Posted: Thu Aug 29, 2019 7:01 am
I didn't say the PR claim was sus, I based my scumread on the behavioral red flag of "just lynch me already." But it was just a scumread, nothing more.
UNVOTE: Dyrenz
UNVOTE: Dyrenz
Can you try to sell me on one of these please? Not looking for a full case, just a summary of things I should be looking at.In post 318, skitter30 wrote:Now can we all find somewhere else to push, like farren or norwegian? Ty
UNVOTE: DyrenzIn post 311, Dyrenz wrote:Eh, fuck it.
I'm Town Friendly Neighbor so we're obviously in B
There's a Mafia Rolecop, guaranteed.
Other PR is Tracker or Jailkeeper. Speculating this is hardly inappropriate since they're the only 2 options given my own role.
Eh. Getting emotional is understandable. I don't think anyone with experience at this is going to say they don't understand. I'm certainly not.In post 308, Dyrenz wrote:*sigh*
I'm sorry. I really am. I'm being overly emotional and letting those feelings drive what I write. I get frustrated. I'm sure anyone who is still just trying to learn how to play a good town game would get frustrated when everything they try to do gets thrown back in their face as wrong or false. Makes me feel like an idiot. Maybe I'm just too thin-skinned for this game. Idk. I'm gonna try to continue to do what I can to scumhunt, but I'm getting sick of feeling like I have to constantly defend myself on every page, especially when I know I'm town and I'm trying so hard to communicate that in my actions.
So again, I apologize for being so bad at this. My first game I was really meek and careful, and I tried to be more confident in my play this game and all it has done is blow up in my face. Sorry everyone.
A: Disagree, at least in the case where you have exactly two scumreads. If they're not a valid potential team, it means at least one of them is wrong. It's more likely to be helpful later, yes, but that doesn't mean it's useless now.In post 314, skitter30 wrote:I didnt like the bit where you asked if he thought his two scumreads were the team
A) that's a bad approach to take to scumhunting at this stage of the game, preflips. Just like for scum individually, for the most part, it's not really helpful to try to shoe-horn both reads into a scumread at this stage
B) i'm not sure how to articulate it exactly, but it kinda felt like a leading question
No point in criticizing Dyrenz's choice to claim now, unless you're making a scumcase out of it - which clearly you're not.In post 318, skitter30 wrote:Sigh
Dyrenz is town
You should not have claimed this early
Now can we all find somewhere else to push, like farren or norwegian? Ty
Specifically, calling out chemist for "Aggression." Post 63 itself is aggressive tonally. Calling out someone for a particular scummy behavior while doing that same scummy behavior is a strong sign of scum.In post 63, NorwegianboyEE wrote:You call it RVS, i have a different name for it. Aggression.
I don't know what kind of culture exists at this site, but where i come from we generally frown upon people that meekly follow the whims of the masses in feeding baseless bandwagons. Even if you don't turn out to be scum, i doubt the town would be overly harmed by one mislynch of this caliber.
"more outgoing," "erratic or obsessive" sounds like what I'd define as aggressive behavior - at least when put together like that.In post 214, NorwegianboyEE wrote:You are correct. My posts tend to be more reactive in general. It’s the way i play most of the time. I’ve tried to be more outgoing before but it usually ends in me getting lynched by mafia because i might get erratic or obsessive over those i believe to be mafia. Therefore i am intentionally trying to tone down my language and behaviour so i can stay more calm and collected about this whole thing.
The tldr version is:In post 351, Micc wrote:Can you try to sell me on one of these please? Not looking for a full case, just a summary of things I should be looking at.In post 318, skitter30 wrote:Now can we all find somewhere else to push, like farren or norwegian? Ty
Right, and in this context i think the pr claim is townier (/less likely to come from scum) than how scummy this attitude isIn post 350, Leucosticte wrote:I didn't say the PR claim was sus, I based my scumread on the behavioral red flag of "just lynch me already." But it was just a scumread, nothing more.
UNVOTE: Dyrenz
I've given it multiple times nowIn post 354, NorwegianboyEE wrote:Skitter30, if you have a valid reason for scumreading me i would like to hear it.
A) i generally believe that on day1 there isnt enough info to ascertain whether or not a scumteam is possible or not, which is why i dont think this is a fruitful train of thought day1In post 357, Farren wrote:A: Disagree, at least in the case where you have exactly two scumreads. If they're not a valid potential team, it means at least one of them is wrong. It's more likely to be helpful later, yes, but that doesn't mean it's useless now.In post 314, skitter30 wrote:I didnt like the bit where you asked if he thought his two scumreads were the team
A) that's a bad approach to take to scumhunting at this stage of the game, preflips. Just like for scum individually, for the most part, it's not really helpful to try to shoe-horn both reads into a scumread at this stage
B) i'm not sure how to articulate it exactly, but it kinda felt like a leading question
B: If the answer was yes, then there'd be follow-up, unless it was explained sufficiently from the get-go. If the answer was no, then it'd prompt a suggestion to re-evaluate the reads. If the answer was uncertain, then I probably table it until there's more certainty. Not a leading question.
