you know it. Trust me on that one.

He actually

does

seem to be posting some unrelated stuff and not scumhunting. Like I said before, he is only lurkerhunting. And he did go inactive for a little while. Ok, no short posts, but the way I see it, that's just Mastin.

I don't really have meta on him, but his behavior

is

scummy and I'm not going to trust meta that I'm not aware of to clear him.

Oh, and I'm not gonna unvote because you tell me to, kthx.

[populartajo]

Tajo, Mastin being wordy means he is town?!? What? It's very easy to fake your own town meta if you know it. Trust me on that one.

nice misrep. my point is obviously that i dont see mastinscum faking all this to prove he is town. i dont see him in the level of faking it.

I don't really have meta on him, but his behavior is scummy and I'm not going to trust meta that I'm not aware of to clear him.

i thought you played a game with him. did you read the links i provided?

Tajo, read me in isolation. It should be extremely clear why I am voting ConsM.

no it isnt. please share or point me to them.

kmd, do you think mufasa-s vote for consonant is a good vote?

[populartajo]

also, beside consonat, who do you think is scummy?

[Kmd4390]

I need to check the scum game you linked because I just can't see Mastin not being wordy.

I have been in one game with him that is ongoing. I think I was in another with him, but it was a fast game and I couldn't really keep up while he was there. No, I didn't read the links. My computer is slow, so opening them is a bitch. I'll open the scum one anyway though just to see how unwordy (is that a word?) he really is.

I already wrote a whole paragraph, I believe directed at you, on my case. Mastin responded and I countered in my last megapost.

Mufasa's reasoning behind his vote was retarded. His vote was in a good place, but no, the vote itself wasn't a good vote.

[Kmd4390]

also, beside consonat, who do you think is scummy?

Mufasa (but not connected to ConsM)
Wiirdo
Millar
Prozac (not liking him blatantly saying he didn't look for scum on his read)
Cateraction

In that order.

[Kmd4390]

Ok, his posts in that game look shorter because he didn't quote every little thing, but I don't see any more scumhunting here than I do there. And he posted plenty there. Of course it's hard to get a grasp on meta based on a game I didn't play, but I'm not seeing the difference in activity/scumhunting.

[ConsonantM]

M, what is this concern about me reacting poorly to being called a lurker? Are you speaking about my very 1st post in this thread?

U posted about bing concerned about bing called a lurker.

Just for future reference, I keep multiple tabs open. It may appear that I am online, when in fact, I am not.

Odd--i use Firefox. Whenever my browser closes, and reopens, it doesn't log me back in. And if i press log out in one of them, i am automatically logged out in all of them.

I'll be posting shortly.

Looking forward to it.

Have to deal with a few things.

Fine, just dont get too involved.

ConsM I'll reply to your post.

Yay!

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Off-topic:
Lol. Noticed Kise's sig:

cateraction: "Let's pick a wagon."

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I read my posts in isolation.. don't see where I reacted 'poorly'.

Being worried about being called a lurker seems to count.

My 1st post was a simulpost with yours, M, and you had not listed me as a lurker at the time.

...i'll go check the time stamps. (It's not standard procedure 4 me. Ask many of the ppl who kno me. :/)

So in a pre-emptive move, I posted to declare myself non-lurking, yet it ended up being posted at the same time that you did label me a lurker.

1: If so, this is still hilarious, but...
2: Y the concern in the first place? :/

Or what, u'll vote me?

I dislike the first's attacks against me, the second hasn't contributed enough and the third...well, leaning pro-town but would prefer more content.
Y these picks, Porochaz?

One long post breeds another.

Which breeds another, which is heaven for a person like Faraday.

You stated yourself that I have not seen you play before.

And then i explained y u were wrong.
Doesnt excuse u from ignoring my defense.

As you can tell, I am new to this particular board.

Yet it shouldve been painfully obvious my play's a null tell.

Your play style strikes me as particularly scummy because that is not a normal tactic.

Two words:
So. What.

Normal tactics r only normal bcause ppl liked them initially and decided 2 keep on doing them.
Eventually, they lose their taste. Become boring. Uninteresting. My tactic, normal 4 me, will eventually bcome boring and i'll move on 2 another.

It's not a scum tell. It's a null tell at worst.

If I really firmly believed that you were scum, I would have laid my vote down on you that instant.

