Micro 960: A Year of Miccros II - Game Over

[Datisi]

why not just say he vigged N1 but it failed? Why claim he just didn’t try?

because that

confirms

him to be either a blank or a lying scum. and with me in the game, you know which option i'm gonna push. this way, he can still buy time with "oh let me confirm myself tonight".

[Micc]

@mod how would a potential strongman affect a bg? Bgs aren’t like docs so I don’t see how a hypothetical strongman would affect anything.

I can't answer this question without having the role PM's. I see the Strongman PM you quoted but not the other role. Do you have a specific game in mind?

Votecount 2.04

the worst (1) -

skitter30

PookeyTheMagicalBear (1) -

Datisi

Not Voting (5) -

dsjstr, Something_Smart, PookyTheMagicalBear, the worst, Raven Branwen

With 7 players alive it takes 4 votes to eliminate.

The deadline for Day 2 is in (expired on 2020-08-20 06:50:00).

[Datisi]

@mod, if this bodyguard and the strongman from the role PM in 3048 both targetted player A, strongman using their strongman shot, and no other relevant roles in play, who would die?

Town Bodyguard Neighbor

Welcome, [playername]. You are a

Town Bodyguard Neighbor

.

Abilities:

• Bodyguard:
  Once every Night you may target another player to protect them from one killing action. Assuming no interference with your action, if you protect a player who would be killed that Night, you will die.
  
• Neighbor:
  You are a Neighbor with [playername]. Your Private Topic is here.

You win when all the threats to the Town have been eliminated.

The game thread is here. Please confirm by replying to this PM with your role name.

[Raven Branwen]

@mod, if this bodyguard and the strongman from the role PM in 3048 both targetted player A, strongman using their strongman shot, and no other relevant roles in play, who would die?

Town Bodyguard Neighbor

Welcome, [playername]. You are a

Town Bodyguard Neighbor

.

Abilities:

• Bodyguard:
  Once every Night you may target another player to protect them from one killing action. Assuming no interference with your action, if you protect a player who would be killed that Night, you will die.
  
• Neighbor:
  You are a Neighbor with [playername]. Your Private Topic is here.

You win when all the threats to the Town have been eliminated.

The game thread is here. Please confirm by replying to this PM with your role name.

Oh it’s the same game? That means both roles can’t exist in this setup.

[Datisi]

it's not the same game. strongman is from 909, town bodyguard neighbor is from 930. the formatting looks similar because i modded both of those game.

[Micc]

@mod, if this bodyguard and the strongman from the role PM in 3048 both targetted player A, strongman using their strongman shot, and no other relevant roles in play, who would die?

Player A would be killed in this scenario.

[Datisi]

thanks!

anyway i don't know why we needed this since town bodyguard + friendly neighbor + some named townies is pretty much balanced against 2 goons but there you go

[Raven Branwen]

it's not the same game. strongman is from 909, town bodyguard neighbor is from 930. the formatting looks similar because i modded both of those game.

Oh okay then it is possible but I don’t think a strongman would have any effect on a bg, so I think unlikely?

[Datisi]

the good mod literally just said that the bg can't stop a strongman shot

[Raven Branwen]

@mod, if this bodyguard and the strongman from the role PM in 3048 both targetted player A, strongman using their strongman shot, and no other relevant roles in play, who would die?

Player A would be killed in this scenario.

Really, not the bg? Okay I just thought a strongman’s kill would go through regardless but the bg would still die in that case. Maybe I’m confusing strongman with strongwilled?

[Raven Branwen]

the good mod literally just said that the bg can't stop a strongman shot

Strong-Willed
Strong-Willed is a role modifier; it usually means that the player's abilities cannot be redirected or Roleblocked. However, any result that may be attained can still be tampered with by roles that alter informational results, such as Framer. In short, it greatly increases the chance of the player's ability working like the player wants it to.

Some moderators will ambiguously use this to mean that the strong-willed player cannot be recruited (by Cult, Neighborizer, and so forth). If you are not sure, consult with the moderator.

Strong-Willed is not to be confused with Strongman.

I did confuse strongman with strongwilled.

