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In post 321, Duchess wrote:Can you explain why agreeing with you is scummy behaviour?

Agreeing with me is not explicitly scummy no. But the way you did it made it seem like you were jumping onto others' reads instead of forming your own opinions.

In post 321, Duchess wrote:As for my opinion of Whemestar, did you disagree at the time? This was the third page of the game, so of course I will not make any convictions or accusations as strong as those I hope to be capable of making later in the game.

Yeah, I disagreed. Whemestar hadn't said enough in my opinion to warrant the read you gave on him about putting up an act.

In post 294, unwnd wrote:If he's scum then this is just his MO. You can't expect anything else out of him. He's a good shot to where you either start opening up the idea of bussing or he's a townie who becomes worse (no offense) later down the line

If I think about gamestate I'd actually say he makes the best shot reading back my own thoughts lol

I'm interested in hearing more of why you think Norfolk is the best shot here.

Based on what I understand of the setup and what I've seen so far, I disagree pretty heavily.

In post 315, Dunnstral wrote:MUSHAGANA feels like town/out of their scum range, but I don't know them or how they play. It just feels like this is them as town.

How can you say they're out of their scum range if you don't know how they play?

I'm just a big fan of killing slanker slots early. That's what D1 is for, and if I have to somehow influence people back into this mindset then I'll do it

Why do you disagree?

In post 328, Netflix and Chill wrote:

In post 315, Dunnstral wrote:MUSHAGANA feels like town/out of their scum range, but I don't know them or how they play. It just feels like this is them as town.

How can you say they're out of their scum range if you don't know how they play?

Just a feeling. This feels like a town player

Maybe this read is dumb

In post 329, unwnd wrote:Why do you disagree?

It's based on our discussion of how we should approach our first shot with the understanding of how the godfather functions in this setup and what happens should we shoot a goon.

I also am not fond of shooting a player that has admitted to not being a strong player in the early game. Should he be town, we just die and we leave a weaker early game town player in control of the gamestate.

This isn't to say whether I think he's town or not, just that he's not someone I would consider a great first shot.

There may or may not be other things affecting my opinion here.

RLotus wrote:

In post 321, Duchess wrote:Can you explain why agreeing with you is scummy behaviour?

Agreeing with me is not explicitly scummy no. But the way you did it made it seem like you were jumping onto others' reads instead of forming your own opinions.

In post 321, Duchess wrote:As for my opinion of Whemestar, did you disagree at the time? This was the third page of the game, so of course I will not make any convictions or accusations as strong as those I hope to be capable of making later in the game.

Yeah, I disagreed. Whemestar hadn't said enough in my opinion to warrant the read you gave on him about putting up an act.

You said he was being LAMIST. That explicitly implies some kind of an act or show or desire to be seen.

To your first point, and to a great deal of the assumptions you made when you voted me, I say that is simply not how the game of mafia works. If everyone ignored everyone else's opinions except to argue, there would be no consensus. If everyone only ever posted about their own original thoughts, there would be no discussion. You have yet to explain why my behaviour in that scenario was scummy, and the post where you voted me reads to me like justification for scumreading me you found after the fact.

In post 170, SirCakez wrote:

In post 160, Norfolk Boy1 wrote:I'm not digging ScrewTheTells jumping in and claiming it's suspicious that i'm not posting when it's Sunday night in the UK.

Anyone suggesting a committee or that votes should decide the shot is a scum candidate for me.

The only confirmed town is Netflix, so Netflix should decide.

Another bad Norfolk post
They're basically saying don't scumhunt, it's netflix's job.

This is a rather liberal interpretation, in my opinion.

ATTACK ON TITAN!

So Norfolk has a handful of games in the newbie queue and exactly no completed games out of the newbie queue. He doesn't appear to be a lurker as either alignment, and he's stated in one of his newbie games that he doesn't like the pressure of being scum or a power role.

Which means his opening posts here quite frankly are either or. They could easily come from inexperienced town who doesn't want the pressure of having a gun early because they lack confidence. It could also yes come from nervous scum.