Yet u r still making the accusation that i am scum, even if ur not voting off of it.

I'll be coming back with a more in depth look at everything tomorrow when I'm not exhausted.

Looking forward to it.

Yes master. Tomorrow. -__-

Ignoring counter-arguments is EXTREMELY scummy, about as scummy as hammering some1 w/o giving them the chance 2 post a counter-argument.

While I agree with that, I do not agree with the way that you did it.

That's the whole point--ppl will seriously suspect me bcause of the way it was done, i defend, counter-attack, we get discussion going. Thats what we're doing right now, 4 that matter.

If that is your particular play style,

It is.

that's fine;

If it's fine, then u shouldnt b making nething out of it.

that doesn't change the fact that I find it scummy.

If it is part of my playstyle (it is), then it's a null tell, hence, not scummy. (Anti-town? Sure, i can understand thinking that, tho i personally disagree. Scummy? No.)

In the matter in which you presented your question; yes, there is WIFOM.

There was no question. i stated a fact, not a question.

I believe your initial question (I'm too lazy to go back and check - correct me if I'm wrong) was why would scum want to push everyone out of RVS.

NO

!

[/i] That was the OPPOSITE of what question i had asked. I said y WOULDN'T the scum want 2 push every1 out of the RVS, essentially.

If I was willing to hop on the bandwagon at that moment I would have laid a vote down then.

And y werent u? U seemed 2 disapprove of Mufasa's play...

The 'heh' was out of disapproval.

This was not made clear.

If you my other post you would have seen that I said I think it's a little scummy that Papa Zito is pushing so hard for a Mufasa lynch.

Oh, rly? Please show me where; i have no memory of this event.

There isn't a single person in this game that is playing in a way that makes me go, "ZOMG UR SOOOO TOWN."

Which is just as bad as not having ne1 make u go "ZOMG UR SOOOO SCUM."

THEREFORE, I'm not going to lay my boost down on someone until I'm absolutely sure.

There is NO way to be ABSOLUTELY SURE some1 is town (Except for scum, of course), EVER. There r times where it is probable, but there is never any guarantee.

I fail to see how this is particularly scummy.

Not having an opinion on who is town is as bad as not having an opinion on who's scum. And that's scummy, bcause u r not giving anything 4 the rest of the town 2 work with...

If I were scum, wouldn't I be tossing around boosts all willy-nilly?

No. U'd b worried that ur boosts on pro-town players would go through, harming ur team (the scum).

AND if you happened to read my other post you would have seen that I laid boosts down on Papa Zito and KMD.

Show me where; i do not see it.

I'm a computer nerd that has bare minimum 100 tabs in Firefox running at all times. I habitually save my sessions, so any time that I open up my browser, I'm going to be logged in. Sorry.

This is NOT the way Firefox works--

Guess what?

I use Firefox, too, and Someone counted

over fifty tabs

in my session. The thing is, whenever I save and quit, when I return,

I am NOT logged back in

!

Explain THAT.

Okay, so Kise and I both boosted Papa Zito... Because, he's playing a relatively pro-town game, and we both voted Mufasa because he's been doing the complete opposite...

The fact that u both did it back 2 back, tho, is suspicious. Last time i saw that, it was the last 2 scum in the game who had done it. (Lynch All Lurkers--look at the vote count analysis by Xyl; Poptajo and Emp voted together a lot)

...Did i mention u 2 are some of my top suspects?

There haven't been too many insanely active players on this game,

Yes. Yes, there have. Look at Zito's analysis of players posting and how much they've posted--
The numbers show MANY ppl actively posting.

so we're all working with "limited suspects."

This is scummy.

We should keep eyes on ALL the players in a game, ESPECIALLY the ones posting less.

It's to be expected that some of us have the similar voting structures.

Not in my eyes.

In my eyes, it's an effective scum-catching tool 2 notice these patterns.

This is probably dangerous to say to you (XD), but elaborate.

1: What isn't dangerous to say to me?
2: More seriously, tho, i dont see y much elaboration is needed--
Zito's looking pro-town. (Then again, Zito ALWAYS looks pro-town.)

However, u--to me--were, at the time, neutral. I couldnt tell ur alignment. Now, it's worse; ur leaning towards the scum side, and r close to getting a successful boost.

