Not Quite Normal Multiball II (Game Over)

[SCP 682]

Subject: Mini 2240: SCP UPick 2 (Day 8)

i'm a 1-shot redirector. that's it. i sat on it as long as humanly possible because the fewer scum there are, the better my chances of hitting the kill.

last night i redirected enchant to himself. so if enchant is scum and has some role that prevents him from being killed in some way, it's theoretically possible i could have caused the missing kill, but it's not super likely.

Then why i was breached, not you?

for example enchant will actually show interest in things like game mechanics and how they interact with people and engage stuff like that as town here is an example and you can ISO the game I just quoted to see.


And as scum he just straight up meme posts for the most part - although he has broken this tell recently as I have stated but not the other way around.

The last multiball I played with enchant -> which was grandest idea mafia, I correctly meta read him off a game I was cocurrently scum with him at the time due to the differences. I will properly case it later when I have cooled down but I will not allow for misrepresentations of what my actual case is on enchant to slide.

[SCP 682]

k I'm breaking my silence to say that FL is completely misrepresenting both my case and enchant's meta compared to this game.


enchant has subtle tonal tells and activity tells and the way he engages the game


he made solid reads in the game he was in with FL that I was also in -> yes he lurks as both alignments but he lurks in an unsolvy way as scum.


Trying to misrep this meta is probably becoming scum indicative for FL if Enchant flips mafia and not wolf.


Starting to think FL has no morals when it comes to the game and OGId because they are scum throwing anything to win IDFK anymore. I am just tired and don't want to talk when this guy is around because any disagreement = harassment.

To be fair, you didn't say the stuff about the tonal tells before, and have acknowledged here that Enchant lurks as both alignments. Whereas before you responded in outrage to anyone who would say that Enchant lurks as both alignments. I think if you had elaborated on your reasoning (beyond Enchant's activity) before, it would have produced a different response.

i mentioned the solviness before. people just hate reading :/

[Flavor Leaf]

he made solid reads in the game he was in with FL that I was also in -> yes he lurks as both alignments but he lurks in an unsolvy way as scum.

I specifically stated Day 2, and that I couldn't speak for Day 1 because I didn't read it. you twisted this.

I was scum there too, so I wasn't actively even reading Enchant.

They made very little posts, and they claimed a vig/scum read on maybe RCE, if I believe, but nothing else.

[Wallflower]

k I'm breaking my silence to say that FL is completely misrepresenting both my case and enchant's meta compared to this game.


enchant has subtle tonal tells and activity tells and the way he engages the game


he made solid reads in the game he was in with FL that I was also in -> yes he lurks as both alignments but he lurks in an unsolvy way as scum.


Trying to misrep this meta is probably becoming scum indicative for FL if Enchant flips mafia and not wolf.


Starting to think FL has no morals when it comes to the game and OGId because they are scum throwing anything to win IDFK anymore. I am just tired and don't want to talk when this guy is around because any disagreement = harassment.

To be fair, you didn't say the stuff about the tonal tells before, and have acknowledged here that Enchant lurks as both alignments. Whereas before you responded in outrage to anyone who would say that Enchant lurks as both alignments. I think if you had elaborated on your reasoning (beyond Enchant's activity) before, it would have produced a different response.

But yeah, from an external perspective I would say both you and FL have been involved in shutting people down, not that that's an unexpected thing in mafia, but I guess regarding the Enchant situation, I can't really pick the difference between you and FL.

[SCP 682]

i think its a gross comparison to call me shutting down when i have literally just pushed the enchant read when everyone else just has them null for the most part. and not really shut down much else.

thanks.

[Wallflower]

k I'm breaking my silence to say that FL is completely misrepresenting both my case and enchant's meta compared to this game.


enchant has subtle tonal tells and activity tells and the way he engages the game


he made solid reads in the game he was in with FL that I was also in -> yes he lurks as both alignments but he lurks in an unsolvy way as scum.


Trying to misrep this meta is probably becoming scum indicative for FL if Enchant flips mafia and not wolf.


Starting to think FL has no morals when it comes to the game and OGId because they are scum throwing anything to win IDFK anymore. I am just tired and don't want to talk when this guy is around because any disagreement = harassment.

To be fair, you didn't say the stuff about the tonal tells before, and have acknowledged here that Enchant lurks as both alignments. Whereas before you responded in outrage to anyone who would say that Enchant lurks as both alignments. I think if you had elaborated on your reasoning (beyond Enchant's activity) before, it would have produced a different response.

i mentioned the solviness before. people just hate reading :/

I mean, I do not remember seeing Enchant be solve-y in the Large Normal. I feel like you believe Enchant is scum and have your reasoning as to why, but I don't think it's been expressed in a way that is particularly convincing, and so it makes your responses to me and cass seem over-the-top. I don't think this is an alignment thing. I think you're town. Just.. it affects how people respond to your suspicion.

[Flavor Leaf]

That reminds me, mastina was also pre flipping, yet Catboi was completely okay when they did it?

