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Posted: **Mon Apr 20, 2015 4:38 pm**

↑ wgeurts wrote:Also, if you don't honour venge choices.
You've basically shown the town's gone to nothing.
Nacho's plan will never work anymore.

If you don't honour the town block that nacho set,

You have already shown that the town has gone to nothing

And nacho's plan would never have worked from the beginning.

Posted: **Mon Apr 20, 2015 4:39 pm**

↑ Alchemist21 wrote:
↑ Metal Sonic wrote:I won't even comment on this further because any move I make is a barbed on either side.

I think that you and zar are the most likely to be scum, and if you're town, which I can see if I tilt my head at just the right angle, then wgeurts is going to benefit the most.

I'll write more later.

Wait, so you have Ooba and Zar as scum atm?

I am compromising for my life.

Plus, if I'm wrong on ooba then it's wge.

I actually listen to my townreads when many of them agree on something.

I shut down my scumreads

Posted: **Mon Apr 20, 2015 4:40 pm**

Nacho's plan never included wge in the town block. But it has ooba in it. That is why I am fidgety, because I think that ooba is playing extremely well from a scum perspective but reasonably paranoid (an oxymoron) from a town

Posted: **Mon Apr 20, 2015 4:42 pm**

Okay, version 1 of the plan included wge in the town block and ooba outside. Version 2 swapped it, ooba as town and wge as scum possible.

I didn't like change but both versions had Sotty + Kagami as scum which ooba completely failed to give credit in his case

Posted: **Mon Apr 20, 2015 4:48 pm**

↑ Metal Sonic wrote:Nacho's plan never included wge in the town block. But it has ooba in it. That is why I am fidgety, because I think that ooba is playing extremely well from a scum perspective but reasonably paranoid (an oxymoron) from a town

Wasn't the other half of the Nacho plan to keep following his scumreads until a Townflip? It seemed earlier you liked the plan because it had given us 2 scum and hadn't been wrong yet. It seems like you've praised one half of the plan, but you're saying the other half was never going to work out.

P-edit: Ah. Remind me what the full Townblock of Nacho's looks like.

Posted: **Mon Apr 20, 2015 4:49 pm**

↑ Metal Sonic wrote:Okay, version 1 of the plan included wge in the town block and ooba outside. Version 2 swapped it, ooba as town and wge as scum possible.

I didn't like change but both versions had Sotty + Kagami as scum which ooba completely failed to give credit in his case

The order's different though.

If mollie's town, this would have ended at position two before Sotty.

Kagami --> EddieFenix --> Sotty --> Seraphim

That does eliminate mollie~you scumpairing.

Posted: **Mon Apr 20, 2015 4:50 pm**

↑ wgeurts wrote:ZZZX, no lynching Metal will create a stable Day 6 especially if you happened to be on the wagon.
This wagon is a (likely scum) counterwagon to Metal and self-hammering is never pro-town.
No, you say you trust you mates. However if you where to help finish Metal you would have the votes of those you distrust as well.
It could also well prove Ooba innocent providing less chaos.
You're just finding excuses not to lynch metal.
Also, lynching nacho/hoopla didn't lead to chaos. We've got 3 mislynches as well, so there's no freak "fudge we're going to lylo" panic.

Now for alchemist...

Are you crazy? there are 6 town versus 2 scum. There is no such thing as scum resistance or a scum counterwagon.

And all the people helping me are town (Abr, grey, zzzx), even ooba himself (which you have been following for a deal) says so.

This makes no sense from a town or scum perspective. It is just bad play.

Posted: **Mon Apr 20, 2015 4:52 pm**

↑ Metal Sonic wrote:
↑ wgeurts wrote:ZZZX, no lynching Metal will create a stable Day 6 especially if you happened to be on the wagon.
This wagon is a (likely scum) counterwagon to Metal and self-hammering is never pro-town.
No, you say you trust you mates. However if you where to help finish Metal you would have the votes of those you distrust as well.
It could also well prove Ooba innocent providing less chaos.
You're just finding excuses not to lynch metal.
Also, lynching nacho/hoopla didn't lead to chaos. We've got 3 mislynches as well, so there's no freak "fudge we're going to lylo" panic.

Now for alchemist...

Are you crazy? there are 6 town versus 2 scum. There is no such thing as scum resistance or a scum counterwagon.

And all the people helping me are town (Abr, grey, zzzx), even ooba himself (which you have been following for a deal) says so.