What about the way you scumhunt (lurkerhunt)?

I scum hunt using everything at my disposal--
Looking at things in posts makes up the majority of my scum hunting, "lurker hunting" is just ONE of MANY tools to use in scum hunting.
What about it?
It's fine. There's nothing wrong with pointing out lurkers.

It avoids anyone who has their status on hidden and doesn't seem very accurate.

It nailed Semi, didn't it?
It made me suspicious of Kise, did it not?

It seems to work well enough. If ppl r on hidden, well, then i'll have 2 go by the Index tab of MS.net and see who's the last poster in each section of MS.net.

Semi and Kise are crap cases.

Semi
1: Lurked, with no history of having done so b4 (a HUGE scum tell),
and
2: Failed 2 respond 2 my concerns.

Kise apparently was worried about being called a lurker. Which i can definitely see scum worrying about more than town. Caution's a scum tell, u kno.

Mufasa and Wiirdo, I can agree on.

If u truly meant this, ur vote would b on 1 of them, not on me. :/

MissTake, I'm leaning town although it may be partially because I'm always suspicious of her and she's always town, so I've gotten cautious. XD

Friendship bias. Players who have played with each other in previous games are less likely to accept that player as scum.

You aren't scumclaiming, are you?

i was confused by your theoretical scenario where i am scum; ur conclusions seemed 2 b the opposite of what i'd think.

What makes you think Semi is lurking?

He logged on, 4 HOURS, and--2 my knowledge--said NOTHING. That's lurking.

Because he came online one time and didn't post?

Yes. Isnt that enough?

What about Kise's reaction was scummy?

Concern. Cation over being called a lurker.

Looking at every detail of the game,

AKA, showing scrutiny, ripping posts apart piece by piece, trying to find scum slips everywhere,

pointing out picky scummy actions by half the players in the game,

Which is the correct course of action; would u rather have me IGNORE scum tells? Yea, right.

and calling the lurkers

On players with NO PRIOR HISTORY OF LURKING, which is the correct course of action if u want 2 find scum.

of all people scum

If ppl do something scummy, they r more likely 2 b scum.

is NOT scumhunting.

Alright, then if what i am doing isn't scum hunting, if what i am doing isn't trying to find inconsistencies, trying to weed out the scum, trying to point out scummy comments, trying to point out flat-out scumslips, trying to point out voting patterns, trying to find lurkers who have no prior history of doing so...isn't scum hunting...

THEN WHAT THE FRAK IS?!?

No lynching and letting the boosted power roles do the work?

Exactly my concern.

But the thing is, ur not backing up this accusation with proof. I've stated my motivations:
Using every tool at my disposal to scum hunt.

Got a problem with that?
Then ask the scum to flat-out claim scum and give up.
More seriously, three words:
Live with it.

This is how scum r caught.

See, here's the "oh look at me, the TOWNIE" thing again.

1: Again, u deny it, but i see rolefishing.
2: I am town. If I were lynched, or night-killed, what would you do?
You'd kno my scum hunting attempts were legit.
What's the problem with stating that?
What's the problem with asking u what u'd do, then?

Not necessarily.

"Not necessarily" is NOT a denial of the fact. It is stating that it might not b 100%, but u r not stating that it isn't, now, r u?

I have seen several times where a player who is usually active lurks as town.

And goes hours w/o posting, WHILE LOGGED ON?!? <_<

In fact, this usually comes from town who has no time for the game.

If some1 doesnt have the time 2 play, THEY SHOULDNT B PLAYING AND SHOULD ASK 4 REPLACEMENT.

NOT

log on and conveniently not post newhere.

I've personally been in that situation before.

Link.

And I still don't see how Semi was lurking.

Logged on, NON STOP 4 HOURS, W/O SAYING NETHING, AND THEN DENYING HAVING BEEN ON THE WHOLE TIME. That ring any bells?
How's that NOT lurking, then lying about it?

Um. I already explained this. Townie as in town aligned. Not as in vanilla.

So u say...

Different issue if I'm not mistaken.

No. They are 1 and the same. They came from the EXACT SAME ARGUMENT that YOU made against me.

Yeah, it was the willingness to do what it takes to win thing. Something different from this..