Catboi has been using one set of rules to push one player while ignoring it when it doesn't fit their positioning for others.

[Wallflower]

i think its a gross comparison to call me shutting down when i have literally just pushed the enchant read when everyone else just has them null for the most part. and not really shut down much else.

thanks.

I'm just providing my perspective. You can take it or leave it, that's okay.

[SCP 682]

you and I have different ideas of what solvy looks like and just because someone isnt posting reads lists constantly doesnt mean they cant come off as solvy. subtle solviness exists.

[Flavor Leaf]

Page 134 Day 1 is kind of lazy going for a lurker slot, though too.


I feel like SPC pushes lurker slots because they want to be the one to push through fades and it's just easier for them.

[Save The Dragons]

can you guys stop talking to/about each other

[Flavor Leaf]

And WallFlower to a similar effect, but WallF/Monkey has been my townblock for ages now, and the wild thing is...

People think WallFlower, Monkey, and I are all town.

But we're the 3 that have been mainly pushing Catboi. My thoughts are Catboi's partners are refusing to bus, and there's the other scum in some of the ones that move their vote, like CSF, Toogeloo, Mega, maybe even Tictac.

And that's actually a strong reasoning for ScumCatboi.

this + constantly minimizing my reasons is why I believe Catboi is scum.

Everytime I mention Mastina in some fashion, they always have something to say. This could be because of either a) it's a positioning tactic to pocket Mastina further, b)because Mastina/Catboi are scum together, C) Catboi is pocketed by Mastina.

I was thinking B for a while, and then started to go C, but Catboi has been talking to me like they know Mastina is town. Now you can say Multiball doesn't allow for that. And I see that, however, as scum, 4 in 18 others are scum, and no matter what, town reading is a safe move to do because of that exact defense.

Catboi's insistence on Mastina slot, and minimizing of what I was pushing there in addition to the vote counts is why Catboi is most likely scum.

You can also see around the time SPC was on my side, and right before, that Catboi was actively playing up towards SPC. I think this was also a positioning/pocket attempt on SPC.

When SPC turned on Catboi, Catboi started talking down to SPC, and then turned right after to try to play up to them again.

They used the Butter read to do so, something that SPC was connecting Butter and Catboi, but Catboi defended Butter while getting SPC to turn on them as well.

This is why I believe SPC is legitimately pocketed by Catboi. They played directly to them.


This is also helps to minimize me, one of the ones pushing them the hardest, by getting SPC on their side.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Bookmark.

FL i'm mid-range now because i don't have the willpower to keep up with all this shit.

[SCP 682]

can you guys stop talking to/about each other

was literally typing this up.

I ask you to literally stop talking about me and I will do the same to you FL. Go bother other people. I wish to continue playing in a sane manner.

[NorwegianboyEE]

No day 1 should be 134 pages.

[Flavor Leaf]

If we fade Catboi here today, I won't post more than 20 posts per Day for Day 2.

[Flavor Leaf]

can you guys stop talking to/about each other

was literally typing this up.

I ask you to literally stop talking about me and I will do the same to you FL. Go bother other people. I wish to continue playing in a sane manner.

If you push something I don't like, I'm gonna defend it.

[NorwegianboyEE]

And we haven't even got a single fucking slot to claim range yet.
Seriously, i'd even accept my own lim at this point if it at least ends with an actual god damn elimination.

[Wallflower]

you and I have different ideas of what solvy looks like and just because someone isnt posting reads lists constantly doesnt mean they cant come off as solvy. subtle solviness exists.

I'm definitely open to Enchant being scum here (Catboi was wrong when saying that I townread Enchant, I believe Enchant dropped off my townread list a while back), but in order to prioritise it over other elim options, I need a bit more about how they are solve-y as town vs. not solve-y here. You've just told it at me, and I've said I don't see it, and you've told me I'm wrong, and that's not really going to get me on board.

[Flavor Leaf]

Bookmark.

FL i'm mid-range now because i don't have the willpower to keep up with all this shit.

yeah, that makes sense.

I wouldn't let you get faded here ever, though.

I just get paranoid of you here and there especially because off the radar, but that's not your fault or anything, more mine.

[SCP 682]

No day 1 should be 134 pages.

its a 23p game.

norwegian, you recently were a game mod in enchant's recent town game - what do you think of enchant?

[Flavor Leaf]

And we haven't even got a single fucking slot to claim range yet.
Seriously, i'd even accept my own lim at this point if it at least ends with an actual god damn elimination.

Come back to Catboi?

[NorwegianboyEE]

No day 1 should be 134 pages.

its a 23p game.

norwegian, you recently were a game mod in enchant's recent town game - what do you think of enchant?

My view hasn't changed. I don't townread them. Nullscum ish.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I feel like this game is actively lobotomizing me to be ok with any elimination so we can just move on.

[Flavor Leaf]

If we fade Catboi here today, I won't post more than 20 posts per Day for Day 2.