This?In post 270, Jamelia wrote:Right now my vote is for:
VOTE: Chemist
Based off of everything I do think that voting for Chemist will reveal more than just them being mafia/town. I think their posts don't necessarily hold as much merit as other people, especially when (in my opinion) he is acting more defensive than trying to be proactive on who is scum/town-sided.
Leucosticte: I didn't see an answer to this question.In post 317, skitter30 wrote:A) where did this happen?In post 303, Leucosticte wrote:Plus if he's gonna single me out as the most sus, I should probably return the favor and make him justify it more if he wants my vote shifted elsewhere.
UNVOTE: Mr Oobsy
VOTE: Chemist1422
B) why is this a voteworthy offense?
I thought Norweigan was actually doing that more than Jamelia but I can see where you're coming from on this readIn post 368, Dyrenz wrote:Guys I don't know what to do now, my only lean now is on Jamelia and that's mostly for a combination of low effort posting and continuing to push Chemist without really adding new reasons to lynch. I guess for now I'll just...
UNVOTE: Luecosticte
VOTE: Jamelia
Everyone else seems to be contributing at least somewhat. Maybe the more experienced players are gaining better insight than I am on what is truly productive and what is just text for the sake of text.
Interesting, you're right. But what if someone gets healedIn post 300, Micc wrote:Sure if someone gets healed you gain half a day. If two people get healed you gain another half day and end up back where you started.In post 295, Mr Oobsy wrote:Unless someone gets healed.
I retract that in light ofIn post 316, skitter30 wrote:What's the point if even playing the game then?In post 295, Mr Oobsy wrote:I will consider today's votes as meaningless. Likewise for the discussion surrounding them.
Jeez, Day 1 PR. Good man! This should be a staple of every match. I've been so lonely as the only claim, and if anyone disagrees with our decision they are just a bunch of monkeysIn post 311, Dyrenz wrote:Eh, fuck it.
I'm Town Friendly Neighbor so we're obviously in B
There's a Mafia Rolecop, guaranteed.
Other PR is Tracker or Jailkeeper. Speculating this is hardly inappropriate since they're the only 2 options given my own role.
And now back to me for your everlasting list of targets.In post 368, Dyrenz wrote:Guys I don't know what to do now, my only lean now is on Jamelia and that's mostly for a combination of low effort posting and continuing to push Chemist without really adding new reasons to lynch. I guess for now I'll just...
UNVOTE: Luecosticte
VOTE: Jamelia
Everyone else seems to be contributing at least somewhat. Maybe the more experienced players are gaining better insight than I am on what is truly productive and what is just text for the sake of text.
So wait if you're not pushing me then you don't want me lynched correctIn post 371, Jamelia wrote:And now back to me for your everlasting list of targets.In post 368, Dyrenz wrote:Guys I don't know what to do now, my only lean now is on Jamelia and that's mostly for a combination of low effort posting and continuing to push Chemist without really adding new reasons to lynch. I guess for now I'll just...
UNVOTE: Luecosticte
VOTE: Jamelia
Everyone else seems to be contributing at least somewhat. Maybe the more experienced players are gaining better insight than I am on what is truly productive and what is just text for the sake of text.
I’m not low effort posting, I’m trying to contribute to the analysis of fighting and explanations from people because I haven’t had many follow up questions to my posts and when I do give analysis, it’s either ignored or brushed past.
I’m also not “pushing” for chemist. In my opinion if we’re voting based on who we all think is the most “scum acting” so far, my vote is for Chemist. I’m not trying to change anyone opinions on it, but no one has convinced me that someone else has been scummier than them.
Don’t play semantics and twist my words, please. The argument was that I was “pushing” you to be the target and being adamant about you being lynched. That’s not my feelings and I stated that.In post 372, Chemist1422 wrote:So wait if you're not pushing me then you don't want me lynched correctIn post 371, Jamelia wrote:And now back to me for your everlasting list of targets.In post 368, Dyrenz wrote:Guys I don't know what to do now, my only lean now is on Jamelia and that's mostly for a combination of low effort posting and continuing to push Chemist without really adding new reasons to lynch. I guess for now I'll just...
UNVOTE: Luecosticte
VOTE: Jamelia
Everyone else seems to be contributing at least somewhat. Maybe the more experienced players are gaining better insight than I am on what is truly productive and what is just text for the sake of text.
I’m not low effort posting, I’m trying to contribute to the analysis of fighting and explanations from people because I haven’t had many follow up questions to my posts and when I do give analysis, it’s either ignored or brushed past.
I’m also not “pushing” for chemist. In my opinion if we’re voting based on who we all think is the most “scum acting” so far, my vote is for Chemist. I’m not trying to change anyone opinions on it, but no one has convinced me that someone else has been scummier than them.
Because if not they why aren't you pushing me, and if so why aren't you if you think I'm the scummiest?