In post 230, pieguyn wrote:how sure are you of Skull town when there's no scumgames to compare it against to make sure she can't fake?
In post 242, pieguyn wrote:and how sure are you of Skull town? the only thing giving me reservations about her is that it's a meta-based read and she doesn't have any scumgames to verify she can't fake as scum. I assume you don't think she can fake this kind of posting as scum right
Would it help if I said that I'm terrible at being Scum because I have the worst poker face ever or would you be more inclined to just brush that away as WIFOM? Either way, I'll go on record right now and say that if I was Scum, a substantial chunk of the player list would be Scum-reading me by now. Take it or leave it.
In post 230, pieguyn wrote:scum are more aware of super-saints and you're the first to bring it up
How and why are Scum more aware of Town-aligned Super Saints? More aware than whom?
In RVS? No, not really. Why did you vote for Brian? What do you make of his own self-vote (which he made outside of RVS, I should point out)?
How far does this logic extend? Are you willing to believe whatever he says because "It's Mastin"?
In post 236, Cephrir wrote:You're going to be a moonlogic person, aren't you. I mean yes Scarlet does kinda suck so far, but isolating the first three seems really arbitrary. Why is it the case that scum would be on the beginning of their buddy's wagon? Those votes were more RVS than the others if anything.
..."moonlogic"?
You saw how fast the Brian wagon developed. If you're Scum (giving you the benefit of the doubt here and assuming you aren't) and you see that wagon get five or six votes, do you jump on it or do you stay the fuck away from it for fear of looking like opportunistic bandwagon-jumping Scum? You stay away from it. If you placed a vote on him early, you did so without knowing that the wagon would escalate so quickly because you (presumably) have no way of looking into the future. If there is Scum on the Brian wagon (and I think it's a pretty safe bet to say that there are), they're more likely to be at the beginning than the middle or the end. Do you follow me?
Do you object to my Flandre vote? Has he made enough Towny contributions to the game to deserve a pass?
In post 236, Cephrir wrote:Second point: You seemed more confident he was scum than I felt was reasonable. Though as you put it to Aegor, I don't know that all nine of the others were necessarily okay, I just can't pick out which one(s) are actually the bad ones.
Fair enough. Speaking of Aegor, what do you think about him piggybacking off your suspicion of me in
159 and asking you why you aren't voting for me in
208? It looks like he's trying to add fuel to the fire and keep us at odds. Do you get the same impression?
In post 236, Cephrir wrote:I'm trying to resist getting warm fuzzies for you from this because I know how susceptible I am to townreading people just because they get me right.
Embrace the fuzzies.
Embrace them.
In post 255, mastin2 wrote: In post 228, Skullduggery wrote:Can you go into a bit more detail about why you find Cephrir scummy? He's a tentative Town read of mine since his suspicion of me seems to be coming from a Town mindset, so I'm interested in hearing counter-arguments to either solidify or change this read, and I believe you're the first person to express suspicion of Cephrir.
Not right now, but maybe later. Basically, he could be town, but his posting feels like scum manipulating things rather than town scumhunting.
Do you get this feeling from anybody else?
In post 255, mastin2 wrote:
So? (And technically speaking, there was more than just the vote.)
So is that all it takes to be considered a rock-solid Town read or do you have other reasons to be so confident about his alignment?
At the time you listed SSK as Town, he had only made three posts:
48,
49, and
50. I don't see how you get a Town read from that, which means that you must be seeing something that I'm not. I would like to know what that something is.
In post 262, Kazekirimaru wrote: In post 228, Skullduggery wrote:I wouldn't have voted for Brian if I didn't think he was Scum, so I'm looking more closely at the second scenario right now. The first three people on the Brian wagon were Kaze, Pieguyn, and Flandre. Of those three, Flandre is making me the most uncomfortable. I see nothing but fluff, a naked vote, and what looks like an attempt to produce content just for the sake of producing content.
And my reasoning was so much better?
Not particularly, no. I just think that between the three of you, Flandre has the best chance of flipping Scum. What do you think of Flandre's contributions to the game thus far?
In post 298, Kazekirimaru wrote:But I must admit...this feels off. Mastin is supposedly one of the most experienced players around. To be felled by such a thing as this? I don't know. I'd expect scum-Mastin to have more chops than that.
Not to mention one would expect scum to contrive reasoning when pressured. Mastin is literally saying "It is because it feels that way and that's all I got." Not even an ounce of fuck-giving. Would scum be so brash as to just put down reads with no reasoning and not even bother to explain? Even when pressured? It wouldn't be the first time I've seen scum just take the "I don't care" route, but I'm not sure it would come from Mastin.
I've got a serious case of the Thisfeelstooeasys.
Someone help.
I'm getting similar feelings about Mastin, which is why I haven't joined that wagon. If Mastin does get lynched and flips Town, where would you be likely to look to find Scum?
Including your own? Because if so, that would be a contradiction to what you said in
118, where you listed Scum as anyone on your wagon that you weren't familiar with (Flandre, Kagami, Metal Sonic, and Varsoon). Do you think your wagon was primarily Town-driven or Scum-driven? It can't be both, but that's what it sounds like you're saying.
Doubtful. Scum-Varsoon isn't the lurking type.
This vote is just as much of a stretch as the last. You are voting Flandre because she nakedly voted someone who