I don't think his opening posts are all that scummy because they can as easily come from town who doesn't want the responsibility of fucking up early as it can from scum who's afraid of getting shot, but I don't think there's any real way to tell the difference right this minute. I just find the super push there from his first two posts pretty scummy, and if he is scum I bet there's some bussing in there because scum love to find their partners scummy for not very scummy stuff.

I don't like unwnd's posts regarding this at all. We're two days in the start of a two-week deadline with not even 20 pages in. It's super misguided and kinda scummy to be advocating for a shot here right now for slanker shot. We have no idea whether or not norfolk will start actually posting, but based on previous games he should regardless of alignment. If he's scum, we get oh look everyone thought he was scum but no associatives to speak of, and we potentially go right into one of us eating a night kill before any impact can be made, which means we're not too far ahead.

That's best case scenario. Worst case scenario is he's actually town, given a power he doesn't want and is uncomfortable with AND we lose netflix.

Acting like it's misguided not to just go for the slanker when you can't be a slanker at the beginning of the game is really weird.

RLotus. How often do you see players of either alignment committing to any reads in their first post?

In post 333, Duchess wrote:

In post 170, SirCakez wrote:

In post 160, Norfolk Boy1 wrote:I'm not digging ScrewTheTells jumping in and claiming it's suspicious that i'm not posting when it's Sunday night in the UK.

Anyone suggesting a committee or that votes should decide the shot is a scum candidate for me.

The only confirmed town is Netflix, so Netflix should decide.

Another bad Norfolk post
They're basically saying don't scumhunt, it's netflix's job.

This is a rather liberal interpretation, in my opinion.

This is one of the reasons I suspect Cakez.

In post 191, Rockhopper wrote:VOTE: ScrewTheTells
VOTE: Norfolk boy
VOTE: Not_Mafia
VOTE: SirCakez

Probably two scum in there

Are there two players here you feel stronger about than the other two? Can you explain any of these reads or your townreads from the post before?

In post 302, unwnd wrote:The newbie game we played he sorta just said 'yeah I'll self-vote to resolve myself' after being run up. Energy isn't something he relies upon, maybe that's evident in just his avatar alone. How do you think partners would be treating right now in a hypothetical situation of scum?

I don't know.

In post 204, Imperium wrote:

In post 52, Duchess wrote:

In post 37, RLotus wrote:

In post 36, SirCakez wrote:Norfolk's posting just seemed excessively LAMIST to me

Really? I think saying that you don't want the gun is scummy as opposed to towny, on the surface.

Whemstar who is asking to be shot is LAMIST in my mind.

To me Norfolk looks like he is overcompensating for something he did that he knows looks scummy on the surface, so I agree with both of you if that makes any sense. I also agree that Whemestar's eager attitude looks like an act to me.

Where did he overcompensate and what was scummy on the surface?

Norfolk's first post reads to me almost the same as when scum feigns confusion about a Night Kill upon day start. He is overcompensating in his next post in that he ignores the implication that Whemestar is casting suspicion his way, and instead casually replies as if he is known town. He made his first post, 3 people immediately condemned it, he realized how scummy it was, and then tried to throw in a fake townslip to compensate.

In post 339, Duchess wrote:

In post 204, Imperium wrote:

In post 52, Duchess wrote:

In post 37, RLotus wrote:

In post 36, SirCakez wrote:Norfolk's posting just seemed excessively LAMIST to me

Really? I think saying that you don't want the gun is scummy as opposed to towny, on the surface.

Whemstar who is asking to be shot is LAMIST in my mind.

To me Norfolk looks like he is overcompensating for something he did that he knows looks scummy on the surface, so I agree with both of you if that makes any sense. I also agree that Whemestar's eager attitude looks like an act to me.

Where did he overcompensate and what was scummy on the surface?

Norfolk's first post reads to me almost the same as when scum feigns confusion about a Night Kill upon day start. He is overcompensating in his next post in that he ignores the implication that Whemestar is casting suspicion his way, and instead casually replies as if he is known town. He made his first post, 3 people immediately condemned it, he realized how scummy it was, and then tried to throw in a fake townslip to compensate.

I can understand your line of thinking here, sort of, but I don't agree.

