Newbie 1953 | Zooborns IV | Game Over

[Plotinus]

Newbie 1953 | Zooborns IV

Hello. In this game I'll be showing pictures of cute baby zoo animals.
Such as these red panda twins.

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Moderated by Plotinus

Original Playerlist:

1. 1) Farren
   2) Jamelia
   3) Leucosticte
   4) mmiscrazy12
   5) Dyrenz
   6) Mr Oobsy
   7) Micc (SE)
   8) Chemist1422 (SE)
   9) skitter30 (SE)

Spoiler: Game Reveals (9)

1. 4) NorwegianBoyEE

   replaces mmiscrazy12, who didn't open their role PM

   , vanilla townie, lynched day 1, but won posthumously!
   
   
   5) Dyrenz, town friendly neighbor, killed night 1, but won posthumously!
   
   
   8) Chemist1422 (SE), mafia rolecop, lynched day 2
   
   
   6) Mr Oobsy¹, town tracker, killed night 2, but won posthumously!
   
   
   3) Leucosticte², mafia goon, lynched day 3
   

   1) Farren, vanilla townie, survived and won!
   2) Jamelia¹, vanilla townie, survived and won!
   7) Micc¹ (SE), vanilla townie, survived and won!
   9) skitter30 (SE), vanilla townie, survived and won!

Spoiler: Spectators (2)

• hubris
  
• tictac

Events

5 - Day 1
55 - NorwegianboyEE replaces mmiscrazy12
529 - NorwegianboyEE is lynched, Night 1 begins
533 - Dryenz is killed, Day 2 begins
670 - Chemist1422 is lynched, Night 2 begins
672 - Mr Ooby is killed, Day 3 begins
828 - Leucosticte is lynched, game over
830 - Game Events, links to PTs

[Plotinus]

Rules

Inspired by Equinox's, Glork's and Ether's rulesets.

important bit

• Day 1: up to 10 days, Day 2+ up to 7 days, Night: 48 hours.
  
• Majority lynches
  
• 36 hours before prod, 24 hours before replacement, 24 hour weekends
  
• Bah posts allowed (limit: 1, free of game related content)
  
• I have some unusual rules about animated GIFs, tiny text, and prodging. Scroll down for details.
  
• Don’t be a dick

1. Follow all site rules.
   
   
2. Mod colour
   – My mod colour is
   grey
   ; don't use it.
   
3. Behaviour
   - Don’t be a dick. This is a heated game but toxicity will not be tolerated. Attack the play not the player. If your fellow players tell you to stop, you must stop. If you do not stop, I will tell you to stop. If you still do not stop, you will be force-replaced. Asking people to stop voting you or to stop scumhunting you entirely doesn't count for this rule and you may find yourself lynched if you try it.
   
4. Don't talk about ongoing games
   - You may not talk to each other about this game outside of threads I have created for this purpose. You may not talk about other ongoing games in this thread.
   
5. Animated GIFs
   - are of the devil, but they are permitted behind spoilers if clearly labelled as such.
   
6. Tiny text
   - is also of the devil, keep it 70+ please.
   
7. Provable randomness
   - is against the rules. Saying that you rolled a dice is fine, using dice tags or random.org is not.
   
8. Claiming scum
   - by yourself is fine. Claiming scum with another player is against the rules.
   
9. Cryptography
   - is forbidden. Breadcrumbing is okay.
   
10. Confirmation
    - You have about 72 hours to confirm your role and your alignment by PM. Game will start sooner if everyone confirms. Posting in a private topic counts as confirmation.
    
11. Days
    - Day 1 lasts 10 days and other days last 7 days. Extensions may be granted if there are replacements, or if the majority of players make it clear to me that an extension is desired.
    
12. Activity
    - You must post at least once every 36 hours or I will Prod you. You then have 24 hours to post in the game thread or I will replace you. If you come back before I find a replacement, you can stay. The activity timers run at half-speed on weekends. Players can request me to prod somebody early. This will only count as an official prod if you don't post before you would have been due for a prod. If you haven't posted in the 24 hours before the thread is locked for night, you must reply to the night start PM or you will be replaced during the night.
    
