Posted: Mon Dec 14, 2020 2:58 am
oh i see
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Posted: Mon Dec 14, 2020 2:58 am
who's your (strong?) townreads rn IV
Posted: Mon Dec 14, 2020 2:59 am
Votecount 4.0
Iconeum (0)
Gamma Emerald (1) : Dunnstral
petapan (0)
DeasVail (0)
midwaybear (0)
Dunnstral (0)
innocentvillager (0)
Not Voting (6) : Iconeum ; Gamma Emerald ; petapan ; DeasVail ; midwaybear ; innocentvillager
With 7 players alive, it takes 54 votes to throw someone into a huge fucking pit, Deadline ends in (expired on 2020-12-18 05:41:36)
Spoiler:
Posted: Mon Dec 14, 2020 2:59 am
Prodding Petapan
Posted: Mon Dec 14, 2020 3:00 am
my solve has been dv/gamma/mwb since n3 after swapping you for mwb and it hasn't really changed since
my confidence in this has wavered over time
my strongish townreads have been petapan then dunnstral
and i think you're town but if we get there id like to leave that to f3
my confidence in this has wavered over time
my strongish townreads have been petapan then dunnstral
and i think you're town but if we get there id like to leave that to f3
Posted: Mon Dec 14, 2020 3:02 am
i think it is clear that gamma has no intention of proactively trying to get himself out of the elim
i think it's pretty likely that he's basically resigned himself/given up
question is:
is it defeated town who is burnt out by this game and just wants it to be over with?
defeated scum because we are on the right track?
defeated scum but doesn't give a fuck because we are not on the right track?
i think it's pretty likely that he's basically resigned himself/given up
question is:
is it defeated town who is burnt out by this game and just wants it to be over with?
defeated scum because we are on the right track?
defeated scum but doesn't give a fuck because we are not on the right track?
Posted: Mon Dec 14, 2020 3:05 am
i am leaning towards not the first one, especially because gamma has mostly been on the sidelines this game
which makes me go, okay, gamma is probably scum
at this point, maybe scumteam is banking on their other member(s) to finish it up, and that could explain the lack of action from other slots and just gamma as the universal scumread
if you are arguing scmteam doesn't bus here, your narrative of dunnstral/dv/mwb would suggest 2 out of 3 of them decided to LOLbuss DV over Albert yesterday, so clearly they are okay with bussing
which makes me go, okay, gamma is probably scum
at this point, maybe scumteam is banking on their other member(s) to finish it up, and that could explain the lack of action from other slots and just gamma as the universal scumread
if you are arguing scmteam doesn't bus here, your narrative of dunnstral/dv/mwb would suggest 2 out of 3 of them decided to LOLbuss DV over Albert yesterday, so clearly they are okay with bussing
Posted: Mon Dec 14, 2020 3:07 am
In post 2835, Iconeum wrote:are 2 out of 3 scum really gonna be bussing their partner when there's a competing town wagon available is what i'm wondering here
(DV v ABR previous day)
both mdw and dunn were on DV, with DV being on ABR
In post 2836, Iconeum wrote:that would make a ton more sense with either of mdw or dunn being town
if there' a
and i see that you are worrying about this hereIn post 2837, Iconeum wrote:*if there's a deepwolf in peta for instance, then so be it
maybe that can be worked out with a solid flip here
but then i wonder why not apply the same bussing logic to today
Posted: Mon Dec 14, 2020 3:08 am
i don't understand why town!Gamma is saying this when he is prime suspect and posting in other games and didn't play a huge part in this gameIn post 2815, Gamma Emerald wrote:I can't really do much rn, my engines are spent and I don't have auxilary power rn
Posted: Mon Dec 14, 2020 3:15 am
here is some of Gamma Emerald's posting in a recent VT game of his
these are the last few posts they made before getting wagoned, on the day before ELo
though Gamma didn't flail around their elim in the same way that some town players have in this game (which is a small point in favor of their current posting being in their townrange), one of my takeaways (perhaps in a slightly confbiased way) is that they were more adamant about at least putting town into a good position going into ELo, and they were clearly focused on town's wincon, and at least invested it in.
Here I'm not really seeing that, posting into other games, literally going into just "ill post when the thread posts" etc, Gamma is not fighting for town wincon here, he is just posting easy answers to easy questions at him and not doing stuff unprompted. Basically I don't think Gamma gives up in this spot and that's what we've been seeing.
these are the last few posts they made before getting wagoned, on the day before ELo
though Gamma didn't flail around their elim in the same way that some town players have in this game (which is a small point in favor of their current posting being in their townrange), one of my takeaways (perhaps in a slightly confbiased way) is that they were more adamant about at least putting town into a good position going into ELo, and they were clearly focused on town's wincon, and at least invested it in.
