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Post Post #300 (ISO) » Wed Oct 05, 2005 4:27 am

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Slightly bigger than before
fos: MoS
and regular sized
fos: Thok
until Aelyn gets in here to confirm or otherwise screwing-up-ness.

If he didn't, the pair of you are definitely going to be looking rather scummy.
I guess this should change now ¬_¬
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Post Post #301 (ISO) » Wed Oct 05, 2005 4:36 am

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mepmuff wrote:Wow... I'm very much surprised. I was sure I'd be dead this morning.
Could I ask why you thought you would be dead this morning?
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Post Post #302 (ISO) » Wed Oct 05, 2005 4:39 am

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mepmuff wrote:Wow... I'm very much surprised. I was sure I'd be dead this morning.
Could I ask why you thought you would be dead this morning?
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Post Post #303 (ISO) » Wed Oct 05, 2005 5:25 am

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Could I ask why you thought you would be dead this morning?
For those that haven't guessed yet: I had the doc item last night. That's why I thought I'd be dead and I'm completely puzzled why the mafia didn't kill me.

That's also one of the reasons I'm so suspicious of CA. He was going so hard on his theory that the person that Gnome sent the item to must be bad as well. But his failure to follow up on that so far merits an
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I;m also very curious why people all of a sudden are against item-mass-claiming. Am I missing something? Can someone fill me in?
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Post Post #304 (ISO) » Wed Oct 05, 2005 6:51 am

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mepmuff wrote:I had the doc item last night. That's why I thought I'd be dead and I'm completely puzzled why the mafia didn't kill me.
In order to make you prime suspect for today of course. Unfortunately, WIFOM comes into play here so we can't be certain, but you have certainly gone down the order some on my list of suspects.

As for claiming or not today, I think we probably ought to, but I would like to have the MOS vs Thok situation resolved first. Thok was a special case, in that he couldn't claim properly yesterday.

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Post Post #305 (ISO) » Wed Oct 05, 2005 7:42 am

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Changling bob wrote:Slightly bigger than before
fos: MoS
and regular sized
fos: Thok
until Aelyn gets in here to confirm or otherwise screwing-up-ness.

If he didn't, the pair of you are definitely going to be looking rather scummy.
vote: Changling Bob


only scum would try to get someone lynched because the mod won't confirm a mistake in the thread. If the mod came in and admitted publicly that there was a mistake, that would basically confirm everything we've said. That's like saying you got a pm that said you were a cop, but you're actually a mason, and your partner calls you out for lying, and the mod comes into the thread and says, "No, I sent you the wrong pm, Bob. You're actually a mason." The mod isn't going to do that in front of everyone unless it's unavoidable (see dichotomafia, for example).

On a similar note, the mod HAS pmed me and clarified that it was meant that Thok didn't send any OTHER items, because the mod thought it evident that I had gotten the loudspeaker from Thok. So, it was simply a mixup between the mod and I.
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Post Post #306 (ISO) » Wed Oct 05, 2005 8:01 am

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MOS, why didn't you PM the mod first before going after me? Also you are being extremely reckless with what you are posting and voting (Please reread the instructions on the voting item). I can't tell if you are being careless or scummy.

Again, we still need a vote count.
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Post Post #307 (ISO) » Wed Oct 05, 2005 8:38 am

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Mastermind of Sin wrote:vote: Changling Bob

only scum would try to get someone lynched because the mod won't confirm a mistake in the thread. If the mod came in and admitted publicly that there was a mistake, that would basically confirm everything we've said. That's like saying you got a pm that said you were a cop, but you're actually a mason, and your partner calls you out for lying, and the mod comes into the thread and says, "No, I sent you the wrong pm, Bob. You're actually a mason." The mod isn't going to do that in front of everyone unless it's unavoidable (see dichotomafia, for example).

On a similar note, the mod HAS pmed me and clarified that it was meant that Thok didn't send any OTHER items, because the mod thought it evident that I had gotten the loudspeaker from Thok. So, it was simply a mixup between the mod and I.
Or, you could be lying about the entire thing and trying to get Thok lynched, and then failing for reason x, and coming up with a defense. As thok said, you probably should've checked before going 'ZOMG LYNCH TEH SCUM'.

