Abarat Mafia: Mini 1274 - Over

[Faraday]

timeater prob town and should stay. you can keep up w/ 3 games for a while bro.

[Timeater]

okay but dont get mad if I concentrate on other games

im still securing a replacement

[Zang]

You manage 5?

I barely can play 2

Based on the fact that he has barely posted anything in this game, I don't think he can.

Unvote, Vote Oversoul

Why?

VOTE: Faraday

Your last post was devoid of any useful protown content. Clearly a scumtell.

Do you actually believe that this is scummy?

Don't ask questions like this.
There's no point when the answer is already given to you.

Why not? Although I do assume that it is not based on the fact that indecision then posted “Actually, I'm mostly posting just to oblige hito's request for a new page before 9 PM EST.” But they do use the word “mostly” which means that there is another, lesser reason which I thought might be that they find Faraday's post scummy, so I asked if it was.

life. ;_;

Just died in two games so my amount of games is now down to a manageable level of 3.

Unvote, Vote Oversoul

K.

Unvote; Vote: Oversoul

Oh yeah, I can explain the self-vote but it wouldn't really matter since the scum are fucking pussies anyways.

What are your reasons?

Kiwi- Did you ever give your explanation?

[Faraday]

My vote is totally a pressure vote.

(Please note this removes all pressure from my vote so I'm probably lying about my reasons )

Mina just wanted to get my attention. (hi!)

[Timeater]

I've asked hito if I can just hydra with Staeg so he can pick up my slack

[Faraday]

is he the guy w/ the deer avatar?

[Nachomamma8]

Oh yeah, I can explain the self-vote but it wouldn't really matter since the scum are fucking pussies anyways.

Luckily, you're not explaining for the scum's sake.

You still think I'm scum? Why didn't you VOTE me when I self-voted?

Still? Never thought you were.
I didn't vote you when you self-voted because it was an utterly stupid move coming from a player that wasn't terrible. I'm still asking for an explanation.

Why not? Although I do assume that it is not based on the fact that indecision then posted “Actually, I'm mostly posting just to oblige hito's request for a new page before 9 PM EST.” But they do use the word “mostly” which means that there is another, lesser reason which I thought might be that they find Faraday's post scummy, so I asked if it was.

Why do you assume that, especially considering that's what indecision said? And don't you think if there was a serious reason, then Indecision wouldn't immediately downplay that reason and unvote a few seconds later?

[hitogoroshi]

Three in the Afternoon - the island of the Nonce - is a dreamy time. The labors of the day are more than half out, and our thoughts turn to what pleasures the twilight Hours may hopefully provide. Personally I enjoy a siesta around this time, and I can testify to the fact that those who doze in the Nonce do not conjure ordinary dreams. They imagine the Beginning of the World. I have done so myself several times; slept there and dreamed of some Edenic place where there was no enmity, nor division, between plant and animal, angel and man. This suggests to me that there is some validity to the claim (which was made in the highest of metaphysical circles) that the Nonce is the island where life on the archipelago began.

--Klepp's Almenak

VC 9 (Session 1, VC 9)

(4)

Oversoul:

4nxi3ty, Klazam, Faraday, Hinduragi [L-3]
(2)

Zang:

Seraphim, DLG
(1)

Kiwieagle:

Zang
(1)

4nxi3ty

: Oversoul
(1)

Nachomamma8:

Timeater
(1)

Timeater:

Nachomamma8
(0)

Klazam:

(Faraday)

(0)

Hinduragi:

(Hinduragi)

(3)

Not Voting

: kiwieagle, Jase, Indecision

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Automatic Termination of the First Session

(expired on 2011-12-02 00:30:00)

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I've approved timeater's request to join the game as a hydra with Staeg. I will wait on officially replacing until I receive confirmation from the hydra account that it's active.

Jase has been prodded.

[Nachomamma8]

I think its a scumslip because of the careful constructed way he went about it. Its a pretty calculated thing to say for your first post. It also is very wifomy and shady like someone else mentioned, for obvious reasons too. It just doesn't feel genuine to me.

First of all, I don't really see how careful and constructed leads to the greater likelihood of it being a scumslip. If I were scum and I had carefully constructed this post for the RVS, it's decently likely that I would've read it to make sure it sounded how I wanted it to, which means that I definitely would have caught the "us" comment. As for me pre-planning something like that out, that's a null-tell. I'm sure Jase planned out the miller claim when he looked at his role PM, Indecision preplanned their random vote, etc.
As for the "shady and WIFOM" aspects, have you read the exchange between me and Klazam?
I also wouldn't really call that post "genuine". It was a calculated move.

I dont like how you sunk your teeth into obvtown-anxiety, I felt the tunnel was rather 'produced' and ungenuine

Had this been later in the game I might have been less aggressive, but at that point, it was beneficial for me to go balls out on a small thing.

313 feels too safe a method to backout of a kiwi vote, following up with 315 feels like you are just appearing to scumhunt various targets instead of actually doing so

How can I back out of a vote I haven't made?
As for 315, I don't see why you think that I was just appearing to scumhunt instead of actually doing so.

I didnt like the tiny buddy comment directed towards zang

Where was this?

[Faraday]

Indecision do you need to be wagoned to contribute?

[Indecision]

(Equinox)

Sorry. I'm dealing with some school-related stuff right now and haven't had the time for this game. I've asked Mina to take over for a bit and do what she needs to without waiting for me. I'll pitch in when I'm less encumbered.