In post 205, MUSHSHAGANA wrote:Albert, Duchess: I'd like your thoughts specifically on the posts between 180 and this post (most likely 205). Do you see what I see? Can you hear what I hear?

I'm not dropping any hints to avoid bias, but it's not information I care about keeping hidden. Either of you can answer openly if you spot it.

Several players seem to be appealing to you (to some degree) all at once, if that is what you are talking about. Otherwise I see Imperium keeping people accountable to their Norfolk Boy reads.

I can't get nacho to stop watching tiktok videos and read the game, but I did have him read Norfolk's iso to make sure I'm not going over the deep end lol. He doesn't really think it's that scummy either, but all he did was nod and smile at my thoughts and is back to watching videos again.

In post 340, Imperium wrote:

In post 339, Duchess wrote:

In post 204, Imperium wrote:

In post 52, Duchess wrote:

In post 37, RLotus wrote:

In post 36, SirCakez wrote:Norfolk's posting just seemed excessively LAMIST to me

Really? I think saying that you don't want the gun is scummy as opposed to towny, on the surface.

Whemstar who is asking to be shot is LAMIST in my mind.

To me Norfolk looks like he is overcompensating for something he did that he knows looks scummy on the surface, so I agree with both of you if that makes any sense. I also agree that Whemestar's eager attitude looks like an act to me.

Where did he overcompensate and what was scummy on the surface?

Norfolk's first post reads to me almost the same as when scum feigns confusion about a Night Kill upon day start. He is overcompensating in his next post in that he ignores the implication that Whemestar is casting suspicion his way, and instead casually replies as if he is known town. He made his first post, 3 people immediately condemned it, he realized how scummy it was, and then tried to throw in a fake townslip to compensate.

I can understand your line of thinking here, sort of, but I don't agree.

Which part do you disagree with; the comparison I made of his first post, or my interpretation of his second?

This is me reluctantly being dragged into the thread. I don't get the Norfolk hate; what the fuck kind of scum team worth their salt lets the newbie walk out and go "hey guys oh boy am I glad I didn't get shot don't shoot me haha!!".

Cakez would be on my shortlist for a bullet for the push though!

I disagree heavily with that take. I am willing to go out on a limb and say that most mafiosi write their own posts.

In post 343, Duchess wrote:

In post 340, Imperium wrote:

In post 339, Duchess wrote:

In post 204, Imperium wrote:

In post 52, Duchess wrote:

In post 37, RLotus wrote:

In post 36, SirCakez wrote:Norfolk's posting just seemed excessively LAMIST to me

Really? I think saying that you don't want the gun is scummy as opposed to towny, on the surface.

Whemstar who is asking to be shot is LAMIST in my mind.

To me Norfolk looks like he is overcompensating for something he did that he knows looks scummy on the surface, so I agree with both of you if that makes any sense. I also agree that Whemestar's eager attitude looks like an act to me.

Where did he overcompensate and what was scummy on the surface?

Norfolk's first post reads to me almost the same as when scum feigns confusion about a Night Kill upon day start. He is overcompensating in his next post in that he ignores the implication that Whemestar is casting suspicion his way, and instead casually replies as if he is known town. He made his first post, 3 people immediately condemned it, he realized how scummy it was, and then tried to throw in a fake townslip to compensate.

I can understand your line of thinking here, sort of, but I don't agree.

Which part do you disagree with; the comparison I made of his first post, or my interpretation of his second?

I just didn't interpret either that way.

Your interpretation could be right. Mostly I'm just trying to make sense of people's thoughts in that direction.

In post 346, Duchess wrote:I disagree heavily with that take. I am willing to go out on a limb and say that most mafiosi write their own posts.

And then there's people like Gypyx in Tenet who are so heavily coached and have their posts approved by their scum team that they escape notice because they don't look anything like they usually look as scum.

But I don't think he was saying that he wouldn't be writing his own posts, but that the scum team would probably heavily advise against such an opening.

At least I have your other head with me on the first one.

Imperium I want to believe you are town for your interactions with MUSHSHAGANA who I believe to be town. However I am not townreading you from your posting.