13. Vacation/Limited Access
    If you need to be absent for longer than this, you should declare
    V/LA
    in bold in the thread like this: [
    b]

    @Mod: I will be v/la until Thursday

    [
    /b]. While you are V/LA, you will be nudged once every 54 hours. Two nudges equals one prod. If you have not posted game advancing content in 5 days, regardless of V/LA status, you will be replaced.
    
14. Prodging
    - A naked "prod dodge" does not reset the prod timer. To avoid being prodded/replaced for inactivity, include some game advancing content in your prodges, such as "got prodded; xxxx is still scum."
    
15. Quoting
    - You may not quote (or copy paste) any private information into the thread, including your role PM and any mod communication.
    
16. Voting
    - Votes must be in bold in the format VOTE: Plotinus or
    Vote: Plotinus
    . Strong preference for using vote tags instead of bold tags. Unvotes are nice but not required. If I think it’s a vote, it’s a vote, no tricks. Type [
    v]Plotinus[
    /v] to vote and [
    uv]Plotinus[
    /uv] to unvote.
    
17. Lynching
    - Days end early when a simple majority of players (50% of living players + 1 rounded down) vote to lynch somebody. If a majority is not reached at deadline or if a majority of the players vote for no lynch, the day will end without a lynch. At evens, 50% is sufficient for no lynch.
    
18. Twilight
    - Begins when a majority is reached and lasts until I lock the thread. You're still alive until I flip you so you can talk in any game threads you have access to until then, but no votes or unvotes will be counted.
    
19. Night
    - Night lasts at least 48 hours. The night phase can be shortened if every living player -- even those with no night actions -- agrees to it and if I'm not busy.
    
20. Action submissions
    - You may submit actions via PM (if town) or PT (if scum). If the actions are not submitted by the deadline then you do nothing. You can change your mind as many times as you like before the deadline.
    
21. Reminders
    - If I don't hear from you about your night actions, I'll PM you 24 hours before the deadline. This doesn't count as a prod. If I still don't hear from you, you will take no action.
    
22. Notes PT
    - Let me know if you want a private thread to store your thoughts and feedback for the other players. This thread will be made public immediately after the game. You may draft posts in your notes PT but you may not talk about your notes PT in public. You definitely may not use the notes PT to demonstrate that you've had a town mindset in private all along; just put your town mindset in public to begin with and keep your notes to yourself.
    
23. Play to win
    - this particular game, not some future one, and keep it fun!

[Plotinus]

Setup Info

Newbie Setup

Newbie Setup

NewD3 (as designed by RadiantCowbells):

	A	B	C
Mafia	Mafia Roleblocker	Mafia Rolecop	Mafia Goon
Row 1	Town Cop and Town Doctor	Town Tracker and Town Friendly Neighbor	Town Cop and Vanilla Townie
Row 2	Town Jailkeeper and Town Tracker	Town Jailkeeper and Town Friendly Neighbor	Town Jailkeeper and Vanilla Townie
Row 3	Town Mason and Town Mason	Town Tracker and Town Doctor	Town Mason and Town Mason

Each Newbie Game will be given a setup that incorporates one mafia role from the top of a column, and then two town roles from a row below the selected mafia role. The remaining six roles will be filled in by

one mafia goon

and

five vanilla townies

appropriately, to create a

2-mafia

and

7-town

setup.

All Newbie games use the Natural Action Resolution system for determining Night action effects.

Mafia Roleblocker

action takes precedence over a

Town Jailkeeper

action should that apply.

Mafia are able to communicate in their Private Topic at all times.