[Datisi]

for (to me) very obivous reasons, no-elimination today is literal gamethrowing:
- pooky is either trueclaiming normal vigi, trueclaiming blank vigi, or scum. (ordered from least to most likely in my opinion.)
- if he's a normal vig, then sure he gets confirmed upon no-elim and double-kill, however in both other cases we're strictly worse off tomorrow, we're at evens, we've lost an elimination, and pooky isn't resolved. we're not doing this.

pooky needs to die here, that is a blatant fakeclaim. *however*, if the rest of you are so scared of executing a claimed power role, here's what we do:
- we agree on (1) non-pooky target we execute today, and (2) non-pooky target we would execute tomorrow in 5p lylo.
- we hang (1), we order pooky to shoot (2).

this is dumb, but at the very goddamn least it's not literal gamethrowing.

[Raven Branwen]

for (to me) very obivous reasons, no-elimination today is literal gamethrowing:
- pooky is either trueclaiming normal vigi, trueclaiming blank vigi, or scum. (ordered from least to most likely in my opinion.)
- if he's a normal vig, then sure he gets confirmed upon no-elim and double-kill, however in both other cases we're strictly worse off tomorrow, we're at evens, we've lost an elimination, and pooky isn't resolved. we're not doing this.

pooky needs to die here, that is a blatant fakeclaim. *however*, if the rest of you are so scared of executing a claimed power role, here's what we do:
- we agree on (1) non-pooky target we execute today, and (2) non-pooky target we would execute tomorrow in 5p lylo.
- we hang (1), we order pooky to shoot (2).

this is dumb, but at the very goddamn least it's not literal gamethrowing.

How would the flips factor into that though? Don’t you think if the non-Pooky target flips town, Pooky shouldn’t shoot anyone? The idea was in place of a non exectution. Anyway, we have 2 mech cleared or in the case of duckling - not a clear but mech believable. I know I’m town and I don’t think it’s you or SS, which leaves djstr, so back to sqare one I guess.

[Datisi]

Don’t you think if the non-Pooky target flips town, Pooky shouldn’t shoot anyone?

no, that's exactly when he should be shooting.

like for example, say we agree that we hang dsjstr today, and if that hits green, we hang me tomorrow in 5p lylo.

there is no difference in outcome of the game whether town!me gets murdered by a vigilante OR hanged in 5p lylo. in both cases, town loses the game.
however, in the case where i am scum, pooky successfully shooting me instead of me getting hanged conftowns him.

like, in case our target number (2) is town, we don't lose anything, but if they're scum, we gain a conftown.

[skitter30]

Which also fits with my gamestate read of skitter being alive in order to push him.

I guess this is possible

[skitter30]

I don’t understand why vig!Pooky is so confident he gets the chance N2.

I'm not confident - but if I shoot on N1 and hit town and scum kill me, then town is at lylo on D2 and I'm not going to do that to you guys when I messed up on D1 already.

I think u should have shot, like, raven or dsjstr to test it last night

[skitter30]

like if we r at 5p lylo - 2 scum jump on and lynch someone - I kill a scum they kill a townie, then endgame 1v1 I draw the game or something like that

You dont know if you're a real vig tho ....

This doesnt work if you're a blank

[skitter30]

pooky needs to die here, that is a blatant fakeclaim. *however*, if the rest of you are so scared of executing a claimed power role, here's what we do:
- we agree on (1) non-pooky target we execute today, and (2) non-pooky target we would execute tomorrow in 5p lylo.
- we hang (1), we order pooky to shoot (2).

I am probably ok with this

Also I'm wicked jester from autumnal mafia

[Datisi]

skitt, what's your read on pooky now?

[skitter30]

Dubious

[skitter30]

He has a p strong scumgame and i dont really know how to read him
The 'i feel bad so i wont shoot cuz i dont want to put us in a worse position' feels somewhat insincere

[Datisi]

is there anything i'm missing that would make pooky/dsjstr an unviable team?

[skitter30]

I dont see anything that would make it unviable, but i also dont see anything that would make it unlikely

[Datisi]

i think i was right early day one and i hate it

[skitter30]

* but i also dont see anything that would make it likely

Whoops

Why do u think that's the solve?