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Posted: Thu Oct 31, 2019 5:15 pm
by Formerfish
In post 373, JacksonVirgo wrote:If I missed anyone, let me know.
Teacher. He and I should be on the same level btw.

Posted: Thu Oct 31, 2019 5:28 pm
by JacksonVirgo
Oh right, Teacher. I town read them. A TvS with you in fact as I stated.

Posted: Thu Oct 31, 2019 5:29 pm
by Micc
Fuzanglong replaces Marionette.


Votecount 1.06
Gyro Zeppeli (2) -
Uncrowned, teacher
bugspray (2) -
Formerfish, Datisi
Formerfish (2) -
bugspray, JacksonVirgo
Fuzanglong (1) -
gardenia
teacher (1) -
Fuzanglong
gardenia (1) -
Gyro Zeppeli

Not Voting (0) -


With 9 players alive it takes 5 votes to lynch.

The deadline for Day 1 is in (expired on 2019-11-07 20:25:00).

Posted: Thu Oct 31, 2019 6:36 pm
by bugspray
In post 374, JacksonVirgo wrote:VOTE: FormerFish
Reasoning in my last post
Sort of siding me me and trying to get on my good side when I'm a scummier looking town is a smart move as scum because it would mean that you just NK someone who is super town and then use that rapport in future days for more ML's

Thoughts?

p.s. if JV is maf then I think the tierlist would be a good nit to pick for clues about partner

Posted: Thu Oct 31, 2019 7:23 pm
by JacksonVirgo
In post 378, bugspray wrote:
In post 374, JacksonVirgo wrote:VOTE: FormerFish
Reasoning in my last post
Sort of siding me me and trying to get on my good side when I'm a scummier looking town is a smart move as scum because it would mean that you just NK someone who is super town and then use that rapport in future days for more ML's

Thoughts?

p.s. if JV is maf then I think the tierlist would be a good nit to pick for clues about partner
So you're just assuming I am scum? Okay then

Posted: Thu Oct 31, 2019 7:54 pm
by bugspray
No, I'm saying that you did something very scummy just now

Posted: Thu Oct 31, 2019 8:35 pm
by JacksonVirgo
Voting up my biggest scumread is scummy? Sounds legit

Posted: Thu Oct 31, 2019 8:50 pm
by bugspray
Alright let me rephrase it: it's a very good play to make as scum which I guess isn't really super scummy

Posted: Thu Oct 31, 2019 9:01 pm
by JacksonVirgo
In post 382, bugspray wrote:Alright let me rephrase it: it's a very good play to make as scum which I guess isn't really super scummy
I mean I guess so if I were scum, but alas I am not so you're theory breaks there.

Posted: Thu Oct 31, 2019 10:39 pm
by Uncrowned
In post 378, bugspray wrote:
In post 374, JacksonVirgo wrote:VOTE: FormerFish
Reasoning in my last post
Sort of siding me me and trying to get on my good side when I'm a scummier looking town is a smart move as scum because it would mean that you just NK someone who is super town and then use that rapport in future days for more ML's

Thoughts?

p.s. if JV is maf then I think the tierlist would be a good nit to pick for clues about partner
I don't think people voting on the same person means they're trying to get on their good side. I wouldn't say myself/Teacher and Datisi/Fish are trying to "get close" or whatever, yet our votes are on the same people. Not sure if that's good logic to work off of.

Posted: Thu Oct 31, 2019 11:33 pm
by JacksonVirgo
In post 384, Uncrowned wrote:
In post 378, bugspray wrote:
In post 374, JacksonVirgo wrote:VOTE: FormerFish
Reasoning in my last post
Sort of siding me me and trying to get on my good side when I'm a scummier looking town is a smart move as scum because it would mean that you just NK someone who is super town and then use that rapport in future days for more ML's

Thoughts?

p.s. if JV is maf then I think the tierlist would be a good nit to pick for clues about partner
I don't think people voting on the same person means they're trying to get on their good side. I wouldn't say myself/Teacher and Datisi/Fish are trying to "get close" or whatever, yet our votes are on the same people. Not sure if that's good logic to work off of.
I mean from my pov, it isn't good logic and it seems to be biased against me completely. If they want to base their future reads of that it's fine, just they need to think the same about you/teacher, datisi/fish like you stated or the logic falls through the cracks.

Posted: Thu Oct 31, 2019 11:59 pm
by Gyro Zeppeli
VOTE: formerfish

Posted: Fri Nov 01, 2019 12:03 am
by JacksonVirgo
In post 386, Gyro Zeppeli wrote:VOTE: formerfish
Reasoning?