Spoiler: Full Setups

Column A & Row 1:

Mafia Roleblocker, Mafia Goon, Town Cop, Town Doctor, Vanilla Townie x 5

Column A & Row 2:

Mafia Roleblocker, Mafia Goon, Town Jailkeeper, Town Tracker, Vanilla Townie x 5

Column A & Row 3:

Mafia Roleblocker, Mafia Goon, Town Mason x2, Vanilla Townie x 5

Column B & Row 1:

Mafia Rolecop, Mafia Goon, Town Tracker, Town Friendly Neighbor, Vanilla Townie x 5

Column B & Row 2:

Mafia Rolecop, Mafia Goon, Town Jailkeeper, Town Friendly Neighbor, Vanilla Townie x 5

Column B & Row 3:

Mafia Rolecop, Mafia Goon, Town Tracker, Town Doctor, Vanilla Townie x 5

Column C & Row 1:

Mafia Goon x 2, Town Cop, Vanilla Townie x 6

Column C & Row 2:

Mafia Goon x 2, Town Jailkeeper, Vanilla Townie x 6

Column C & Row 3:

Mafia Goon x 2, Town Mason x2, Vanilla Townie x 5

Spoiler: Role PMs

Vanilla Townie

Welcome!

You are a

Vanilla Townie

.

You have no special abilities.

You win when all threats to the Town have been eliminated.

The game thread is here.

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment.

Town Jailkeeper

Welcome!

You are a

Town Jailkeeper

.

You may target one player per night phase. This player will be protected from kills and be prevented from using their own action, if they have one, during that night phase. You cannot target yourself.

You win when all threats to the Town have been eliminated.

The game thread is here.

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment.

Town Cop

Welcome!

You are a

Town Cop

.

You may target one player per night phase. At the end of the night phase, you will be informed if they are

Town

or

Mafia

. If you are roleblocked, you will receive no result.

You win when all threats to the Town have been eliminated.

The game thread is here.

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment.

Town Mason

Welcome!

You are a

Town Mason

.

You know that [[Mason2]] is Town-aligned. You also share a Private Thread (PT), located ]here, where you may talk at any time.

You have no active abilities.

You win when all threats to the Town have been eliminated.

The game thread is here.

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment or by posting in your PT.

Town Tracker

Welcome!

You are a

Town Tracker

.

You may target one player per night phase. At the end of the night phase, you will be informed what player or players they targeted with their action, if any. If you are roleblocked, you will receive no result.

You win when all threats to the Town have been eliminated.

The game thread is here.

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment.

Town Doctor

Welcome!

You are a

Town Doctor

.

You may target one player per night phase. This player will be protected from kills during that night phase. You cannot target yourself.

You win when all threats to the Town have been eliminated.

The game thread is here.

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment.

Town Friendly Neighbor

You are a

Town Friendly Neighbor

.

You may target one player per night phase. This player will be sent a message informing them that you are Town-aligned.

You win when all threats to the Town have been eliminated.

The game thread is here.

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment.

Mafia Goon

Welcome!

You are a

Mafia Goon

.

You and your partner share a factional kill each night. You must choose which of you will commit the kill. You also share a factional PT, located here, where you may talk at any time.

You win when the Town has been eliminated, or nothing can stop this from occurring.

The game thread is here.

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment or by posting in your PT.

Mafia Rolecop

Welcome!

You are a

Mafia Rolecop

.

You may target one player per night phase. At the end of the night phase, you will be informed of their role but not their alignment.

Vanilla Townies

and

Mafia Goons

will both return "Vanilla". If you are roleblocked, you will receive no result.

You and your partner share a factional kill each night. You must choose which of you will commit the kill. You may commit the kill and perform a role cop in the same night phase. You also share a factional PT, located here, where you may talk at any time.

You win when the Town has been eliminated, or nothing can stop this from occurring.

The game thread is here.

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment or by posting in your PT.

Mafia Roleblocker

Welcome!

You are a

Mafia Roleblocker

.

You may target one player per night. This player will be prevented from performing their own action, if any.

You and your partner share a factional kill each night. You must choose which of you will commit the kill. You may commit the kill and perform a roleblock in the same night phase. You also share a factional PT, located here, where you may talk at any time.

