A Roccisi Winter - Game Over

[Ectomancer]

Elvis and Elli lynch Cobalt please so we can end this game...

[Cobalt]

Elvis and Elli lynch Cobalt please so we can end this game...

stop posting bad posts
please post good posts

[Cobalt]

vote nico

fyi this is a good post

[Ectomancer]

You don't think Elvis is scum? You believe that of the 2 groups, that the Doc group would have the scum in it and the tracker/watcher group wouldn't?
Hrmm. Well that would bust up the "broken" setup wouldn't it? Thing is, Socrates could have dealt with me a long time ago. Why didn't he? His play doesn't make sense as scum, but does as town. The item you are missing is that my neighborhood knew about me from the very beginning. He would have

known

that as scum he had to be rid of me, and the best time for that was when Phate was on the line. He didn't do it.

Sorry, I think that Nico's role is town. I think you are scum. I think Elvis

could

be scum. As an explanation, the earlier info that took you off the top of my list was unreliable on further examination.

[Cobalt]

You don't think Elvis is scum?

no

You believe that of the 2 groups, that the Doc group would have the scum in it and the tracker/watcher group wouldn't?

Considering the proliferation of investigative roles and lack of kill sources, yes.

Thing is, Socrates could have dealt with me a long time ago. Why didn't he?

There were better mislynch targets.

The item you are missing is that my neighborhood knew about me from the very beginning. He would have

known

that as scum he had to be rid of me, and the best time for that was when Phate was on the line. He didn't do it.

So? Maybe he has other plans. Did it occur to you that scum might not agree with your definition of optimal play?

Sorry, I think that Nico's role is town. I think you are scum. I think Elvis

could

be scum. As an explanation, the earlier info that took you off the top of my list was unreliable on further examination.

Nope, pretty sure nico's scum.

[Ellibereth]

I'll vote by tomorrow, there's something I suddenly remembered that I need to find and check, and I'll be doing that tomorrow.

[Cobalt]

Ecto, why do you think elvis might be scum if you are convinced I am scum?
Nico, where are you? Why is elvis scum? Why isn't Ecto scum?

[Nicodemus]

Nico, where are you?

Here.

Why is elvis scum?

See my post 3029

Why isn't Ecto scum?

Do you mean scum as in mafia, scum as in SK, or scum as in anti-town?

[Cobalt]

Right now I am only considering ecto as SK.

[Ectomancer]

Thing is, Socrates could have dealt with me a long time ago. Why didn't he?

There were better mislynch targets.

The item you are missing is that my neighborhood knew about me from the very beginning. He would have

known

that as scum he had to be rid of me, and the best time for that was when Phate was on the line. He didn't do it.

So? Maybe he has other plans. Did it occur to you that scum might not agree with your definition of optimal play?

Now it's clear you are trying to dance around. There was never a more important target for scum to take out than me and if Socrates was scum, the entire scum team would know it.

[Ectomancer]

Ecto, why do you think elvis might be scum if you are convinced I am scum?

You play mafia don't you? You know the answer then.

[elvis_knits]

I'm sorry for not posting.

I will make a post later today. I want to look at the VC's again. I remember looking at the VC's and thinking that either tubby or Cobalt (or nico) were scum.

If you guys are really convinced Socrates/nico is town, I will vote Cobalt. Are you really really sure? And can you explain the reasoning again?

Also... I am a teensy bit concerned about the Ecto-SK possibility. How are we dealing with that?

[Ectomancer]

You lynch Ecto when we are at 3. That means we lynch one of you today and I kill another. Gives us 3 tomorrow, except I expect the game to be over by morning.

[Ellibereth]

Vote: Cobalt

[Ellibereth]

I've decided 99.999999% that Socrates is town, or the following could not be. Phate (me) would be dead.

Phate (5): tubby216, roflcopter, Adel/DGB, Socrates, San/Richard/Ellireth
HowardRoark (4): populartajo, ortolan, Plum, Cobalt
roflcopter (1): TheButtonmen
Cobalt (1): HowardRoark
Not Voting (3): Nuwen, Phate, Sopianae/elvis

This is why Soc is town.

[Ectomancer]

In case that doesn't make sense to you because Socrates is already on the wagon, his scum buddies ortolan and plum are on the Howard wagon and Nuwen is doing nothing. Ellibereth was already on the wagon so he had the backing of his neighborhood. A scum Socrates has already told his buddies about my claims and the fact that he would then control the Doc protection if I were gone.

Yes, scum may have different motivation or plans than I would, but not

that

stinking different

[elvis_knits]

Okay that was one of the wagons I was interested in.

Ecto... if socrates is town, that means the whole wagon on you there is town. So why wouldn't ANY scum hop on and kill you? I mean... if cobalt is scum, they are all hanging out on Howard, pushing a lynch no townies want (except tajo), when they could just finish you off easily. Why?

Actually, I think Howard was in my neighborhood and wasn't he a PR of some kind? Maybe Cobalt scum knew he was a PR, so the scum were pushing that? I have to look back at the QT and see if Howard had claimed to the hood.

[Ectomancer]

In this case, Cobalt is right. I dont know what scum's design was. I don't know what the mafia neighborhood ability was, but I can guess. Role Cop? It's there you know.

[elvis_knits]

But Howard was a Weak Hider... you think they're going to push that hard to kill a weak hider?

[Ellibereth]

Unvote

Elvis has a point. At school right now, will review later. (Sorry >.<)

[Ectomancer]

Elvis has a point that the scum mafia not have a Role Cop ability, not that Socrates as scum wouldn't have had his scum buddies on Phate's wagon. It doesnt change the vote Elli.

[elvis_knits]

Wait... do we know some neighborhood had a rolecop ability?

[Ectomancer]

Speculation on possible motivation on Howard. No.

[Cobalt]

Elvis has a point that the scum mafia not have a Role Cop ability, not that Socrates as scum wouldn't have had his scum buddies on Phate's wagon. It doesnt change the vote Elli.

It doesn't make any sense that 3 scum were on 1 counterwagon to a town player- especially considering how much me and tajo were fighting. Ask yourself which is more likely-
3 scum and 1 town on a 4 man wagon, with an all-town 5 man wagon on a town player
2 scum and 2 town on a 4 man wagon, with 1 scum and 4 town on a 5 man wagon on a town player.
Do you really think scum would sacrifice the chance to lynch Phate/Ecto that easily, and commit so many people to 1 weak counterwagon?

[Ectomancer]

You make sense, but I think it more likely to be 2 on the counter and 2 on the sidelines.

unvote; vote Elvis