Posted: Fri Nov 01, 2019 12:24 am
by teacher
In post 362, bugspray wrote:
In post 361, gardenia wrote:
In post 345, bugspray wrote:Okay some people who I think are scummy:
Fish because a lot of his posts are useless crap like what his midnight snack is. Also when I consider if I should lynch him I get this different emotional response inside me than considering other people. Idk how to describe it but it's like a "noooo don't" feeling. Just feels like a weird way to stand out I think he may have possibly tried to manipulate us into not wanting him to Lynch him for not logical reasons

Gard feels kinda like a mafia trying to hide behind newbie mask of innocence and isn't posting too often so that nobody can catch her making mistakes.

JV shutting up for this long is probably relaxing and he can take a break room defending himself. The lack of posting now that the heat is off is odd to me.

It's possible a newbie maf could post with partner in the private thread and think oh I'm posting that's good and accidentally neglect posting here which makes me think gard and jv are a bit more sus, although jv certainly does make a high magnitude of weird newb errors if that is the case
This is just my opinion, but so far you've been saying a lot of things but not much has backing/doesn't really make sense. Most of these are based on "feelings"? :/
And you've come along back and just parroted the same concerns that other players had put forward. Now certainly it is a reasonable concern but don't you have anything more to add?
This (bottom) post struck me as possibly coached. I agree w GD’s comments that your prior posts seemed more emotional and coming from a quite different perspective than most. I was willing to chalk that up to a newb getting used to forum mafia, but here you are showing different - more standard and more advanced - thinking. Specifically the line on parroting, that’s not ‘feelings’ that’s a specific and potentially accurate criticism. It’s a level different than your other posts in a way that’s concerning.

Posted: Fri Nov 01, 2019 12:39 am
by Datisi
In post 373, JacksonVirgo wrote:Gardenia - They seemed to be reluctant to vote at all at first, which doesn't inherently mean anything but then teacher stated that they wrote that out as scum.
JV, I don't get this part? How does this equate to a Gard TL?

Posted: Fri Nov 01, 2019 12:47 am
by Datisi
Throwing shade then immediately backpedaling when you realize the argument isn't that good/you get heat. Hmmmm.

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In post 345, bugspray wrote:Okay some people who I think are scummy:
Fish because a lot of his posts are useless crap like what his midnight snack is. Also when I consider if I should lynch him I get this different emotional response inside me than considering other people. Idk how to describe it but it's like a "noooo don't" feeling. Just feels like a weird way to stand out I think he may have possibly tried to manipulate us into not wanting him to Lynch him for not logical reasons

Gard feels kinda like a mafia trying to hide behind newbie mask of innocence and isn't posting too often so that nobody can catch her making mistakes.

JV shutting up for this long is probably relaxing and he can take a break room defending himself. The lack of posting now that the heat is off is odd to me.

It's possible a newbie maf could post with partner in the private thread and think oh I'm posting that's good and accidentally neglect posting here which makes me think gard and jv are a bit more sus, although jv certainly does make a high magnitude of weird newb errors if that is the case
In post 346, bugspray wrote:Ofc my last point is kinda metareachy

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In post 362, bugspray wrote:
In post 361, gardenia wrote:
In post 345, bugspray wrote:Okay some people who I think are scummy:
Fish because a lot of his posts are useless crap like what his midnight snack is. Also when I consider if I should lynch him I get this different emotional response inside me than considering other people. Idk how to describe it but it's like a "noooo don't" feeling. Just feels like a weird way to stand out I think he may have possibly tried to manipulate us into not wanting him to Lynch him for not logical reasons

Gard feels kinda like a mafia trying to hide behind newbie mask of innocence and isn't posting too often so that nobody can catch her making mistakes.

JV shutting up for this long is probably relaxing and he can take a break room defending himself. The lack of posting now that the heat is off is odd to me.

It's possible a newbie maf could post with partner in the private thread and think oh I'm posting that's good and accidentally neglect posting here which makes me think gard and jv are a bit more sus, although jv certainly does make a high magnitude of weird newb errors if that is the case
This is just my opinion, but so far you've been saying a lot of things but not much has backing/doesn't really make sense. Most of these are based on "feelings"? :/
And you've come along back and just parroted the same concerns that other players had put forward. Now certainly it is a reasonable concern but don't you have anything more to add?
In post 364, bugspray wrote:Yeah my accusations are weak as heck. In the moment I feel it but emotions are fleeting and I can't find the same feeling a lot of the time when looking at is posts

Spoiler: 3
In post 378, bugspray wrote:
In post 374, JacksonVirgo wrote:VOTE: FormerFish
Reasoning in my last post
Sort of siding me me and trying to get on my good side when I'm a scummier looking town is a smart move as scum because it would mean that you just NK someone who is super town and then use that rapport in future days for more ML's

Thoughts?

p.s. if JV is maf then I think the tierlist would be a good nit to pick for clues about partner
In post 382, bugspray wrote:Alright let me rephrase it: it's a very good play to make as scum which I guess isn't really super scummy