You win when the Town has been eliminated, or nothing can stop this from occurring.

The game thread is here.

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment or by posting in your PT.

[Plotinus]

Introduction and Tips

Here are some helpful links (a lot of them from our helpful wiki):

-> Forum Rules and Guidelines
-> The Glossary
-> Commonly Used Abbreviations
-> The Newbie Guide
-> Articles on How to Play Well (be sure to check the dates these were written/updated, as good advice changes over time)

Key Concepts and Tips

Activity

Try to check in at least once a day.

Besides the activity requirements listed in the moderator's original post, it's just necessary for a fun and healthy game that everyone

plays

. If you post very rarely, or only post a little bit at a time, you may get scumread for lurking. Even if you are not scumread for it, what's the fun in playing a game where multiple people are hardly participating?

Site Meta

Meta is the description of how people on Mafiascum like to play mafia. Things can be different on other online mafia sites, or if you play IRL, so it's good to know what's expected of you on this site. These aren't "rules", per se, but if you don't follow these guidelines it is likely things will go poorly for you on MS. Some examples are...

Random Voting Stage (RVS)

Games on MafiaScum almost always begin with what we call the Random Voting Stage (RVS). At this point in the game, we are in a low information game state (except the mafia, which know everyone’s alignment). As a way to provoke reaction, start a discussion, and try to determine alignment, people will usually vote for non-serious reasons. As the discussion progresses, we will eventually get the game moving and progress out of RVS.

Voting, L-x, and Hammers

L-x is a way to convey how far away a player is away from a lynch. For example, you should always announce that you are putting someone at L-1 (1 vote away from a lynch) so that someone doesn’t come along and accidentally vote for that players lynch. This also prevents Mafia-aligned players from coming along and placing the final vote to lynch (“hammer”) and claiming ignorance about doing so. You may also see L-2 and L-3 (2 votes away from a lynch and 3 votes away from a lynch, respectively).

Before you hammer a player, state your intent to hammer (usually done in bold) and ask the player to claim their role. This is done to prevent power roles from being lynched, and can sometimes get Mafia-aligned players to be caught (via counter claiming). It's best to then allow other players to react and discuss the claim before hammering.

Claiming Your Role

It is almost always best to not claim your role unless you are at L-1 and have been asked to claim as part of an “intent to hammer.” This is because, as a town power role (“PR”), if you out prematurely, you are likely to be night-killed (“NK’d”). As a Vanilla Townie (“VT”), claiming early helps the mafia team narrow down the setup and possible PR candidates. An exception to this would be if a mafia player claimed your role, claiming early to counter the false claim (“CC”) would out the mafia player, and would be a benefit to the town.

Do not fake claim a power role as town!

While it may help you avoid getting lynched, you might cause a real PR to out themselves by counter claiming - then the mafia will know who the PR is, and you will probably get lynched for lying to town. Feel free to fake a claim as scum, though, if you think it would help.

LyLo

LyLo is the shortened representation of “lynch or lose.” LyLo in the Newbie Queue is when there are 3 remaining players, 2 of which are town and 1 is mafia; or when there are 5 remaining players, 3 of which are town and 2 are mafia. It is important in these situations that the town aligned players do not carelessly vote like is done during RVS or early days, as the mafia player(s) can organize and instantly provide the necessary votes to lynch (“quickhammer”) and win the game.

Conclusion

Mafia is hard!

As town, it can be hard to figure things out, and stressful when people think you're scum.

That's okay!

Just share your thoughts on who you think is scum as they come to you, and don't be afraid to change your mind. As scum, it can be hard to lie convincingly, and stressful when people think you're scum. Don't let that scare you! Try to think of what you would post if you were town, and don't be afraid to "change your mind".

This is a game.

Have fun!

[Plotinus]

All role PMs have been sent out (in the order of the signup list so timestamps mean nothing)! We will start in (expired on 2019-08-26 15:15:00) or when [8/9] people have confirmed, whichever happens sooner.

