In post 3059, thezmon221 wrote:What kind of posts are you reading? I never implied you're scum. I think you're delusional and useless town.
YES!
Town, I saved you. Thank me later. LOL! this is great
He just literally lied because he can't keep track of his opinions that are displayed in his posts. Lets look at this gem right here:
In post 3042, thezmon221 wrote:1) You know who doesn't have reads that change after flips (especially two flips)? Scum. Scum doesn't need to change their reads. Your case on Nacho is exactly the same as it was D1: Crap.
This is Thezmon's argument:
1) Bacde does A
2) Scum do A
3 (assumption) Town is much less likely to do A
4) (inference/implication) Bacde is scum
Yet he denies it.
Sheep Bacde. Scumhunting made easy.
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Possible Objections: But you inserted the assumption that town is much less likely to do A! Maybe thezmon doesn't actually think that!
Counter-argument: If thezmon actually doesn't have that assumption, then why did he even include the "You know who does A? Scum do A" part of his post? I can't imagine a town making that statement without the intention of implying that I am scum.
Posted: Mon Jun 03, 2013 5:25 am
by Bacde
VOTE: thezmon
Posted: Mon Jun 03, 2013 5:36 am
by mastin2
Oh hey this went fast.
<<< Bacde receives a warning for abusing emphasis. >>>
Fifty-seventh Votecount
:
(Fifth Votecount Day Two,
AKA, the "listen to the mod, he is god" votecount.
)
Haylen - 4 (Cephrir, Om the Destroyer, Nero Cain, penguin_alien)
In post 3123, Bacde wrote:THIS IS SERIOUSLY GOING TO BE MY STRATEGY IN THIS GAME UNTIL YOU GUYS START LYNCHING THEZMON
You claimed Vigilante.
Vigilantes are not allowed to power-whine because they can take matters into their own hands.
No wagon for you until you can calmly summarize a case (i.e. "X is scum because Y, proven by Z"). That means you have to more than to just repeat shit in all-caps and quote shit with no analysis. Grow up and quit being "that guy".
Posted: Mon Jun 03, 2013 5:56 am
by Bacde
HOW CAN I TAKE MATTERS INTO MY OWN HANDS WHEN I GET BLOCKED
YOU WANT TO SEE A CASE? HOWABOUT THIS POST THATS FREAKING AT THE TOP OF THE PAGE
In post 3059, thezmon221 wrote:What kind of posts are you reading? I never implied you're scum. I think you're delusional and useless town.
YES!
Town, I saved you. Thank me later. LOL! this is great
He just literally lied because he can't keep track of his opinions that are displayed in his posts. Lets look at this gem right here:
In post 3042, thezmon221 wrote:1) You know who doesn't have reads that change after flips (especially two flips)? Scum. Scum doesn't need to change their reads. Your case on Nacho is exactly the same as it was D1: Crap.
This is Thezmon's argument:
1) Bacde does A
2) Scum do A
3 (assumption) Town is much less likely to do A
4) (inference/implication) Bacde is scum
Yet he denies it.
Sheep Bacde. Scumhunting made easy.
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Possible Objections: But you inserted the assumption that town is much less likely to do A! Maybe thezmon doesn't actually think that!
Counter-argument: If thezmon actually doesn't have that assumption, then why did he even include the "You know who does A? Scum do A" part of his post? I can't imagine a town making that statement without the intention of implying that I am scum.
Posted: Mon Jun 03, 2013 5:57 am
by Bacde
WHAT PART OF THAT POST IS NOT CALM AND RATIONAL AND OBVIOUSLY CORRECT?
Posted: Mon Jun 03, 2013 6:08 am
by Kublai Khan
In post 3130, Bacde wrote:WHAT PART OF THAT POST IS NOT CALM AND RATIONAL AND OBVIOUSLY CORRECT?
Badce wrote:This is Thezmon's argument:
1) Bacde does A
2) Scum do A
3 (assumption) Town is much less likely to do A
4) (inference/implication) Bacde is scum
Yet he denies it.
Sheep Bacde. Scumhunting made easy.
Okay, you quoted #2, but where does thezmon221 say that "1) Bacde does A"?
Posted: Mon Jun 03, 2013 6:10 am
by Kublai Khan
In post 3129, Bacde wrote:HOW CAN I TAKE MATTERS INTO MY OWN HANDS WHEN I GET BLOCKED
Actually, going back and looking you did absolutely power-hint that you were a vig. So I take back my doubt.
Posted: Mon Jun 03, 2013 6:11 am
by Bacde
In post 3131, Kublai Khan wrote:Okay, you quoted #2, but where does thezmon221 say that "1) Bacde does A"?
Its in post 3044, its IN THE PART I QUOTED IN THE CASE
I typed that with shift, I'm sorry but sometimes I need to emphasize
Posted: Mon Jun 03, 2013 6:12 am
by Bacde
He says "Your case on Nacho is exactly the same as it was D1: Crap."
