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THE POINT IS IT IS NOT CONSISTENT WITH A TOWN WHO JUST TRIED TO KILL HIM

↑ Pretentiousdra wrote:THE POINT IS IT IS NOT CONSISTENT WITH A TOWN WHO JUST TRIED TO KILL HIM

Yes. I know.

Sorry, having computer problems and internet access issues right now. I've skimmed the past 10 pages, and can see there's an issue with claims. Can somebody please summarise for me what's happened?

↑ vollkan wrote:Sorry, having computer problems and internet access issues right now. I've skimmed the past 10 pages, and can see there's an issue with claims. Can somebody please summarise for me what's happened?

It's best if you read it yourself, but here are the facts. I'll leave the nuance to you.

-DW claims not to have seen SPB's Dreaming God claim during D1 (posted in the hydra QT made public).
-DW counterclaims Dreaming God.
-SPBs claims a watch on Pdra N2, won't say what results were
-DW claims a watch on Wyrd N2, says nobody visited Wyrd.
-DW claimed D1 that Ythan was probs town.
-DW later claims that N1 he used an ability on Ythan that he thought would kill him.

↑ Kawaii wrote:

↑ Kawaii wrote:

@Mods: Theoretically, any abilities dreaming gods have would have been determined PRIOR to the game, not during the game, correct? (as in, was determined in advance that ability 1 does A, and ability 2 does B)

↑ Zoidberg wrote:

↑ vollkan wrote:Sorry, having computer problems and internet access issues right now. I've skimmed the past 10 pages, and can see there's an issue with claims. Can somebody please summarise for me what's happened?

It's best if you read it yourself, but here are the facts. I'll leave the nuance to you.

-DW claims not to have seen SPB's Dreaming God claim during D1 (posted in the hydra QT made public).
-DW counterclaims Dreaming God.
-SPBs claims a watch on Pdra N2, won't say what results were
-DW claims a watch on Wyrd N2, says nobody visited Wyrd.
-DW claimed D1 that Ythan was probs town.
-DW later claims that N1 he used an ability on Ythan that he thought would kill him.

Aren't those last two directly contradictory?

↑ Kawaii wrote:

↑ DeltaWave wrote:My flavor is that I'm literally God and I have a Zune that contains seventeen Elton John songs. I can force one person to listen to a song each night.

N1: Targeted Ythan with "I Feel Like a Bullet (In the Gun of Robert Ford)" because it sounded like it would kill him.

You tell us you wanted to kill ythan to sound like you were never on his side... why no bullet for om, od, js or pdra? Where'd the ythan hate begin? I dont see it in thread, not the slightest push.

yep...there you go. I really wanted DW to be scum (probs cause im just biased for Matt) and this is pretty good evidence that he is.

VOTE: DeltaWave

Because I decided that someone was scum over the night phase, that means I'm scum?

Let me guess, Trollie is scum along with SPB.

I'll be pretty busy all day so if I do get lynched, then I expect SPB to be dead within an hour on the next day.

↑ Zoidberg wrote:
-DW claimed D1 that Ythan was probs town.
-DW later claims that N1 he used an ability on Ythan that he thought would kill him.

Yeah, I said that Ythan was town in my which was made

I used an ability that I thought would kill him during the night phase.

Do you realize how absolutely retarded this argument is? "He claimed D1 that Ythan was town and then tried to kill him in the night herp derp inconsistency" is just bullshit since it omits the but you try to play it off like it happened one after the other. That's a colossal misrep.

VOTE: SPB

I'm heading out now, so keep this in mind: if I'm lying about SPB, then that will be obvious if we lynch SPB and he flips town. Killing SPB is the right move here.

I'm not scum: at the start of this day, I was nowhere near getting lynched. I don't think I had even more than a vote or two on me since Day 1 (not going to check). You think I would give that up just to suicide on SPB and get 1 town for 1 scum? I could see that being plausible if I was under mega-suspicion and it looked like I was going to die anyway, but it makes no sense under these circumstances.

