OK. Random-wise, you're right, it doesn't make sense except I suspect certain people being Town. Now, 11 players out of 20, 1 being scum...isn't rubbish, actually. That said, I did find some things in the ISOs.In post 2873, orcinus_theoriginal wrote:But I saw your post and realized that your reasoning doesn't actually make sense wrt POE in 2 wagon.
Bummer- part of me was looking forward to killing jiffy tonight.Cabd wrote:Sorry nacho, but depending on how things play out today I might start shipping Mollie-Andy
Ask of me, and I shall follow thee.In post 2834, Nachomamma8 wrote:don't you talk like this to me andyloveIn post 2832, Andrius wrote:No one can come between us. <3
Wait what's with the sudden AJ wagon?
Did I miss some important information?
don't you dare talk to me like this
I am so jealous.In post 2867, Ghostlin wrote:..Um, now you're what the fucking me. No, literally, you're dropping acid..In post 2865, orcinus_theoriginal wrote:You are an idiot for claiming and your anger looks incredibly untownie
Ghostlin and I are neighbors
I didn't even barely softclaim that; you presumed I was talking about you.
How, I might as well fucking confirm it. We are fucking neighbors.
In post 2788, Sajin wrote:Venmar.... really really likes waffles. I will decide on his alignment when I get a better answer to my concerns yesterday than "I answered it already"
No, roughly 15 posts, only night talk.In post 2876, Sajin wrote:I picture a 50 foot wall between these 2 houses complete with spiked fences. Do you know anything else about each other besides that the other is your neighbor? Yes or no is fine.
Also how long is your conversation (post count of your quicktopic, or length)
Are you day neighbors? Or just night?
My reads are VERY consistent actually. Well, except for you of course, you're actually town.In post 2879, Sajin wrote:In post 2788, Sajin wrote:Venmar.... really really likes waffles. I will decide on his alignment when I get a better answer to my concerns yesterday than "I answered it already"
Here I think.In post 2564, Venmar wrote:- No, it's nitpicking, and your reasoning is incredibly stretched to say the least.In post 2559, Sajin wrote:It is a proper reasoned accusation. What is the point of your post? If you disagree with what I said, say so and explain.In post 2558, Venmar wrote:- Lol wtf is this.In post 2552, Sajin wrote:@Venmar- Have a spine please. If it is a gut feeling and you felt like posting about it, it must be because you were trying to convince someone else of your position. Yet you have nothing to backup your position. This earns scum points from me.
Okay but a case that is built with the mindset of POE in a random 11 person sample doesn't sit right with me. I for one think it completely possible that no scum were on the wagon. Not likely but certainly possible.In post 2875, Ghostlin wrote:OK. Random-wise, you're right, it doesn't make sense except I suspect certain people being Town. Now, 11 players out of 20, 1 being scum...isn't rubbish, actually. That said, I did find some things in the ISOs.In post 2873, orcinus_theoriginal wrote:But I saw your post and realized that your reasoning doesn't actually make sense wrt POE in 2 wagon.
Although not Venmar's ISO, because don'tfuckingcare didn't really fucking care.
it's the majority of my townblockIn post 2855, Andrius wrote:...wagon requires 11/20 players.
Good chance that in HALF the playerlist, there's at least ONE scum.
I have been, for the most part. I've been using it to widen my net--or more to the point, who's been eluding my focus up until now that we have a flip.In post 2884, orcinus_theoriginal wrote:Okay but a case that is built with the mindset of POE in a random 11 person sample doesn't sit right with me. I for one think it completely possible that no scum were on the wagon. Not likely but certainly possible.In post 2875, Ghostlin wrote:OK. Random-wise, you're right, it doesn't make sense except I suspect certain people being Town. Now, 11 players out of 20, 1 being scum...isn't rubbish, actually. That said, I did find some things in the ISOs.In post 2873, orcinus_theoriginal wrote:But I saw your post and realized that your reasoning doesn't actually make sense wrt POE in 2 wagon.
Although not Venmar's ISO, because don'tfuckingcare didn't really fucking care.
I think you should scumhunt without using that as your starting point
It's not abrasive in a town way thoIn post 2788, Sajin wrote:What you are reading is how abrasive my playstyle can be and because it is different than how the average player plays town you assume he must but be opposite of what the average player is (town) and is therefore scum. If that is correct, then please talk to nacho or someone else and get a reason from them. If that is not correct, feel free to ask me some questions.
In post 774, Aj The Epic wrote:Besides a lot of the content is fickle as all hell?In post 740, BROseidon wrote:Also not a fan of TD for reasons that have been stated already, but also kind of iffy on AJ for tunneling TD so hard. Both are scummy, but they probs aren't scum together. AJ, do you have thoughts about the rest of what has been going on?
You have a town v town when Mollie first brings her hydra in against 2.
Nacho is the town-Venmar this game.
Orcinus is running in fucking circles at the moment. Varsoon is running in ovals. Varsoon was way too quick to back off his case for Orc, but even stranger is that Orc didn't hammer on Varsoon for completely disregarding orc after about 4 posts (even though he went through all that trouble for an incredibly long wall). Even worse, Orc backs off his own vote.
To be honest, I've learned from past that orc can have his say, but don't give him too much weight. It can result in catastrophe. So even considering him a 'town leader' (What, by posts? Definitely not by flips...) is presumptuous, Varsoon.
Mac is his general passive self, but that's not going to help this day.