This makes no sense from a town or scum perspective. It is just bad play.

Mollie said the wgeurts wagon looked like a CW to you as well, but I didn't see you say anything to her about it.

Posted: **Mon Apr 20, 2015 4:52 pm**

↑ ooba wrote:
↑ Metal Sonic wrote:Okay, version 1 of the plan included wge in the town block and ooba outside. Version 2 swapped it, ooba as town and wge as scum possible.

I didn't like change but both versions had Sotty + Kagami as scum which ooba completely failed to give credit in his case

The order's different though.

If mollie's town, this would have ended at position two before Sotty.

Kagami --> EddieFenix --> Sotty --> Seraphim

That does eliminate mollie~you scumpairing.

if mollie flips town then doesnt that make metal town? since he changed the plan from one that would stop at town to one that actually hit both scum?

Posted: **Mon Apr 20, 2015 4:54 pm**

↑ ooba wrote:
↑ Metal Sonic wrote:Okay, version 1 of the plan included wge in the town block and ooba outside. Version 2 swapped it, ooba as town and wge as scum possible.

I didn't like change but both versions had Sotty + Kagami as scum which ooba completely failed to give credit in his case

The order's different though.

If mollie's town, this would have ended at position two before Sotty.

Kagami --> EddieFenix --> Sotty --> Seraphim

That does eliminate mollie~you scumpairing.

I can tell you that we are not scum and your idea of the game state is wrong because you are making fallacious assumptions. I analyses you during my "case" and you dropped (barely) enough of your thought process for me to at least follow which I am trying to sort because nacho (and zzzx) said you were town and ~reasons~.

Kagami and Sotty were on the chopping block way before you entered and that is why it would make no sense for a scum me to continue associating with them. Do you at least understand this point?

Posted: **Mon Apr 20, 2015 4:58 pm**

↑ ZZZX wrote:if mollie flips town then doesnt that make metal town? since he changed the plan from one that would stop at town to one that actually hit both scum?

That's the exact opposite.

His Nacho lynch quotes make it clear he didn't like the revised plans to the original.

Spoiler:

Posted: **Mon Apr 20, 2015 4:58 pm**

To keep things short ooba:

Fallacious assumption 1: {the old town block MUST contain at least 1 scum}
Fallacious assumption 2: {scum NEVER bus in this setup}

Since you boobs don't actually read my cases or what I write this is concise mode

Posted: **Mon Apr 20, 2015 5:00 pm**

↑ ooba wrote:
↑ ZZZX wrote:if mollie flips town then doesnt that make metal town? since he changed the plan from one that would stop at town to one that actually hit both scum?

That's the exact opposite.

His Nacho lynch quotes make it clear he didn't like the revised plans to the original.

Spoiler:
Nacho wrote:My personal death list is:

Sotty ---> Kagami ---> GreyICE ---> Zar.

Are you going to follow those names when I flip town, Grey?

Step 1: Ignore Nacho directions - set up a grey mislynch.

↑ Metal Sonic wrote:
↑ pirate mollie wrote:
↑ Albert B. Rampage wrote:
↑ pirate mollie wrote:I really want to be lynched guys.

Not happening. You just town cleared yourself and we're about to lynch your scumread Nacho.

can we then lynch grey?

cos that is what my team terribly wants.

Yes. Grey after nacho

#2205: Nacho specifically quotes MS above post and says “No. Follow the plan.”

#2207: MS specifically asks about the
“Did you discard page 56 plan cause that one was actually the plan I was going to follow! I think you know that I dislike dynamic plans!”

Then there’s the Kagami hammer and even more defense of the slot

The funny thing was it may possibly come from town!

You can get a low player evaluation too!

#2215: Nacho reiterates “Follow the plan.”

#2216: MS:
“But you changed reads! I can't follow a read changer!!!!!! HELP ME ASDGHHJKKLL”

#2219: Nacho: “This is my dying breath, my time taken away by a scum quickhammer. Do not deviate, do not delay, do not get distracted.”

#2220: MS: Talks about other plans Nacho came up with

#2225: “OKAY I WILL FOLLOW YOUR PLAN SENPAI”

Starts setting up a “Oh what if Nacho is wrong angle” that he pursues on D3

#2226:

EVEN THOUGH I THINK GREYICE SHOULD DIE IN A PIT FIRE FIRST

BUT NACHO TOWN IS ALWAYS RIGHT YAS?

