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Posted: Thu Dec 05, 2019 2:18 am
by Iconeum
In post 272, AaronFrost wrote: In post 264, GuiltyLion wrote:the case is he's making scummy posts, especially with how he reacted to and exaggerated Creature's posts around him and the way he's shading Ico for townreading Menalque
That's... not at all my problem with Icon. My issue is the reason he's townreading Menalque, because of a 'townslip' that isn't actually a townslip.
I'm confused how you don't see the inconsistency in Creature's posts. Knowing how Creature plays, I assumed the naked vote on me was serious, but then in 176 he says both Salamence and alimdia are scum and 'now I need a third' implying he doesn't know who the third is. Then he later confirms the vote was serious.
Like okay there's your third then. Why did you omit that?
This again. I can see what AF is talking about wrt to Creature. Creature's progression doesn't make sense and yet AF is on the rooster for this?
Posted: Thu Dec 05, 2019 2:18 am
by Iconeum
i've already sent you the pics
might wanna check spam folder
Posted: Thu Dec 05, 2019 2:19 am
by Iconeum
In post 275, Amrun wrote:VOTE: AaronFrost
His posts read very forced. His progression on creature also sucks.
This post is very forced. This progression on AF also sucks.
Posted: Thu Dec 05, 2019 2:20 am
by Menalque
In post 341, alimdia wrote:@SOmething_Smart, any reason why you didn't RVS? Just curious.
Also, I just looked through all your posts again.
You post very neutral, answer and ask a bunch of questions but haven't drawn any conclusions from them.
You have too many posts for me to link all of them, but I encourage everyone to ISO SOmething_Smart up to Post 310.
I think thats a very strong scumtell.
YOu have lots of posts, made lots of neutral statements or fluff, but haven't had any conclusions.
VOTE: SOmething_Smart
This is literally just SS and it’s NAI
But tbh I townlean him because I think he’s actually trying to work with me, even if I still think he’s been a bit overly oppositional
I think my GL read was prob bad and I don’t see why scum!him doesn’t let me take that thread and run with it
Posted: Thu Dec 05, 2019 2:20 am
by Iconeum
The one thing that I can see is off with AF is that he chose to vote me for talking about a potential townslip from Menal, over his actual scumread in Creature.
Posted: Thu Dec 05, 2019 2:20 am
by Menalque
Mmmm, imma have fun with these tonight
Posted: Thu Dec 05, 2019 2:20 am
by Menalque
But like, do u also wanna do me an ingame favour?
Posted: Thu Dec 05, 2019 2:21 am
by Menalque
Also alim if ur around do u wanna do me a solid
Posted: Thu Dec 05, 2019 2:22 am
by Iconeum
Posted: Thu Dec 05, 2019 2:22 am
by Iconeum
oh ehmm awkward…
yeah sure
Posted: Thu Dec 05, 2019 2:23 am
by Iconeum
ur gonna ask me to vote amrun, right?
Posted: Thu Dec 05, 2019 2:24 am
by Iconeum
what's he at right now?
Posted: Thu Dec 05, 2019 2:25 am
by Menalque
You read my mind
Only 2 votes on so L-6
Posted: Thu Dec 05, 2019 2:26 am
by Iconeum
VOTE: Amrun
Posted: Thu Dec 05, 2019 2:27 am
by Iconeum
Amrun's hopping on AF wagon was dirty
Posted: Thu Dec 05, 2019 2:28 am
by Menalque
Posted: Thu Dec 05, 2019 2:32 am
by alimdia
I needa read Amrun rq
Posted: Thu Dec 05, 2019 2:41 am
by alimdia
In post 353, Menalque wrote: In post 341, alimdia wrote:@SOmething_Smart, any reason why you didn't RVS? Just curious.
Also, I just looked through all your posts again.
You post very neutral, answer and ask a bunch of questions but haven't drawn any conclusions from them.
You have too many posts for me to link all of them, but I encourage everyone to ISO SOmething_Smart up to Post 310.
I think thats a very strong scumtell.
YOu have lots of posts, made lots of neutral statements or fluff, but haven't had any conclusions.
VOTE: SOmething_Smart
This is literally just SS and it’s NAI
But tbh I townlean him because I think he’s actually trying to work with me, even if I still think he’s been a bit overly oppositional
I think my GL read was prob bad and I don’t see why scum!him doesn’t let me take that thread and run with it
Brah he hasn't done anything other than neutral and injecting in random places.
