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I also have some experience with the game, though I'm still horrible at the game. I generally don't have much of an agenda as town though.

After quick-reading pages 11-15, I'm inclined to either vote for:

Tidus/72off (lurkers)

or

Furtive (in my scummy list plus being pushed by PR)

Has anyone counter-claimed yet? I haven't checked in detail. Once he's confirmed cop, I'll most probably vote for Furtive since we got more info from him being eliminated than the lurkers.

I find it interesting though that 72off suddenly came to life this past few pages after getting a vote.

In post 369, whiskey delta wrote:72’s reads are so anti consensus I think they’re worth considering. Like I said earlier, consensus nearly led to the Cop getting elimmed and if scum I think 72 just stays parked on FG here instead of starting an entirely new wagon.


I’m crazy enough to follow too

VOTE: Alianna

Time for fire drill

Aliana, what's your take on Whiskey's progression here?

In post 368, whiskey delta wrote:

In post 320, Roden wrote:

In post 318, whiskey delta wrote:

In post 301, Roden wrote:

In post 300, whiskey delta wrote:Right on time.

UNVOTE:

@Roden - stuff has happened. Things have changed. My reads are not the same and it seems I need to reevaluate completely. You can vote FG if you want. Vote me if you’d like. I don’t care I’m going to keep trucking and we will both just learn to get along

What did 72 do? What did Furtive do?

Last post of the night

72 was a Hail Mary low poster elim vote - I’ll call it what it is. Timing aside the last two posts they made make me want to see what else they have to say. We are in this spot largely because of consensus so maybe more against the grain reads are warranted.

For FG I think part of it is that they aren’t scum reading me tbh but also because I was so wrong about you I am doubting my scum (and town) reads more generally.

Looking at the wagons at the time of your claim is what is really making me reconsider. My reads can suck but was everyone else just as bad? Counting myself that started your wagon there’s 5 to consider immediately.

Roden - (whiskey) hutmeil, Greeting, FG, Alianna
FG - 72, Roden, whiskey

FG still an option but one I’m way less confident about. I need to review everyone on the wagon again but 6/6 Town is not likely.

Why would being wrong about me make you doubt your other top scum read? Are you saying that if you had successfully voted me our Furtive out, and once of us flipped town, then you'd think the other was town?

And you're right, 6/6 town being wrong isn't likely. the odds of town being wrong are extremely low, in fact. That's because there weren't 6/6 townies voting me or suspecting me. There were only 4.

You just seem to be admitting here that you don't want to vote out your scum reads and prefer to just push out a low poster who isn't defending themself.

Players reevaluate all the time. You aren’t flipped but are as good as, and my reads have already changed so what is the point of your question exactly? Clearly my worldview needs adjustment. If I was wrong about you I could just as easily be wrong about others too. I’m not confident that FG flips either way anymore.

6/6 counts everyone on the wagon (including you) which matters for the odds.

I literally just told you I am less sure about all of my reads. I hard charged on a wagon that got the Cop outted. I know you feel righteous in your conftown status but I don’t care. I am resetting and starting over again. Vote me or move on. You’re doing exactly what I did that got Town into this mess by tunneling incessantly.

It seems that you're only ok with tunneling a scum when you do it to confirmed townies, and that because of your "mistake" that no one else is allowed to pursue their scum reads unless it saves Furtive.

What do you think of Furtive blindly defending you and trying to save you from elimination last night even though he said you were scummy and that you were his only current scum read?

In post 376, hutmeil wrote:After quick-reading pages 11-15, I'm inclined to either vote for:

Tidus/72off (lurkers)

or

Furtive (in my scummy list plus being pushed by PR)

Has anyone counter-claimed yet? I haven't checked in detail. Once he's confirmed cop, I'll most probably vote for Furtive since we got more info from him being eliminated than the lurkers.

I find it interesting though that 72off suddenly came to life this past few pages after getting a vote.

Every one has checked in and nobody counter claimed.

However, Whiskey treated me as confirmed Cop before everyone finished checking in.

In post 378, Roden wrote:It seems that you're only ok with tunneling a scum when you do it to confirmed townies, and that because of your "mistake" that no one else is allowed to pursue their scum reads unless it saves Furtive.

What do you think of Furtive blindly defending you and trying to save you from elimination last night even though he said you were scummy and that you were his only current scum read?

For future reference, when you write stuff like you have here in the bold, it's the reason I scum read you. It is a blatant exaggeration and simply not true. Chirp away to your heart's content, I literally cannot stop you, but if you are going to continue asking me questions that are clearly leading and false I will just stop responding to you all together.

Things FG actually said last night:
1) My turn was weird/scummy
2) I am a complex read for him
3) 72 and Tidus were null/scum reads from before
4) He was probably going to eat it anyway

#4 actually has me wanting to TR that slot because of how accepting they seem to be of getting elimmed. Take a step outside your tunnel and consider that for a sec. There is a universe were all three of us are Town and the scum have been under the radar. Think about what you have said regarding scum play vs town play and then reevaluate this D1 - I think you'll find it enlightening.

In post 376, hutmeil wrote:After quick-reading pages 11-15, I'm inclined to either vote for:

Tidus/72off (lurkers)

or

Furtive (in my scummy list plus being pushed by PR)

Has anyone counter-claimed yet? I haven't checked in detail. Once he's confirmed cop, I'll most probably vote for Furtive since we got more info from him being eliminated than the lurkers.

I find it interesting though that 72off suddenly came to life this past few pages after getting a vote.

Nobody has CCed.

Unofficial votecount mostly for my reference.