Here I'm not really seeing that, posting into other games, literally going into just "ill post when the thread posts" etc, Gamma is not fighting for town wincon here, he is just posting easy answers to easy questions at him and not doing stuff unprompted. Basically I don't think Gamma gives up in this spot and that's what we've been seeing.
Spoiler: VT Gamma 2171 posting
Posted: Mon Dec 14, 2020 3:20 am
i'm here i've just been kind of infused with a creeping dread and paralytic indecision as i look the game over and over and get basically nowhere with it because my reads lately have been very bad
Posted: Mon Dec 14, 2020 3:27 am
In post 2717, Dunnstral wrote:I'm reading Ico, IV, peta as town here
In post 2748, Dunnstral wrote:You and peta = I have good gut feelings on today, Ico = good gut feelings on yesterday.In post 2726, innocentvillager wrote:can you elaborate on whoever you care to? especially iconeum?In post 2717, Dunnstral wrote:I'm reading Ico, IV, peta as town here
Though I'm not certain whether mwb is scum or not, so I dunno
In post 2750, Dunnstral wrote:You wouldn't react like this as townIn post 2749, Gamma Emerald wrote:lawl
In post 2756, Dunnstral wrote:Their response, and I didn't know of their pr earlierIn post 2753, petapan wrote:In post 2647, Dunnstral wrote:I forgot about IV
I think they actually look worse for defending ABR, seemed like a TMI viewpointhow did you go from thinking IV had TMI on albert to getting a good gut feeling on him today?In post 2748, Dunnstral wrote:You and peta = I have good gut feelings on today, Ico = good gut feelings on yesterday.In post 2726, innocentvillager wrote:can you elaborate on whoever you care to? especially iconeum?In post 2717, Dunnstral wrote:I'm reading Ico, IV, peta as town here
Though I'm not certain whether mwb is scum or not, so I dunno
In post 2778, Dunnstral wrote:Is this theoretical, or are you saying this is what is happening?In post 2777, Gamma Emerald wrote:Once ABR flipped the next step was to use the snapback to get DV miselimmed.
I think DV was already in a position where they were likely to be flipped next
In post 2810, Dunnstral wrote:I'd like to vote gamma today
In post 2817, Dunnstral wrote:^ for who
In post 2843, Dunnstral wrote:Me or Iconeum?In post 2840, DeasVail wrote:This makes me feel kind of nervous even though it probably shouldn’t
@Dunnstral Iconeum has a problem with you DV read evolution? I don't even seen anything in your ISO on your DV flip, why is DV no longer in your solve/how did your read change there?In post 2846, Dunnstral wrote:I could be persuaded, but I'm not convinced right now
I'm reconsidering some things. I think the scumteam is Gamma/Iconeum/Midwaybear, or something close to that. The way Iconeum has treated both of our slots today feels very agenda driven, and like he's going for the win today
Gamma has a really bad solve (me/IV/mwb) and is transparently not playing as his town self
Midwaybear is poe, but he's arguing that the team is Gamma/Ico/you, so.... this read seems dubious
I'm acknowledging that this means I've had bad reads on you, Iconeum, and maybe MWB throughout this game. I think I misunderstood something with the prs that made Iconeum seem more likely town - I didn't realize IV was also claiming a pr, and it's possible for Iconeum's role to be scum aligned even if it's true
Posted: Mon Dec 14, 2020 3:28 am
I started reconsidering things hereIn post 2649, DeasVail wrote:I'm wondering if we've both been town this whole timeIn post 2646, Dunnstral wrote:Here's the thing...In post 2645, DeasVail wrote:I'm town
I don't think midway and peta are scum together
Which means it would be to be one of those two, plus gamma, plus iconeum
And that seems less likely to me than it being you
So yes @iconeum
Posted: Mon Dec 14, 2020 3:29 am
And then I mentioned wanting Gamma today, where earlier I wanted DV
Posted: Mon Dec 14, 2020 3:31 am
sorry that was supposed to be spoilered
anyway, the people who have been coasting today are:
innocentvillager (partly on purpose)
Iconeum (not even, just V/LA)
petapan (idk, he's just been paranoia/unsure or is faking it)
Dunnstral (but this is typical NAI Dunnstral)
midwaybear - they're ready to vote/have the solve and haven't been trying to push more discussion
DeasVail - they've been coasting all game, acknowledging that they haven't really done a ton this game, but still continuing to coast
Gamma - has given up
anyway, the people who have been coasting today are:
innocentvillager (partly on purpose)