Also, I really hate second hand meta too
Let SS defend himself.
Posted: Thu Dec 05, 2019 2:42 am
by alimdia
I'm actually tired af atm so I'll reread your case against Amrun later, as well as his ISO
Posted: Thu Dec 05, 2019 3:08 am
by Amrun
In post 345, Menalque wrote: In post 339, Amrun wrote:@Menal: That case is far too boring to spend my time on tbh but I’ll touch on a few salient points.
Not answering a direct question is usually scummy, or at least belligerent, but it does depend on what the question was. In this case, it was me being a derp and missing the answer. The vote was still weird, though.
My experience with Pret is 100% limited to a game I replaced into where he was already dead and was obvscum. Just for reference. Tonally, it’s completely different from this game. He started on a more angry alt too, so it is so off here I can’t use that meta really.
Even if I had 100 years of experience with him, trying to sort him would not be strange, or scummy. This is a bizarre stance to take; however, I get the impression that you rely a lot on meta so I think that’s NAI from you. I, however, think meta is trash.
As for AF, he might be scum, might not. I’m not familiar with him enough to sort playstyle from alignment indicative actions right away. So I’ll pressure him as I please, thank you.
I mean (1) the fact you went “eh still a weird vote” feels like you were looking for an excuse to vote him and idk why that’s natural? Also I disagree that not answering a direct question is scummy when the simplest explanation is that the person just missed it?
(2) I don’t think that trying to sort him is strange/scummy and I don’t think I said anything implying I thought that? I think that trying to sort him specifically in the way you claim you are is weird and doesn’t make sense from anyone who’s played with him even once
(3) also feel like you’re now backing off AF that you’ve been called on it when I think your earlier posts implied greater confidence on scum!him
1) It depends on the question and the context. In this particular case, I was trying to reaction test alim but it didn’t work because I’m dumb. I kept my vote there because the vote was still the thing that pinged me the most up to that point.
2) I don’t even get what you’re trying to say here. You are complaining that my sorting methods aren’t always transparent? Ok. Don’t care.
3) I don’t often find that adding pressure to see what shakes out is very effective if it’s wishy washy. Do you? OMGUS aside, I don’t think you are scum because the crazy tinfoil hat theory about suspecting people who town read you. But I don’t think your effort to sort me is a good one.
Posted: Thu Dec 05, 2019 3:10 am
by AaronFrost
In post 339, Amrun wrote:As for AF, he might be scum, might not. I’m not familiar with him enough to sort playstyle from alignment indicative actions right away. So I’ll pressure him as I please, thank you.
Can you elaborate more on how my posts feel forced then? Talk about my progression on Creature as well. How are you reading him atm?
Posted: Thu Dec 05, 2019 3:12 am
by AaronFrost
In post 343, Iconeum wrote: In post 233, AaronFrost wrote:VOTE: Iconeum
Even if Icon is considered 'mislynchable' I'm still going to push actions I find scummy and right now I'm not a fan of it giving Mena towncred for something he shouldn't get towncred for.
I think it was a pretty Obvious townslip. We can discuss how likely it is that he faked this as scum, but it's definitely there.
It's not so much that I think he faked it as scum, just that the statement itself was NAI.
Like it was clearly phrased as a joke given the context and I think Mena's smart enough to look at the setup regardless of his alignment. So I consider it NAI.
Posted: Thu Dec 05, 2019 3:15 am
by AaronFrost
In post 352, Iconeum wrote: In post 275, Amrun wrote:VOTE: AaronFrost
His posts read very forced. His progression on creature also sucks.
This post is very forced. This progression on AF also sucks.
This made me chuckle.
But also I agree. Like the whole 'his posts are forced' comment feels like a blanket statement she's using to hop on my wagon. I want her to elaborate on what that means.
Posted: Thu Dec 05, 2019 3:18 am
by AaronFrost
Consider me on board.
VOTE: Amrun
I liked Icon's response to my vote. Reminds me of something similar it did in that Newbie game I played with it a while ago.
Still want Creature to explain his progression.
Posted: Thu Dec 05, 2019 3:19 am
by Something_Smart