As I pointed out above, claiming items
that we have now
is not in the towns best intrests, as it leads to easy taking-out of power roles by the scum tonight.
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Post Post #308 (ISO) » Wed Oct 05, 2005 8:44 am

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I think Bob is probably clear. He had the doc item night one, and I would think both the doc and cop item wouldn't start in scum hands. Why? Because the scum can just send it out and kill the holder the next night.
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Post Post #309 (ISO) » Wed Oct 05, 2005 9:10 am

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mepmuff wrote:I think Bob is probably clear. He had the doc item night one, and I would think both the doc and cop item wouldn't start in scum hands. Why? Because the scum can just send it out and kill the holder the next night.
Unless the doc item can self-protect, right? Someone out there besides mepmuff and Bob should know if it can self-protect or not (unless mepmuff passed to Bob or _Obelix_ last night). We can worry about this later.

@mepmuff - the fact that the mailman's hat could be in scum hands might mean we want to reconsider claiming (see my previous post). I'm surprised the person with the mailman's hat didn't bring this up before... *checks the thread*... Bagh, again, that was you, mepmuff (and MoS is somewhat responsible here). Also, you didn't tell me who you watched with the hat. And yesterday, I thought it was more likely that you were scum if Gnome DIDN'T turn up scum, so I'll lay off. The fact that you had the doc item makes your suspicion of me make more sense now.

I'm not sure if I buy what MoS is trying to sell here. It does look like he was trying some ploy to get Thok lynched, but he abandoned it pretty quickly. Normally, I'd just give an fos, but I also want to show Thok I can vote.
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Post Post #310 (ISO) » Wed Oct 05, 2005 9:17 am

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MOS> Aelyn wouldn't be comming in here and declaring that Thok was scum or not, he would be telling us if he did infact send out a wrong pm or not.
Another FOS: MOS


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Post Post #311 (ISO) » Thu Oct 06, 2005 3:01 am

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Nightfall wrote:MOS> Aelyn wouldn't be comming in here and declaring that Thok was scum or not, he would be telling us if he did infact send out a wrong pm or not.
Another FOS: MOS


P.S. I to am pro claiming.
For the record, I feel it is worth clarifying one point here.

If I make an error publically, I will correct it publically - in other words, if everyone is aware that I have done something, but I've done it wrong, I will correct it as soon as possible in the thread.

If I make an error privately, I will correct it privately - in other words, if there is a miscommunication or something like that, I will only inform the person with whom there was the miscommunication that there was an error and what the correct version should be.

I will always follow these rules when modding, as it seems to be the most consistent method. I'm not gonna say whether or not this applies right now, but I thought it was worth clarifying so everyone knows where they stand on the issue.
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Post Post #312 (ISO) » Thu Oct 06, 2005 3:15 am

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Votecount:

Thok – 1 (Mastermind of Sin)
Mastermind of Sin
– 2 (Thok, Commodore Amazing)
Changling Bob – 1 (Mastermind of Sin)

With 7 alive, it’s currently only 4 to lynch.
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Post Post #313 (ISO) » Thu Oct 06, 2005 3:29 am

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So... if I am taking Aelyn's comments correctly, would that mean that if the wrong results were pm'd to MOS, then MOS should now have recieved the correct results pm? If that is true, MOS, have you recieved an additional pm?
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Post Post #314 (ISO) » Thu Oct 06, 2005 4:00 am

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unvote MOS
(That's not quite what I wanted to happen with my multipost, but I guess I could see that intepretation).
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Post Post #315 (ISO) » Thu Oct 06, 2005 6:36 am

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Post by post analysis of MoS:
Usually, the mayor has two votes and/or a daykill.

vote: nightfall for stealing my intended random vote on mepmuff Sad
Clarification of possible role ability, random vote.
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I had a mailman's hat, btw.

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Out of town posts, plus day two first-day-item claim.
damnit, I'm sorry for not posting. I'll try to catch up. unvote if I had a vote.
vote: thesp
This at a time when feelings were right up against thesp.
mmmm, I love video games

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Mastermind of Sin wrote:ummm, I didn't have an item last night.

Code: Select all

Item          Night 1          Night 2 
------------------------------------------------ 
Cell Phone    Thesp            Commodore Amazing 
GameBoy     Sineish                 _Obelix_ 
Nothing         Nightfall              Nightfall/MoS
Mailman's Hat  MoS             mepmuff 
Next to claim: Thok 
Second-day-item-claim
STD didn't have the police radio night 1, because I used my mailman's hat to watch him, and he passed his item to Thok.
Wrong clarification of item held by another player. Last thing posted before today's jump on Thok.

FoS: MoS


Quite the lurker, aren't you? I admit freely that I haven't been the most prolific of players, but you've posted no content, and just tried to get someone lynched on a mistake by the mod. Admittedly you weren't aware of the mistake, but you could've checked as soon as you realised it may have been, rather than the nice big 6-in-a-row above :P.