Also, keep in mind that zoraster's flavor confirms mine. If I flip scum, then that means Zor would be probably be scum with me. There's probably not more than 4 mafia in this game, so do you really think that I would out the entire scum-team just to kill SPB?

I have a feeling that town is going to lobotomize themselves anyway, but I might as well throw it out there. If you want to ignore all of the above because "omg delta said ythan was town but changed his mind two weeks later, let's hold him to his very first reads of the game forever" or "herp derp delta was happy that his 100% super strong gut read was right so let's lynch him" (in relation to my comment about hoping to kill Ythan), then fine. It's just idiotic and hurts the town to ignore all reason and try to hop on ridiculous "scumslips."

I understand that Special Dan is still butthurt from an argument we had D1 but that doesn't excuse the rest of you.

DW is totally town.

Like, seriously. Totally town.

UNVOTE:

I'm the one trying to save you numbskull.

I need to talk to hydra buddies sometime today so wait warmly.

sorry dan

I had a dream that DW was scum ._.

Well delta, not all gambits are destined to work...As for pressure today, there was myself and kat who brought you up, maybe more, and as I said you had to counterclaim spb now or never. It's weird you were skeptical he could be watcher...We can all see you called ythan town early in the game, BUT you never made mention of him being scum despite wanting to kill him. I know you weren't nervous that ythan would chew you out (?) since some of your posts show confidence when making cases against others. So how long were you going to keep this secret suspicion of ythan? And again, what made him more kill-worthy than your other 4 suspects? It sounds like Jacob would have been the guy you put a bullet in, but thats just what I would have done as townyou.

↑ DeltaWave wrote:I've had a gut scum read on Ythan for a while. Glad to see some confirmation of that.

VOTE: Ythan

I'll give you this. But still, questions in above post regarding your choice of vigging.

↑ DeltaWave wrote:N1: Targeted Ythan with "I Feel Like a Bullet (In the Gun of Robert Ford)" because it sounded like it would kill him.

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↑ Kawaii wrote:Well delta, not all gambits are destined to work...As for pressure today, there was myself and kat who brought you up, maybe more, and as I said you had to counterclaim spb now or never. It's weird you were skeptical he could be watcher...We can all see you called ythan town early in the game, BUT you never made mention of him being scum despite wanting to kill him. I know you weren't nervous that ythan would chew you out (?) since some of your posts show confidence when making cases against others. So how long were you going to keep this secret suspicion of ythan? And again, what made him more kill-worthy than your other 4 suspects? It sounds like Jacob would have been the guy you put a bullet in, but thats just what I would have done as townyou.

My read on Ythan was purely a gut read, so I felt like arguing it would be a waste of time considering that I thought (hoped) I could kill him at night.

It turns out that the songs apparently have nothing to do with the ability they're associated with. Too bad.

DGB read on SPB?

Would really love to just lynch her and work out these two tomorrow... but even then, don't think both are town (2 protown watches in a single night is broken as fuck)

This push on DW is ridiculous.

I hate you all.

I mean I shouldn't make it to LYLO, but I'm town. So I'm not saying you shouldn't lynch me per se, but it would probably be better to lynch scum.

I mean look, as it's been said already two dreaming gods that can both watch the same night is op. The chances that both of these guys are town is slim to none.

DW is town. Therefore SPB is scum.

If we aren't going to lynch SPB then TBM would be a nice secondary lynch.

I actually agree with whatever Phydra head noticed this:

↑ Pretentiousdra wrote:there is literally no way [DW] does not hang today, not after [DW's] HOWD YOU SLEEP YTHAN on day 2

Delta's explanation that his Ythan attitude changed during N1 doesn't jive with this. This was after N1.

His D2 post don't make it sound like he just tried to kill Ythan. Also, it looks like DeltaWave mostly focused on JacobSavage after my D1 twilight spec at the start of D2 (see below):