The above clock and any others used throughout this game will be accurate from the time you loaded the page.

[Plotinus]

Official Vote Count 1.00

Baby gorilla

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Lynching

With 9 votes in play, it takes 5 to lynch.

Everybody

(0): Nobody

Not Voting

(9): Farren, Jamelia, Leucosticte, mmiscrazy12, Dyrenz, Mr Oobsy, Micc, Chemist1422, skitter30

Deadline:

(expired on 2019-09-04 23:00:00).

Mod notes:

Everyone except for mmiscrazy12 is here, so we can get started early. mmiscrazy12 has another (expired on 2019-08-26 15:15:00) to remember mafiascum exists before I start looking for a replacement.

Please take a moment to familiarise yourselves with my ruleset because I have some rules you may not have encountered in other games before regarding animated gifs, tiny text, prodging and perhaps some other things.[/area]

[Micc]

VOTE: Leucosticte

Going to need to start practicing right away to be able to type this user name correctly before this game ends.

[Chemist1422]

hi

I have played with one person here like once

[skitter30]

Hey all!

@plot: regular vla on fridays and saturdays!

VOTE: leucosticte

[Leucosticte]

(Was that a username bias vote?)

VOTE: Micc

[Chemist1422]

welp since the other SEs are doing it I might as well

don’t listen to peer pressure, or you’ll end up like me

VOTE: leucodticte

ik there’s a typo but my phone won’t let me fix it

[Micc]

(Was that a username bias vote?)

VOTE: Micc

Yes, it was.

How about your vote on me? Username bias or something else?

[Farren]

VOTE: Leucosticte

Going to need to start practicing right away to be able to type this user name correctly before this game ends.

You're right, that is a tough one. We should start out with something simple and easy to type before working on the more complex ones.

VOTE: Micc

[Leucosticte]

(Was that a username bias vote?)

VOTE: Micc

Yes, it was.

How about your vote on me? Username bias or something else?

(1) Originally, policy vote for being unclear about the reason, but now mostly just (2) "If I'm town, then from my perspective there's a better than random chance that anyone voting for me right off the bat is scum"

[skitter30]

Early scumpings on chemist

I think farren's post was funny (but not ai)

Leu, couple of questions:
1. How much (forum) mafia experience do u have?
2. What do u think of the fact that me and chemist have voted for u as well?

[Leucosticte]

Early scumpings on chemist

I think farren's post was funny (but not ai)

Leu, couple of questions:
1. How much (forum) mafia experience do u have?
2. What do u think of the fact that me and chemist have voted for u as well?

1. Zero
2. Kinda sus; I assume the more organized group on D1, that acts with more unity of purpose, is probably scum, but it could also just be an attempt to get the ball rolling rather than have 1 vote for this guy, 1 vote for that guy, etc. which ends up making the whole thing susceptible to manipulation by whoever shows up at the last minute

Oh wait, this is a "majority lynches" thing rather than plurality, huh? Interesting. And so, twilight begins as soon as someone gets 5 votes; is that how this goes?

[skitter30]

Any other kind of mafia experience?

Yeah its majority lynches; twighlight is between when someone gets lynched and the mod locks the thread

[Leucosticte]

Any other kind of mafia experience?

Yeah its majority lynches; twighlight is between when someone gets lynched and the mod locks the thread

I've played Secret Hitler and Werewolv.es. With the latter, the way it is works is, night is at 8 PM UTC, and whoever has the plurality of votes at that point gets lynched, or if it's a tie vote or the plurality of votes is for "No Lynch" then there's no lynch.

So how does this work? As soon as it hits 5 votes, then it's a done deal, regardless of what time it is?

[skitter30]

Yeah, basically.