Care to explain yourself?
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Post Post #316 (ISO) » Thu Oct 06, 2005 3:50 pm

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We might as well claiim at least who had what last night. At this point we know where three of the four items are, and we might as well know where the fourth one is.

I did some vote analysis, and noticed that MOS put the fifth vote on Thesp day 1(without any reasoning) and didn't vote MGIA yesterday. So
vote MOS
.

Incidentally, I still believe in an
FOS Sineish
; he was spewing out scum/item numbers day 1, and unvoted MGIA once the deadline hit yesterday. He also didn't question mempuff's claim of innocence in post 50, which is a mistake I feel scum is more likely to make, because they know who is actually innocent.
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Post Post #317 (ISO) » Fri Oct 07, 2005 12:49 am

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I'm surprised by all the FOS's aiming towards MoS. If MoS is so scummy, why arent'people voting him?

I'm currently not voting him because of the way he backed off Thok. I would expect scum to stick it out, especially since the item in question hasn't been held by any other live player. All the other stuff seems like decent reasons to turn on MoS though. Need to think and read it through some more.
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Post Post #318 (ISO) » Fri Oct 07, 2005 4:05 am

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Thok wrote:Incidentally, I still believe in an FOS Sineish; he was spewing out scum/item numbers day 1, and unvoted MGIA once the deadline hit yesterday.
Perhaps you had a different view of things on day 1 because, after the mass claim you
knew
there were 7 items and not 6 as I was hypothesising. It took the rest of us (well me at least), until after MGIA had been lynched to be sure that 7 was the number. The unvote was because with 5 days to go before the deadline was reached, I wanted to be sure that MGIA was the right way to go. Perhaps I should have re-voted, but I wasn't positive and 3 votes for MGIA would have been enough to lynch at deadline anyway. (This post for deadline mechanics info)

Thok wrote:He also didn't question mempuff's claim of innocence in post 50, which is a mistake I feel scum is more likely to make, because they know who is actually innocent.
Mepmuff didn't claim innocence in post 50, it was post 47. In the same post, he made the suggestion that people send items to himself and to PBuG, given that they were confirmed innocents. At that stage, I was more worried about explaining why items should
not
be sent to confirmed innocents, than I was about the claim itself. Unfortunately you seem to have stoped reading there, because if you had read on to my next post, post 54, you would have seen me be the
first
to explicitly expose mepmuff's claim as unreliable.

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Post Post #319 (ISO) » Fri Oct 07, 2005 5:10 am

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mepmuff wrote:I'm surprised by all the FOS's aiming towards MoS. If MoS is so scummy, why arent'people voting him?
I like to give people a chance to defend themselves before I vote them. I am usually a very cautious voter. However my vote is pending on him when he shows up.
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Post Post #320 (ISO) » Fri Oct 07, 2005 8:43 am

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mepmuff wrote:I'm surprised by all the FOS's aiming towards MoS. If MoS is so scummy, why arent'people voting him?
I'm waiting for a response from MOS in regards to whether he got a follow up pm from the mod saying his past item result was wrong or not.
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Post Post #321 (ISO) » Fri Oct 07, 2005 8:47 am

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We've got all the claims for yesterday, right?

Thok had the voting item, mepmuff had the doc item, and MoS had both the game boy and the mailman's hat. I think that's everything. Can someon put that in the cute little table?
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Post Post #322 (ISO) » Fri Oct 07, 2005 9:11 am

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I don't think this was the cute little table you were refering to, but oh well...

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Post Post #323 (ISO) » Fri Oct 07, 2005 9:18 am

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P.S. I just thought of this while adding to the chart, but when looking at the chart (Alone) it's looking a bit like MOS, Gnome, and Mepmuff, could be a possible 3 man team. Gnome (Scum) gave his item to Mepmuff before he was lynched, and MOS passed the mail mans hat to Mepmuff, who then passed it back to MOS. Short of Thok purposely bouncing an item off of PBug the night he killed him? (Only a theory), It's what stands out the most to me right now.

P.S.S. When looking at the list alone...that is.
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Post Post #324 (ISO) » Fri Oct 07, 2005 9:45 am

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Sineish-actually PBug was the first person to explain why the claim was wrong, in 49. You just tried to press that into a bandwagon. (Incidentally, I meant 48 rather than 50 in my original post, since I was referring to your post).

Also, you misunderstand my point about spewing numbers. You were the first person to suggest a 3 person scum group and 6 items as being reasonable; scum is more likely in general to try and suggest the size of scum groups and items in order to mislead everybody. I'm not giving you an FOS for guessing the wrong number, but rather for trying to present a guess at all.

Nightfall, MOS said he received a PM from Aelyn in 305. I'm not sure what you are waiting for.
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