#2235-8: He fucking pleads with Nacho for any changes to his list.

LAST WORDS! LAST WILL! ANY CHANGES????
(I KNOW YOU WILL)

EVERYTHING YOU SAY IS VERY IMPORTANT

IF WE LOSE IT IS ON YOU.

YOU WILL LEAD US TO VICTORY.

BE THE KING AND LORD FOR ALL OF US AND BRING US TO VICTORY

yeah if you have any changes to your plan because of that shitty opportunistic wagon composition (note: mollie + grey on the same wagon, sotty not even voting you) you really should give them before your heart stops

D3:
He votes for Sotty but suddenly descends into an *Argument* with mollie

#2339: Suddenly he wants Sotty to come into the thread and town it up so that they don’t have to follow Nacho’s plan. Remember, tis is the same person WHOS been on every single scum list of his, along with a detailed case on why GreyIce-Sotty are scum together.

#2341: You have the ‘What if Nacho is wrong’ series

this is like jumping off a building and hoping that jesus nacho will carry us to the heavens!

let's not think about what happens if this goes wrong!

#2347: “i was talking to myself about what if sotty was town.”

[/quote]

Read through again with with my perspective that greyICE is scum with the conviction that you have that I am scum. Please do it.

Posted: **Mon Apr 20, 2015 5:03 pm**

metal i assume you are sure of your reads are you notbtw?

Posted: **Mon Apr 20, 2015 5:04 pm**

I want to check something

Posted: **Mon Apr 20, 2015 5:07 pm**

↑ ZZZX wrote:metal i assume you are sure of your reads are you notbtw?

I was sure but I am not sure anymore

I am only sure of town. With a clean block we win.

Posted: **Mon Apr 20, 2015 5:09 pm**

Let's not mess around. Abr/alch is scumreading you now because of all the chaos. Ooba/wge/MOLLIE is scumreading me because ooba thought he was infallible (or he is extra tunnel scum) wge/grey are scumreading abr/alch because ???

We are all in danger

Posted: **Mon Apr 20, 2015 5:10 pm**

MS who would you venge if you get lynched?

Posted: **Mon Apr 20, 2015 5:11 pm**

well mollie refuses to listen to her team (who shld be conftown to her) that I am conftown, or listen to my apology so there's that! I think she is afraid of my organic Chem which isn't that good. Nacho has seen me scum thrice already.

Posted: **Mon Apr 20, 2015 5:12 pm**

↑ Alchemist21 wrote:MS who would you venge if you get lynched?

Ooba because he can be a cuckold when he realised he messes up

And I will order every1 to keep the town block clean

Posted: **Mon Apr 20, 2015 5:14 pm**

and I actually don't want to be lynched lol. I'm not that selfless. Despite me pretending that it's ok (it's not ok)

Posted: **Mon Apr 20, 2015 5:14 pm**

I need to go

Posted: **Mon Apr 20, 2015 5:29 pm**

↑ Metal Sonic wrote:
↑ wgeurts wrote:Also, if you don't honour venge choices.
You've basically shown the town's gone to nothing.
Nacho's plan will never work anymore.

If you don't honour the town block that nacho set,

You have already shown that the town has gone to nothing

And nacho's plan would never have worked from the beginning.

It's not a town bloc if the people in it are constantly being discussed as mafia.
No I don't see the town bloc as nacho's plan.
The lynch sotty >>> Kagami >>> ICE >>> Zar was the plane and if anyone flips town we start vengeful.
I see no ICE lynch, so you can be quiet about the nacho plan.
You've thrown it away as much as I have.

Posted: **Mon Apr 20, 2015 5:29 pm**

Plan not plane stupid autocorrect.

Posted: **Mon Apr 20, 2015 5:32 pm**

↑ Metal Sonic wrote:
↑ Alchemist21 wrote:
↑ Metal Sonic wrote:I won't even comment on this further because any move I make is a barbed on either side.

I think that you and zar are the most likely to be scum, and if you're town, which I can see if I tilt my head at just the right angle, then wgeurts is going to benefit the most.

I'll write more later.

Wait, so you have Ooba and Zar as scum atm?

I am compromising for my life.

Plus, if I'm wrong on ooba then it's wge.

I actually listen to my townreads when many of them agree on something.

I shut down my scumreads

That's nice but I know you're wrong on one, likely so on the other.

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