Honestly believing that winning from a game never getting out of the RVS as scum being dirty, cheap, and practically cheating, by extent, implies that what i did was a null tell, because what i was doing was meant 2 get us out of the RVS, which u said that scum wouldnt want, at which point, i argued they would, at which point, u said it wouldnt b cheating, at which point, i said it would feel like cheating, at which point, u said it seemed like i honestly believed what i said, which implies that i honestly believe that winning a game that never leaves the RVS as scum would b practically cheating, which would mean that--even as scum--i would want 2 get out of the RVS, which would mean what i did was NOT intended 2 be pro-town, which would mean that my efforts were a null tell.

It's a huge circle of logic, sure, but it's the way i see it. U can't say that i honestly believe that winning a game that never left the RVS as scum would b a cheap, dirty tactic...without implying that i also believed my actions 2 b a null tell, because it was my intention from the actions 2 get us out of the RVS, a null tell.
And so on and so forth.

See the logic, now?

Ok, this is a deliberate TWIST OF WORDS here.

No, it is not. It is my interpretation of ur words.
There's a difference between the two.
Twisting words would b a deliberate course of action.
Interpreting them and stating said interpretation is showing u what i thought u were saying.

I said you genuinely believe that playing fair is the only satisfying way to win.

Okay, what I said:

Even if it violates your moral code?

Even if it'd be a cheap, dirty tactic?

Even if it'd be just above cheating?

No.
That's not how mafia is supposed to b played.

Mafia's full of deception, sure.
But some lines u just shouldnt cross.

And i was responding 2

Play to win. Take the win any way you can get it.

And ur response was...

ConsM, yes, anything that isn't cheating is ok in a mafia game. I've used tactics here that SA considers cheating just because they are allowed here (T/D although it failed, toxx clauses several times, etc.) You seem to honestly believe that's wrong though, so I'm willing to drop it.

If i believe that taking a win any way u can get it is wrong--which never leaving the RVS would b--then me wanting 2 get out of it would b a null tell, not a town tell, not a scum tell.

Can u see the logic behind this?

I NEVER SAID that you genuinely believe EVERYTHING that you say.

But by saying I genuinely believed part of the argument, WHICH IS RELATED TO THE OTHER PART, u r essentially saying that i genuinely believed the other part of the argument as well.

This makes no sense--
I'd say it (Getting out of the RVS) was pro-town 2 do...if i were pro-town?

That seems 2 b the opposite of the truth, in my mind.

Um? You aren't protown? Scumclaim? XD

I fail 2 see how. U said that I'd b saying that getting out of the RVS was pro-town to do if i were pro-town.
I said it seems like the opposite of the truth. My fault 4 not elaborating, in that it seems like that what would really happen is that saying it's pro-town to get out of the RVS would be the pro-scum thing to do, and not mentioning it at all would be the null to pro-town (depending on ppl's opinions) thing 2 do.

I've avoided posting in games for a few days at a time where I've been town.

U r not Semi. It is entirely possible that Semi's different, and is truly lurking as scum when having not done so as town.

If someone falls behind and is too lazy to catch up, it will happen.

THIS IS NOT THE SAME AS LURKING.
Lurking is watching the game thread, yet not posting. Being online for HOURS yet failing 2 post falls into this category.
Falling behind is falling behind, meaning that they're behind, and not up to speed. (Like a replacement, for example, is the number of pages the game is, pages behind when first starting to play.)

"You are online, not posting, a lurker, and scum. *Vote*".

1: Again, proven this false b4.
2: If i saw some1 known 4 lurking online in this game (say, Killa seven logged on but not posting if K7 was playing this game), i would point it out, but note how they're known 4 doing it and that it's a null tell. This does NOT apply to the players who i've accused of lurking.

Are you saying you are known for lurking?

HOW THE HECK DID U COME TO

THAT

CONCLUSION?!?

I said that I had proven false your assumption of my attitude,
"You are online, not posting, a lurker, and scum. *Vote*".

And then moved onto my next point, explaining how if I saw someone known for lurking who is a player in our game logged on but not posting...I'd point it out, but note that they're known for doing it, that it's a null tell, albeit anti-town.

This did NOT apply to players who I accused of lurking, because they are NOT known 4 doing it. Kise is extremely active in his games (I made the accusation, but apparently, we simulposted. :/), and Semi has no previous history of lurking. Hence, they're not a player like Killa Seven, the example given, and do not get written off, instead, get attention drawn towards them.

