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This is the Bob "slip" you guys have been tunnelling on

In post 203, Bicephalous Bob wrote:I didn't know the exact winning condition of a townie until you stated it

Note the use of the word "exact", as in, he though there was something extra that was not included in the initial role PM. This "extra' piece of information was brought to light by my previous statements where I insisted on wanting to be alive.

When I made those statements, I KNEW I didn't need to be alive in order for the town to win, but I wanted to be alive nonetheless. In my statements, I did not acknowledge this, which made Bob think that a townie would only win when he is still alive at endgame.

Looking at the role PM for a VT. It states that it's town win when all threats to the town have been eliminated. It doesn't state anything about staying alive to GET THE WIN as an individual player. This, along with the fact that he was under the misconception that a townie would only get the win by staying alive, made Bob say that he did not know the exact winning condition of a townie.

Again, not the use of the word "exact"; he knew the winning condition, but he gained a better understanding upon knowing a townie would still win after dying.

EBWOP: last line "Again, (note) the use"

In post 348, Pebro wrote:It'll make the town a lot more quiet. And we'll have less stretched arguments on lynching someone.

what is this

i dont even

You want to make your case much bigger then it actually is. Like in post #344, you want to make it seem NS suddenly turned on you. While there are 90 posts between those posts, with 10 of them from ns.
You can't say in any way NS suddenly changed his mind.

And it's not just there, you make way too noise. Discarding NS rebuttal against your stats, with "BETTER LYNCH NS". Self-voting to magically catch scum. Being overly aggressive and making it all about lynching NS. It seems like you're looking for a reason to lynch just someone instead of finding scum. You might be hurting town more then you help it.

^yfw NS flips scum

priceless

What if NS doesn't flip scum?

I'll commit seppuku

Is there even a possibility that you are wrong yessiree?

I've always had trouble reading NS, and I'm having a hard time believing that you think you can read him so easily.

Not knowing the exact win condition still feels like a slip to me. Even as scum, you know the town win if you lose. Simple as that, my vote stays.

I should make a catch-up post since evryone here posts while I am asleep. Fuck the no walls thing, I have school in a few hours.

JKM, you said that everyone suspecting could be scum latching on to him in 302 but its probably not the case, by virtue of saying that youre calling everyonre suspecting yes as being town? Then aside from yes, who is his partner, if you think yes scum = bob town, which I have no idea how that association was made. Also, by you stating that what you said was said by everyone else, is the parroting I was talking about.

I just loooove how yes calls JKM's above post laughable because its full of attentional and interpretive bias when his posts have been the same damn thing
"Lynch NS for being a bad player"
"Bacde, you seem to be good at hunting" - buddying
"Yo Bacde, how you gonna respond to that?"

Also yes, cockiness isnt a scum tell but cut it out and earn it.
And why self -vote? Because the suspicion of gene wore off when he did it? Now granted, you diodnt have as many votes for you at that time compared to gene, so it maybe isnt one of those tactics, but self voting is only valid if youre scum and only if its a self hammer to devoid town of information. SO why self vote?
"NS will win the game for me?" - I find no town motivation in this post, the fact that you had to say me instead of us, kinda shows a self interest which is anti-town in itself. Are you playing for town or are you playing to survive?

JKM, why would you think they are bussing?

CDB's vote is weird, JKM asks why isnt everyone voting for yessirree, then one post later he votes for yessirree, and after yes's self vote. Does the self vote make him scum? But anyway, do you think Bob is town now?

323 "I say we found a whole in your logic." I could see this as newb scum saying "Me and my partner found a whole in your logic"
Its ironic you called NS for tunneling

Bacde, a lot of people say NS is scum. You think he is town, but you've doubted it because you've never thought of him as town? So whats different? Also by saying this are you saying he is "too towny to be town"? I've never played with NS and I think he's town in this game.

So Bacde expresses suspicion of yes's self vote, then says you dont like the wagon. What?

NS's reasons for why yes is scum and yes's reasons for why NS is scum are both playstyle tells. SMH.

Pebro: "I dont think jumping wagons is necessarily scummy" while voting for someone who jumped a band wagon after asking yes why he suspected that person. Fishy.

I highly doubt NS and yes are scum together, nobody busses day 1 in newbies unless one is at L-1.

DrP, you, you are town

I can be suspicious of a self-vote but not support a wagon, damnit! I don't feel like yessirree is getting wagoned for the right reasons, which makes me not like the wagon in general.

Also, I don't think NS is "too townie to be town". I hate that argument. Hate hate hate it. I just think its weird that I'm reading him as town, when I've only ever read him as null or scum in games I've played w/ him before (and he was town in those games). Just something for me to ponder.

Anyway my vote has been inactive for too long so

VOTE: Bob

In post 358, DoctorPepper wrote:Not knowing the exact win condition still feels like a slip to me. Even as scum, you know the town win if you lose. Simple as that, my vote stays.