Iconeum (not even, just V/LA)
petapan (idk, he's just been paranoia/unsure or is faking it)
Dunnstral (but this is typical NAI Dunnstral)
midwaybear - they're ready to vote/have the solve and haven't been trying to push more discussion
DeasVail - they've been coasting all game, acknowledging that they haven't really done a ton this game, but still continuing to coast
Gamma - has given up
Posted: Mon Dec 14, 2020 3:32 am
you think... that is a towny line from DeasVail that made you reconsider his alignment? I found it incredibly suspicious, how they've been gunning for your slot all game, we've seen like 6 town flips, and now he thinks you might be town???In post 2887, Dunnstral wrote:I started reconsidering things hereIn post 2649, DeasVail wrote:I'm wondering if we've both been town this whole timeIn post 2646, Dunnstral wrote:Here's the thing...In post 2645, DeasVail wrote:I'm town
I don't think midway and peta are scum together
Which means it would be to be one of those two, plus gamma, plus iconeum
And that seems less likely to me than it being you
So yes @iconeum
Posted: Mon Dec 14, 2020 3:33 am
yeah reading them i think iv's points on gamma make sense, i think, and i really didn't like how gamma sort of latched on to me earlier in the day when i was paranoia-ing at iv
Posted: Mon Dec 14, 2020 3:33 am
i came to the conclusion i have 0 idea how to read dv
Posted: Mon Dec 14, 2020 3:35 am
Reconsidering things is towny, not scummyIn post 2890, innocentvillager wrote:you think... that is a towny line from DeasVail that made you reconsider his alignment? I found it incredibly suspicious, how they've been gunning for your slot all game, we've seen like 6 town flips, and now he thinks you might be town???In post 2887, Dunnstral wrote:I started reconsidering things hereIn post 2649, DeasVail wrote:I'm wondering if we've both been town this whole timeIn post 2646, Dunnstral wrote:Here's the thing...In post 2645, DeasVail wrote:I'm town
I don't think midway and peta are scum together
Which means it would be to be one of those two, plus gamma, plus iconeum
And that seems less likely to me than it being you
So yes @iconeum
I think him appealing to me as scum is less likely than him continuing to push/appealing to somebody else
Posted: Mon Dec 14, 2020 3:36 am
Tell you what, you read me, and I'll recklessly 1v1 people by placing limlo votes until we win/lose. Right now I'm on GammaIn post 2892, petapan wrote:i came to the conclusion i have 0 idea how to read dv
Posted: Mon Dec 14, 2020 3:39 am
I’m like, probably going to vote gamma emerald in the next 24-48 hours unless ico or gamma has something really cool to say about that slot
Posted: Mon Dec 14, 2020 3:40 am
Maybe he is finally realizing that you are too townread tho? And I don’t think it’s a towny reconsideration in this instance because the probability of you being scum goes UP without other information after 6 townflips, not DOWNIn post 2893, Dunnstral wrote:Reconsidering things is towny, not scummyIn post 2890, innocentvillager wrote:you think... that is a towny line from DeasVail that made you reconsider his alignment? I found it incredibly suspicious, how they've been gunning for your slot all game, we've seen like 6 town flips, and now he thinks you might be town???In post 2887, Dunnstral wrote:I started reconsidering things hereIn post 2649, DeasVail wrote:I'm wondering if we've both been town this whole timeIn post 2646, Dunnstral wrote:Here's the thing...In post 2645, DeasVail wrote:I'm town
I don't think midway and peta are scum together
Which means it would be to be one of those two, plus gamma, plus iconeum
And that seems less likely to me than it being you
So yes @iconeum
I think him appealing to me as scum is less likely than him continuing to push/appealing to somebody else
Posted: Mon Dec 14, 2020 3:41 am
If gamma flips scum and I die, are we voting Iconeum tomorrow or no?
Posted: Mon Dec 14, 2020 3:41 am
i don’t know Dunnstral
you are putting some doubt in my head about DV!scum which I was reasonably okay with for a while
you are putting some doubt in my head about DV!scum which I was reasonably okay with for a while
Posted: Mon Dec 14, 2020 3:42 am
If the only thing you are looking at is probability, sure, but they gave their reasons and they seem believableIn post 2896, innocentvillager wrote:And I don’t think it’s a towny reconsideration in this instance because the probability of you being scum goes UP without other information after 6 townflips, not DOWN