[Faraday]

Get an avatar slackers!

[Hinduragi]

Game was stalled and needed something. There's a lot of wagon hopping and I needed something solid to go off of. If I got a wagon, great. If I got some reactions, well, just as great. I was hoping for some votes on me. I was copying Elli from Pictomafia since I caught scum due to that. Game's in my wiki. I'm not linking it.

I'm voting Oversoul because it's pretty clear he is scum. From the way he makes excuses and apologies out of nowhere for no apparent reason to the way he didn't bother even checking his vote to the way he popped in instantly as soon as he was called on didn't sit right with me. Also, there's no insta-town feeling like the one I had in RPG Mafia. I was scum in there but my town-feelings are generally the same...or at least I think they are.

[Hinduragi]

timeater prob town and should stay. you can keep up w/ 3 games for a while bro.

Prob town? He's been confirmed town since his post after I voted him.

[Hinduragi]

Seraphim, you have 2 fucking posts. Oversoul, you have 3 minus your excuse ones. Do something. That level of lurking is bullshit, especially when Faraday has 99 fucking posts.

[Gore-Stained Antlers]

This is the hydra we'll be posting under.

Sort of a non sequitor here, but does anyone have examples of Nacho-Scum?

-Tim

[hitogoroshi]

Gore-Stained Antlers replaces Timeater.

[Gore-Stained Antlers]

I'm clearing Faraday and Indecision.

I've got some problems with Hindu. Faraday, could Hindu be scum?

The fact that I have 36 posts and I'm like not even really playing this game (at least not until now) is a

HUGE

problem. Granted we have a few wallers. (tip: walls discourage people - its a bad practice overall so its bad for the town)

First of all, I don't really see how careful and constructed leads to the greater likelihood of it being a scumslip. If I were scum and I had carefully constructed this post for the RVS, it's decently likely that I would've read it to make sure it sounded how I wanted it to, which means that I definitely would have caught the "us" comment. As for me pre-planning something like that out, that's a null-tell. I'm sure Jase planned out the miller claim when he looked at his role PM, Indecision preplanned their random vote, etc.
As for the "shady and WIFOM" aspects, have you read the exchange between me and Klazam?
I also wouldn't really call that post "genuine". It was a calculated move.

Thats a fair point, though its just the sort of thing I would say if I were scum in your position. What I mean by careful and constructed isn't necessarily the effort you went through to actually make the post - more about what you were

saying

. I cant know how fast you typed it or if you thought about it, I can only gauge the intent of the post. And I still dont like it.

Had this been later in the game I might have been less aggressive, but at that point, it was beneficial for me to go balls out on a small thing.

Beneficial why? Really elaborate if you can.

How can I back out of a vote I haven't made?
As for 315, I don't see why you think that I was just appearing to scumhunt instead of actually doing so.

Your interaction with kiwi made it seem like you thought he was pretty scummy. The natural conclusion to that since the Anxiety post was over would be for you to vote for him. Seems pretty lazyish of you given what I've read of your playstyle so far. You aren't the sheep-type of player. 315 just seemed like a quick way to bear some fangs because your target of kiwi was rendered moot by the big boys. I was struck by the convenience of it.

Where was this?

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 9#p3601779
http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 0#p3605830

-Tim

[Faraday]

I've got some problems with Hindu. Faraday, could Hindu be scum?

Nah.

[Gore-Stained Antlers]

Why not?

Did you clear him with telepathy like Fate did?

[DLG]

@ Zang

We can argue about my reason for voting 4nxi3ty all game if you want. You called my vote scummy for various reasons, none of which are true. If you can't grasp the concept of voting him that early for something that looked off, then I don't know what to say.

As for why my reasons were posted so far removed from my vote, I had no reason to post them as such until you tried to misrep my reason as because Nachomamma8 had voted him. 4nxi3ty himself understood the implications and used the wagon on himself to analyze some players involved. Reasonable town play in my opinion. And, I unvoted him the next time I posted after that. And, wonder of wonders, it was my very next post after my vote post. So, 152 posts between, or 1,520,000 posts between, doesn't matter does it? But, you're still trying to give a false impression of things I've done. Why?

Setting aside the things involving just me, you, and 4nxi3ty, your reads/reasons post was vague and used language which gives you the luxury of going whichever way you want with the other players depending on the needs of the moment. When I dug into this, you tried to give a reason, but it led to a contradiction. This is highly indicative of scum, and I notice you chose to drop it from our discussion in favor of focusing on my vote of 4nxi3ty.

Of course, without support, I can't get you lynched, even if you deserve it. Lucky you I don't have the reputation of some other players. I won't give up, though.

I haven't had much Mafia time the last couple of days. I'll try to give some analysis of other players tomorrow.

[kiwieagle]

The oversoul wagon is wtf

as in I dont see where/how/why it started

[4nxi3ty]

I miss the walls

unvote, vote: jase

[Oversoul]

The oversoul wagon is wtf

as in I dont see where/how/why it started

Because I had a crap first vote. And because I was away so it is a nice place to park a vote that doesn't really matter.

Faraday, do you actually want your vote to hold weight?

I'm going to reread this game and give reads and shit. Basically going to start this game new because I really have no idea what I did like 5 days ago lol. And I can't follow my scatter brained train of thought in my notes.

[Faraday]

Faraday, do you actually want your vote to hold weight?