Sven can easily be any allignment he wants to be. Give me the guilty results I want as a tracker and I'll consider your claim legitimate... Maybe. A miller doesn't usually have a secondary role. It sounds like a bail out of a wagon.
Town: 2, B&B, Nacho, BRO, Andrius, GIF
Scum: TD, prob-sven, lean varsoon, lesser lean orc.
In post 1291, Aj The Epic wrote:Varsoon is just an odd person to read. For a while, it looked like he was being legitimately scummy (especially when he made that long case against orc and immediately unvoted), but then it was let on that he has a slight troll streak going. Reading his posts as an intent to troll makes more sense anyways.
I WANT to call orc scum, but he's just a general AtE player. I dislike his constant use of emotion, but that's more standard. His MS voting at the beginning was awful and his attacking Varsoon was backed off too early when he should've pressed forward. But otherwise, there's been nothing to give me more than casual passing glances of suspicion.
2 is much more interesting. I've liked Buldermar's posting, but fferyllt seems scummy. Fferyllt asks a lot of questions and seems more or less passive and under the radar while Buldermar goes out and tries to push points. Just by their style, Buldermar makes statements to prove points, FF asks questions as a way of hunting, but doesn't push it beyond. Buldermar attacks, no matter how he makes others feel. Surprisingly, when FF comes on and sees tmt's reads, she doesn't mention anything to it in her quote other than it's 'good to see him posting'. The "That's all but a confirmed slot" from FF, even off of meta is bad. Something is rotten in the state of Xenoblade, and I think FF may not be hiding it all that well.
p-edit: Stop it, stop it, stop it... I want to post!
Exactly. Though a bit premature, I probably would've made a better n1 vig kill.In post 2790, Nachomamma8 wrote:miller killIn post 2782, BeautyAndTheBeast wrote:mac was town
if that was a vig shooting then they are confirmed retarded
I am somewhat between accepting my fate and terribly insulted you think my scum game is this easy to poke out.In post 2808, Cabd wrote:
These make me like key as scum too.
And this one all but sells it once AJ flips scum (cuz he will):
It'll show through from noob-scum, but as you're scum longer, you learn to control these gambits a little more. But I actually believe that paranoid is not the correct word... "Overthinkers" are the ones to do this.In post 2843, Nachomamma8 wrote:Interesting. I find paranoid players are more creative as scum; the paranoia itself takes a creative process and it's the centerpiece of their towngame, so they tend to gambit a bit more as scum. But this theory is not properly fleshed out yet, but. There you go. I'm going to be looking and that paranoia and diving into it, and if it's good, we're good.
Just off-hand, who has more posts? Is it noticeable?In post 2865, orcinus_theoriginal wrote:You are an idiot for claiming and your anger looks incredibly untownie
Ghostlin and I are neighbors
This seems like a bad question to ask.In post 2866, Cabd wrote:So guys if this is in fact multiball, why the hell would either scum shoot the miller, tracker claim or no? Isn't that better to leave to much later? I mean there's so many juicy obvtown targets and they chose the miller?
Do you have a reason for this? Nacho gave a good argument for townRach.
Talking about the kill done at night does nothing but create unnecessary WIFOM (particularly Day 2, with no other associations). Sometimes mafia will kill players you don't expect to manufacture this WIFOM.In post 2893, Cabd wrote:Bad question or not, I'm confused and it would really be nice if somebody would put on an IC hat for a second and explain it.
I think we should at least look and see and talk about who might have been distancing/having ties to 2 after the lynch. As much as I'd love to lynch MS, TMT and Ven/don'tfuckingcare and SAD's not rocking me as well, it's not VERY possible all of them are scum, and it'd be a fascinating thing that if even two of those were scum in general.In post 2885, Nachomamma8 wrote:it's the majority of my townblockIn post 2855, Andrius wrote:...wagon requires 11/20 players.
Good chance that in HALF the playerlist, there's at least ONE scum.
let's not hunt off the wagon today, okay?
In general yes I get that, but I mean in this case it helps determine if we have multiball or not, soooo....In post 2894, Ghostlin wrote:Talking about the kill done at night does nothing but create unnecessary WIFOM (particularly Day 2, with no other associations). Sometimes mafia will kill players you don't expect to manufacture this WIFOM.In post 2893, Cabd wrote:Bad question or not, I'm confused and it would really be nice if somebody would put on an IC hat for a second and explain it.
Now, there are a number of players already guilty of this, including myself; but that's the general reason why not.
Well first of all I really didn't like his exchange with Sajin. It felt like he was just attacking him due to OMGUS from this. But I really didn't like the way Venmar just came in here today and called Sajin town. It just feels so... off. Especially since he was angry yesterday, voted him, then all he really said about him is that he'll be revisiting him. So to answer someone's question of "Why is Sajin town again?" with almost like "because he is" is... weird. The response is not really adding up with someone who had a suspicion of himIn post 2892, BROseidon wrote:Arthur can you say why you think Venmar is scum?
Which if that was a shot from a 1 time Vig, we won't be able to determine until tomorrow. SK is also still an option.In post 2896, Cabd wrote:In general yes I get that, but I mean in this case it helps determine if we have multiball or not, soooo....In post 2894, Ghostlin wrote:Talking about the kill done at night does nothing but create unnecessary WIFOM (particularly Day 2, with no other associations). Sometimes mafia will kill players you don't expect to manufacture this WIFOM.In post 2893, Cabd wrote:Bad question or not, I'm confused and it would really be nice if somebody would put on an IC hat for a second and explain it.
Now, there are a number of players already guilty of this, including myself; but that's the general reason why not.