Today it's five to lynch, whoever gets five votes first is lynched
We have ten days to sort out who we're going to put five votes on, if no one hits 5 votes before deadline there wont be a lynch

I *strongly* recommend we dont let that happen

[Micc]

"If I'm town, then from my perspective there's a better than random chance that anyone voting for me right off the bat is scum"

Are you saying that Micc (2/8 random chance of being scum from your perspective) is more likely to be scum than mmiscrazy12 (also 2/8 random chance of being scum from your perspective)? I'm curious why you think that.

[Leucosticte]

Are you saying that Micc (2/8 random chance of being scum from your perspective) is more likely to be scum than mmiscrazy12 (also 2/8 random chance of being scum from your perspective)? I'm curious why you think that.

I don't know how to quantify the odds, but my theory is, the guy who I know is voting to lynch village is more sus than the guy who, for all I know, could be voting to lynch village or scum.

It's like, let's suppose a guy calls 911 and says, "I was cleaning my gun and tripped and fell and shot my wife in the head." He could be totally innocent of criminal intent, but who would you suspect is more likely to be a murderer, that guy or the guy next door who didn't call 911 with a story like that?

The guy next door could be a murderer and maybe just hasn't been caught, but we know right off the bat the guy who did call 911 with that story is suspicious.

In this situation, from my perspective, the suspicious behavior is having voted to lynch a townie. There could be an innocent explanation, but maybe not. It would be less suspicious if the vote had been cast for someone I

didn't

know was town. There would be another possible explanation (e.g. "maybe the person he's voting for is scum") that doesn't exist in this case.

[Farren]

Leucosticte: why did you specifically vote for Micc over skitter? Your logic applies to both equally.

[Leucosticte]

Yeah, basically.

Today it's five to lynch, whoever gets five votes first is lynched
We have ten days to sort out who we're going to put five votes on, if no one hits 5 votes before deadline there wont be a lynch

I *strongly* recommend we dont let that happen

In the small Werewolves community I belong to, they would say, "But if we lynch with no intel, we're more likely to lynch a townie than a scum, and we'll be shortening the game, so that we'll have less time to gather intel, and all it'll take is a few mislynches to make us lose!" and "If we randomly start voting for someone, he might feel forced to reveal his role, and if he's a townie with a power role, that means the scum will try to kill him!"

My way of looking at it is, if you're lucky enough that you start out by randomly voting for scum, he'll probably have to claim he's vanilla so that he doesn't get counterclaimed. Either way, if they claim to be vanilla, just go ahead and lynch them, because you need to start getting vanillas out of the game anyway so that scum have fewer places to hide. As you eliminate more and more vanillas, your odds of randomly lynching a scum who's hiding in that pool increase, and once you do lynch one of them, that lengthens the game, giving you more more margin of error in case a mislynch happens.

But they can't get past the idea, "OMG, there's x townies, but only y scum, so that means it would be bad to lynch randomly, since we'd be more likely to lynch a townie" and "We need to give the cop an opportunity to do his work without getting forced to claim before he's found any useful intel." Later, they're more willing to take a chance, under the assumption that maybe the cop is dead if a few days have passed and he still hasn't claimed.

As someone who hasn't drunk the Kool-Aid of that particular community, I'm just kinda curious what your perspective is.

[Leucosticte]

Leucosticte: why did you specifically vote for Micc over skitter? Your logic applies to both equally.

The one who votes first to lynch the innocent maybe has more initiative and therefore is more dangerous. Any time you want to dismantle some organization, you want to focus on taking out the leader, because after that, it may just fall apart.

[Micc]

I don't know how to quantify the odds, but my theory is...

That's probably because mathematics doesn't actually support your stance. That's ok though. What you done is expressed a "read", aka a guess about someone's alignment made by logically taking into account the things they've done in the game. I think there's some fundamental problems with the logic behind your read, but I understand where you're coming from.

I'm also glad to see the effort because my take is that town players are incentivized to make reads and mafia players are not. This leads me to believe you are more likely to be town than someone like chemist who hasn't expressed any reads or shown signs of trying to make reads.

UNVOTE: Leucosticte
VOTE: chemist1422