Alianna (2): 72offsuit, whiskey delta
furtiveglance (1): Roden
hutmeil (1): Tidus of the X


Not Voting (5): Malakittens, hutmeil, Greeting, furtiveglance, Alianna

There's about 1 day to go. I don't like hutmeil's recent posting at all. Alianna isn't really giving me town vibes either.

I think whiskey delta is probably town for their approach to Roden pushing me. I'm kind of townreading Tidus' recent posts also.

Still thinking Greeting/Malakittens are town.

I think 72offsuit is town.

In post 380, whiskey delta wrote:

In post 378, Roden wrote:It seems that you're only ok with tunneling a scum when you do it to confirmed townies, and that because of your "mistake" that no one else is allowed to pursue their scum reads unless it saves Furtive.

What do you think of Furtive blindly defending you and trying to save you from elimination last night even though he said you were scummy and that you were his only current scum read?

For future reference, when you write stuff like you have here in the bold, it's the reason I scum read you. It is a blatant exaggeration and simply not true. Chirp away to your heart's content, I literally cannot stop you, but if you are going to continue asking me questions that are clearly leading and false I will just stop responding to you all together.

Things FG actually said last night:
1) My turn was weird/scummy
2) I am a complex read for him
3) 72 and Tidus were null/scum reads from before
4) He was probably going to eat it anyway

#4 actually has me wanting to TR that slot because of how accepting they seem to be of getting elimmed. Take a step outside your tunnel and consider that for a sec. There is a universe were all three of us are Town and the scum have been under the radar. Think about what you have said regarding scum play vs town play and then reevaluate this D1 - I think you'll find it enlightening.

Cool, you didn't answer a single question and instead defended your scum read again.

I guess I'm the mislim now?
Idk what my reads are at this point. The cop claim changed everything.

Furtive and Whiskey try to wagon me, it fails. They scum read each other but refuse to vote each other, instead choosing to wagon 72 even though neither scum read 72. 72 then town tells, the rest of the player list feels hesitant to vote there, so Furtive and Whiskey both swap to Alianna without even discussing anything with each other. Neither scum read Alianna, and she isn't a low poster. Whiskey claims he wants to vote Alianna because I said she did something anti town, but doesn't want to vote Furtive even though we both scum read them.

They are making it very clear that they are aligned, and we know Masons aren't in play.

In post 389, Alianna wrote:I guess I'm the mislim now?
Idk what my reads are at this point. The cop claim changed everything.

I feel that my claim just exposed scum who were banking on a mis-elim that couldn't go through.

Do you not want to vote Furtive?

In post 391, Roden wrote:

In post 389, Alianna wrote:I guess I'm the mislim now?
Idk what my reads are at this point. The cop claim changed everything.

I feel that my claim just exposed scum who were banking on a mis-elim that couldn't go through.

Do you not want to vote Furtive?

I need to respond to 72's case and re-evaluate some stuff. It's a maybe.

Scratch that, idk if a response is even worth it.

Well uh you're kinda running out of time, you need to decide quick.

In post 390, Roden wrote:Furtive and Whiskey try to wagon me, it fails. They scum read each other but refuse to vote each other, instead choosing to wagon 72 even though neither scum read 72. 72 then town tells, the rest of the player list feels hesitant to vote there, so Furtive and Whiskey both swap to Alianna without even discussing anything with each other. Neither scum read Alianna, and she isn't a low poster. Whiskey claims he wants to vote Alianna because I said she did something anti town, but doesn't want to vote Furtive even though we both scum read them.

They are making it very clear that they are aligned, and we know Masons aren't in play.

I'm just townreading whiskey now. Your whole argument is based on the idea that the push on you was scum-driven. I don't think it was, you looked scummy to me pre-claim, and were a consensus scumread.

I now do scumread Alianna, hence the vote.

In post 383, furtiveglance wrote:There's about 1 day to go. I don't like hutmeil's recent posting at all. Alianna isn't really giving me town vibes either.

In post 384, furtiveglance wrote:I think whiskey delta is probably town for their approach to Roden pushing me. I'm kind of townreading Tidus' recent posts also.

In post 385, furtiveglance wrote:Still thinking Greeting/Malakittens are town.

In post 386, furtiveglance wrote:I think 72offsuit is town.

In post 387, furtiveglance wrote:VOTE: Alianna

In post 381, Alianna wrote:Nobody has CCed.

In post 382, Alianna wrote:Unofficial votecount mostly for my reference.

Alianna (2): 72offsuit, whiskey delta
furtiveglance (1): Roden
hutmeil (1): Tidus of the X


Not Voting (5): Malakittens, hutmeil, Greeting, furtiveglance, Alianna

In post 389, Alianna wrote:I need to respond to 72's case and re-evaluate some stuff. It's a maybe.

In post 393, Alianna wrote:Scratch that, idk if a response is even worth it.

this page alone makes me think I made a good choice flipping these reads

Which reads did you flip?

That's not how that works. If Alianna was scum and knew Furtive was town, she would just sheep the Cop and blame my bad reads once they flip town. Instead, she's showing hesitance, since she's afraid of being wrong and feels pressured to get this vote right. This is a town mindset.

All Furtive and Whiskey care about is making sure each other survive. They don't care if they vote correctly or not, as long as they don't die. This is a scum mindset.

Roden, I don't know how many times I can say this, but me/whiskey delta is just not it. You're searching for ghosts, man. I'm worried that you're going to derail this game for us if you keep the blinkers on.

My preferred options for today's elimination are Alianna/hutmeil. If you would rather do hutmeil, I'll switch. Otherwise my vote stays.