Thats your "Bacde does A"
Posted: Mon Jun 03, 2013 6:12 am
by Bacde
This case is so good I seriously can't comprehend how thezmon isn't lynched yet
Posted: Mon Jun 03, 2013 6:19 am
by Slandaar
lol
Posted: Mon Jun 03, 2013 6:20 am
by Slandaar
The reason is that everyone is a cook which I said ages ago.
It doesn't help Thor is scum completely causing chaos within the town he needs lynching badly
Posted: Mon Jun 03, 2013 6:23 am
by Kublai Khan
In post 3135, Bacde wrote:This case is so good I seriously can't comprehend how thezmon isn't lynched yet
In post 3135, Bacde wrote:This case is so good I seriously can't comprehend how thezmon isn't lynched yet
Well, he did do what you said. Fair enough.
What's the scum motivation?
Whats the town motivation to directly lie about something 20 minutes after you've said it?
This is what happened:
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Thezmon:
Implies Bacde is scum
Bacde: Hey you implied I'm scum without voting me! Thats scummy!
Thor: Hey that is kinda scummy
Thezmon: I NEVER IMPLIED THAT YOU DID THAT! (obviously motivated to not look scummy)
Bacde:
Proves that Thezmon did indeed make that implication
*Thor and the rest of the town ignore this slam-dunk case*
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Posted: Mon Jun 03, 2013 6:27 am
by Bacde
In post 3137, Slandaar wrote:The reason is that everyone is a cook which I said ages ago.
It doesn't help Thor is scum completely causing chaos within the town he needs lynching badly
if you lynch thezmon with me I promise I'll sheep you onto thor no questions asked
Posted: Mon Jun 03, 2013 6:31 am
by Cephrir
I would have less issue voting thezmon if Haylen was dead
Posted: Mon Jun 03, 2013 6:35 am
by Kublai Khan
In post 3139, Bacde wrote:Whats the town motivation to directly lie about something 20 minutes after you've said it?
This is what happened:
Look, I don't care how dumb I come off. Explain this to me like I'm a four year old.
thezmon221 is being logically inconsistent, I'll give you that. But there is always the possibility of derp. So I want you to eliminate that doubt in my mind.
If thezmon221 is scum, then his play indicates that he has reason not to want to list you as scum. Why?
In post 3139, Bacde wrote:Whats the town motivation to directly lie about something 20 minutes after you've said it?
This is what happened:
Look, I don't care how dumb I come off. Explain this to me like I'm a four year old.
thezmon221 is being logically inconsistent, I'll give you that. But there is always the possibility of derp. So I want you to eliminate that doubt in my mind.
If thezmon221 is scum, then his play indicates that he has reason not to want to list you as scum. Why?
Ok, sorry about the facepalm
I'm just seriously frustrated
I've got two warnings this game and I'm predicting that I'm going to be force-replaced out at some point
I'm guessing that thezmon thinks that the "discredit bacde by calling him an idiot" route is going to work--the only problem is that I'm actually damn good at this game. I think he's also motivated to call me town still since he called me town early on and thus doesn't want to switch his "opinion" at the risk of looking scummy. Plus its tough to find good reasoning to change your reads when you are scum
Here's a link to a game whree I was scum and absta101 was town, and absta101 caught me d1 but I tried to discredit him by calling him horrible at the game: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=26373
Posted: Mon Jun 03, 2013 6:45 am
by Kublai Khan
Hmm.. Alright, I can buy that.
Vote: thezmon221
Posted: Mon Jun 03, 2013 6:49 am
by Bacde
TOWN HAS A HCANCE!!
Posted: Mon Jun 03, 2013 6:51 am
by Bacde
In post 3141, Cephrir wrote:I would have less issue voting thezmon if Haylen was dead
I already promised slandaar I'd vote thor but I can put you on the waiting list for Haylen
basically if Slandaar doesn't agree to my deal then I'll agree to get Haylen next if you vote for thezmon
if Slandaar DOES agree to my deal then I'll get Haylen with you after me/slandaar get thor
deal?
cmon dude you've been promoting my town-ness since d1, cut me a break and help me not get force-replaced and not get a hernia by lynching thezmon w/ me
I like how my post went from "full of no" to "I read it again and there are great points in there". I'm in your crosshairs because... of a Seanald scum-read? Explain.
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I've got a super-town read on CrashTextDummie, so I'm making him responsible for reading Slandaar. If CrashTextDummie ever says "Slandaar is scum", then we lynch Slandaar. Otherwise I'm just going to ignore him for now.
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In post 2962, Kublai Khan wrote:Did anyone get a message from Syryana confirming his alignment? If not then I'm guessing that Seanald-scum or someone in his mafia did.
My understanding of friendly neighbor is that Syryana would have sent out a message confirming self as town. So presumably that message would only go out to a town read of Syryana's. Why would scum want to keep quiet about effectively being a town read of Syryana's?
Because the argument of "Hey, I must be town because [dead townie] thought I was town!" carries less weight than you think.
Given that nobody claimed it, it suggests the possibility that Syryana's message was delivered during the day or even instantaneously at night.