Are you saying that mafioso, even when they don't read the town PM, know what the exact town win condition is? That is the exact opposite of what you're accusing me of.

Right now, I'm pretty sure NS is scum. It took him less than an hour to completely change his mind about me and my slip:

In post 333, Bacde wrote:I'm not the biggest fan of the yessirree wagon

I don't know why, it doesn't feel right to me

What happened to people wagoning Bob for a slip? Are you guys convinced that its not a slip now? Because slips don't come from town, so I'm having a hard time believing that someone who was previously convinced that Bob slipped would have switched wagons.

In post 335, Nobody Special wrote:Truth be told, I switched to yessiree because he's an irritating little shit who also happens to be scum.

I also think Bob is still scum.

So many choices.


P-Edit: I am not above explaining myself, my previous thing was about defending myself. Subtle difference.

In post 339, Bacde wrote:What about Bob's slip?

Do you think that arrogance/use of statistics/survivalistic attitude is more indicative of being scum than a scumslip?

In post 340, Nobody Special wrote:I've been thinking about Bob's supposed scumslip for a few days. I've been going back to my first days playing Mafia (not here.... about 6 years ago) and while I honestly can't recall if I had the exact question (whether I had to be alive to win), I do remember my mindset when being presented with the newness of Mafia. Questioning whether I had to be alive to win would not have been an absurd question, to my mind.

TL;DR: Bob's 'slip' is not really so much. Still ready to hang yessiree.

After Bacde said it's illogical to think one person has slipped and vote for another, NS suddenly makes up his mind and says it isn't a slip at all. His explanation for this point of view was so strong and convinced, I can hardly believe he thought otherwise for such a long time. Especially because he didn't give any kind of argumentation back in the day when he did say it was a scumslip:

In post 238, Nobody Special wrote:

unvote

Vote: Bi-Bob

Yep, that's a scumsllip.

Im saying a new player in his first game has probably on read one role PM in his whole MS career would have made that slip

Besides, youre just twisting my words. Its obvious that scum know that they win if town loses. They cant both win, duh. Guys, he answered terribly to that, lets just lynch bob now, Im sure he's scum

Bacde, are you a female IRL? Because your posts sound very feminine.

In post 363, yessiree wrote:Bacde, are you a female IRL? Because your posts sound very feminine.

#thingsthatdontmatter

I owe this game more attention than I am currently paying to it. Going through now and I'll post where I am on as many people as possible.

LOL you can't see things like how a master sees, stand aside. Bacde's gender is VITAL to determining who are the scums.

No it is not, its interesting, yes/ But its for after game discussion, not now.

CDB, I'll save you the time. Vote Bob. Everyone else, follow

In post 358, DoctorPepper wrote:CDB's vote is weird, JKM asks why isnt everyone voting for yessirree, then one post later he votes for yessirree, and after yes's self vote. Does the self vote make him scum? But anyway, do you think Bob is town now?

Do I think Bob is town? I haven't decided yet. Prior to the "slip", I had no read on him. His explanation in 254 made sense to me for why he would need clarification on the town wincon so I don't think it was a scumslip anymore, hence my read reverting to "TBC". I'm not ruling out Bob as scum yet, just ruling out a lynch for the slip.

Meanwhile, I still had a scumread on yessiree - reasons detailed here - then I came in on page 13 after a bit of inactivity and saw yessiree's self-vote. It's not that the self-vote itself is scummy - compare to gene - but the way in which he did it, being loud and grandstanding and almost doing it as a dare. There's a disingenuousness about his behaviour that I think is more likely to come from someone enjoying being scum than it is to come from town.

And then I go back to thoroughly reading the last few pages and I see things like this that just make me think that yessiree really isn't all that concerned with lynching scum and I just get happier with my vote.

OK, I haven't really missed too much other than yessiree being scum and NS being town. Bob be scum but I'm much, much more confident in yessiree. DoctorPepper is supertown, Bacde remains town, pebro's probably town - I like how he's trying to be proactive, while noting that yessiree keeps trying to shut that down.

It's cool that CDB wants to lynch me. I'm going to wait for another vote on me before I make a serious comment.

In post 363, yessiree wrote:Bacde, are you a female IRL? Because your posts sound very feminine.

lol

not a chance I'm answering this

Would scum be playing like this? I'm not sure I've ever seen the scum be the loudest and the weirdest player in the room.

I can definitely agree that I don't feel like yessirree is helping us find scum. It might not be a bad d1 lynch.

In post 372, Bacde wrote:Would scum be playing like this? I'm not sure I've ever seen the scum be the loudest and the weirdest player in the room.

Without being able to summon a particular example from memory, I'm pretty sure I have seen similar before but, even if not, yessiree is a newbie and we don't have any historical evidence either way on whether or not would do it.

As Rika said in post #324, it doesn't make sense as any alignment. Why would scum do it more likely then town?