I saw that as the most likely way to catch scum boosting their buddy.

It seems 2 have possibly caught u...

It's been shown as false anyway, but if you want to agree with my theory and show why it's true, feel free to suspect me for having greens on me.

I do.

But how is that a scumslip?

The fact that u said that green would b most likely scum boosting their buddy, and u have TWO green on u.

Would I really go "hey guys! I'm scum with Emp and BC!"

The DEFINITION of a scum slip is something that helps reveal to the town that a player is scum, through an accidental post. Even the best players on MS.net have been known 2 scumslip. Players like DGB aren't immune to them.

No, u would not INTENTIONALLY go "hey guys! I'm scum with Emp and BC!". U might do it accidentally, via a scum slip, and this is what u appear 2 have done imo.

No. I wouldn't.

Intentionally? That's pretty much against practically any mod's rules.
Accidentally?
It's possible, via scum slips.

Because I came up with a Tajo/Sajin connection which I don't really believe too strongly,

Explain y not.

so I discredited most of it.

Y?

That's a lot of suspects...

i prefer more rather than less.

Prozac, opinions?

Y specifically Porochaz?

Kise, Tajo make sense as ConsM scumpartners.

Interesting opinion, considering how i am attacking Kise...

Sometimes, i really want 2 kill Emp IRL, 4 being Emp. Stuff like this is incredibly anti-town in nature, but, well...is just Emp. :/

I much prefer the Cons.M wagon, however whether thats because he's bugged me stupid the last 11 pages or he's actually scummy Ive yet to decide.

Say hello to scum suspect #9...

At least he redeems himself...

Still, i will b keeping my eye on Porochaz. (And a closer eye on Cateraction.)

First of all: Slayer's gambit

Hey! One of my favorite moves!

@Misstake: I'm not pushing his lynch, I'm pushing his wagon.

Uh, rnt the 2 one and the same? :/

ConsM is legitimately scummy

Early-on?
Sure; thats intentional.
Later on?
Only if u listen 2 KMD's nonsense, which i just blew full of holes.

Kmd has explained why in clear terms

And i have clearly shot that down.

Give Mufasa some credit: The reasoning is better than the last vote.
...But still not good reasoning at all, in my opinion.

since he's basically just going berserk.

Berserk? I am not a Viking. <_<

Mufasa is the scummiest to me so far, with Wiirdo a close second

Mufasa's second 2 me, Wiirdo's at 3rd.

Lurk more, Semi. It'll only confirm my suspicions of you.

A lack of response means it's true.

Consonant is very likely town and his wagon is a joke.

They seem 2 b serious, but, really, come on...

But KMD pretty much did him in with that last counter-post.

That would b due 2 the fact that u havent seen the counter-counter post. U need 2 hear both sides of the argument, u kno...

I think I get OGML's stance on Mufasa. ConsM is pretty scummy.

Add buddying to the list of accusations against KMD.

Of course, the other option is that Mufasa is scum and ConsM is town. But it just doesn't read as bussing on Mufasa's part, so at least one of the two is town. ConsM is just so scummy that it makes Mufasa kind of townie.

This is a false dilemma fallacy.

He actually does seem to be posting some unrelated stuff

You have.
Kise has.
Miss Take did a little.

Who here HASN'T posted some unrelated stuff?
Who here NEVER posts unrelated stuff in their games?

Ur lying if u answer yes 2 the second 1.

EVERY1 posts some unrelated stuff from time to time.
It's the AMOUNT that counts.

and not scumhunting.

i am doing as much scum hunting as i can without using PBPA's. Want them, even at this stage in the game? (Read: Early-on day one, from ME of all ppl.)

Like I said before, he is only lurkerhunting

And as i have countered, "lurker hunting" is only PART of scum hunting; it is also metagaming (in Semi's case) and using a classic scum tell, fear.

And he did go inactive for a little while.

Two words:
So. What?

We ALL do.

Show me a poster who doesn't have at least some bursts of inactivity and i'll be amazed. It's not a scum tell. It's a busy-with-other-matters tell, a null tell.

but his behavior is scummy

Only if ppl listen 2 what ur saying w/o listening 2 my counter-arguments.

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Caught up to Tajo's 295.