In post 378, bugspray wrote:Sort of siding me me and trying to get on my good side when I'm a scummier looking town is a smart move as scum because it would mean that you just NK someone who is super town and then use that rapport in future days for more ML's
We've had people voting together earlier too. When did this thought occur?
In post 378, bugspray wrote:p.s. if JV is maf then I think the tierlist would be a good nit to pick for clues about partner
Is that why you haven't done a tierlist yourself? ;)

Posted: Fri Nov 01, 2019 12:48 am
by Uncrowned
In post 385, JacksonVirgo wrote:
In post 384, Uncrowned wrote:
In post 378, bugspray wrote:
In post 374, JacksonVirgo wrote:VOTE: FormerFish
Reasoning in my last post
Sort of siding me me and trying to get on my good side when I'm a scummier looking town is a smart move as scum because it would mean that you just NK someone who is super town and then use that rapport in future days for more ML's

Thoughts?

p.s. if JV is maf then I think the tierlist would be a good nit to pick for clues about partner
I don't think people voting on the same person means they're trying to get on their good side. I wouldn't say myself/Teacher and Datisi/Fish are trying to "get close" or whatever, yet our votes are on the same people. Not sure if that's good logic to work off of.
I mean from my pov, it isn't good logic and it seems to be biased against me completely. If they want to base their future reads of that it's fine, just they need to think the same about you/teacher, datisi/fish like you stated or the logic falls through the cracks.
That's what I'm saying, I don't agree with the logic. I think it's too surface level.

Posted: Fri Nov 01, 2019 12:51 am
by Uncrowned
Also, Fish is at L-2. Not a fan of that naked vote.

Posted: Fri Nov 01, 2019 12:55 am
by Uncrowned
We've had people voting together earlier too. When did this thought occur?
This is what I'm thinking, it seems like an odd thing to point out. What I want more of an explanation of is this part though:
trying to get on my good side when I'm a scummier looking town is a smart move as scum
Maybe I'm crazy, but isn't this the opposite of what you'd want to do? Not that I think JV voting with you is valid reasoning anyway, Bug, but this seems off.

I could be misunderstanding your point. Explain?

Posted: Fri Nov 01, 2019 1:00 am
by JacksonVirgo
Until Gyro explains that vote I am going to unvote so.
/unvote

Posted: Fri Nov 01, 2019 1:02 am
by JacksonVirgo
I forgot the proper formatting so I'll do it again.
UNVOTE: FF

Posted: Fri Nov 01, 2019 1:06 am
by JacksonVirgo
To put it simply, I voted because I feel they are a TvS with Teacher. The fact Gyro jumped onto that with a naked vote makes me want to get off that shiz as fast as I can.

Posted: Fri Nov 01, 2019 1:15 am
by Uncrowned
In post 396, JacksonVirgo wrote:To put it simply, I voted because I feel they are a TvS with Teacher. The fact Gyro jumped onto that with a naked vote makes me want to get off that shiz as fast as I can.
Didn't you also say you thought Gyro/Fish was SvS?

Do you still see Fish as Scum then, or no?

Posted: Fri Nov 01, 2019 1:25 am
by JacksonVirgo
In post 397, Uncrowned wrote:
In post 396, JacksonVirgo wrote:To put it simply, I voted because I feel they are a TvS with Teacher. The fact Gyro jumped onto that with a naked vote makes me want to get off that shiz as fast as I can.
Didn't you also say you thought Gyro/Fish was SvS?

Do you still see Fish as Scum then, or no?
I don't remember writing that anywhere but yes I feel Gyro/Fish are a SvS and this might be a way of Gyro getting towncred but I also think Teacher/Fish is a TvS.

So currently my reads are FF and Gyro being scum. I left that wagon because I don't want it to be lynched yet.

Posted: Fri Nov 01, 2019 1:29 am
by Uncrowned
In post 398, JacksonVirgo wrote:
In post 397, Uncrowned wrote:
In post 396, JacksonVirgo wrote:To put it simply, I voted because I feel they are a TvS with Teacher. The fact Gyro jumped onto that with a naked vote makes me want to get off that shiz as fast as I can.
Didn't you also say you thought Gyro/Fish was SvS?

Do you still see Fish as Scum then, or no?
I don't remember writing that anywhere but yes I feel Gyro/Fish are a SvS and this might be a way of Gyro getting towncred but I also think Teacher/Fish is a TvS.

So currently my reads are FF and Gyro being scum. I left that wagon because I don't want it to be lynched yet.
I went back and found it, Post is when you said it.

So you think Fish is scum but don't want to apply pressure onto him yet? I don't like the Gyro vote on him either, but if you think he's scum wouldn't you want pressure on FF?