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Posted: Mon Jun 17, 2013 7:03 pm
by ThAdmiral
In post 3827, CrashTextDummie wrote:I'm struggling really hard with ThAd's vig claim.
Really
hard. My most pressing issues with it:

1. Peregrine's whole "love at first sight in the pre-game" spiel. I can only conclude that ThAd or one of his predecessors claimed vig at some point in the neighborhood QT. Why? What did Peregrine/DLG do to earn that kind of trust?
2. ThAd's motivation to out the neighborhood. I thought it was odd to begin with ("I don't think my neighbor is scum, but I'm intrigued by the 1 scum per neighborhood theory, so I'm claiming to add an interesting twist to the game", paraphrased), but by outing himself as a neighbor specifically to fuel a "scum in the neighborhoods" argument, he put himself on a shortlist of potential scum, which seems really counter-intuitive if you're playing a power role.
3. ThAd's play today (and PV's by extension). He did
nothing
to stop the wagon on himself, barely any scumhunting (none after his wagon started getting steam), barely any defending. Pretty much "lemme know when it's time to claim" all the way through. It feels to me like he
wanted
to claim. He certainly didn't put any effort into protecting his role today.
4. The revolving door of players in ThAd's slot. This is kind of a meta argument, but it's really odd to me that two players replaced out of a very popular role as claimed. This is a very demanding game so it's possible that they were both just overwhelmed, but vig is about as low maintenance as it gets; just follow along and take your shots, no case-making required to get your suspects dead and an easy out if you get wagoned.

1 and 2 just plain don't make sense from a town point of view, 3 points towards ThAd being an SK with NK-immunity. 4 makes a lot more sense as well if he's SK (SK is always an uphill battle and requires a ton of effort in a game as gargantuan as this).

Bottom line, I don't think ThAd is town. All those propagating a "we should eliminate a NK" angle should take note. Vote stays.
I see that you are putting your hand up to die tonight. Excellent.

Posted: Mon Jun 17, 2013 7:11 pm
by Nachomamma8
In post 3764, Amethyst Kitty wrote:I dont think u should shoot nacho.

Nacho, why nero??

~Mara
I don't like his push on the Rena slot because it's lazy as fuck and scummy. He was attacking fuzzy for "not scumhunting" D1, and now is attacking Haylen for "not scumhunting" on D3. His on-off supicion of me sucks in general (I suspect you because you suspect me and you have no case and you scumslipped), his exchange with Angel about his fake vig power smelled fake from a mile away, and his suspicion of Bacde "this is not like the town Bacde I KNOW" even thought he doesn't really have any experience with him in the first place is just terrible. His backdown from his scumslip on me when Khan questioned him on his thoughts of a me-Bacde partnership smelled fake, as does his reasons shifting from LIAR SCUM to "I'm just paranoid because they suspected me for no reason :(".
In post 3772, Cephrir wrote:Scumreading AK but I have better ideas.

Unvote, Vote: penguin_alien
No, penguin is probably town.
In post 3839, Desperado wrote:Don't dilly dally too long, once bacde and Nacho get back here I know we'll have AK at 6. Thad is better left to prove himself or die failing.
I don't wanna vote AK anymore.
In post 3845, Nero Cain wrote:Why do you waffle on me Mollie? I might be ok with an AK lynch, but if AK flips scum we are deff killing Bulb.
I thought Bulb was scum with me, not AK.

Posted: Mon Jun 17, 2013 7:12 pm
by Nachomamma8
In post 3850, ThAdmiral wrote:I see that you are putting your hand up to die tonight. Excellent.
Can you start being useful sometime soon?

Love,
Nacho

Posted: Mon Jun 17, 2013 8:16 pm
by Kublai Khan
In post 3816, Bulbazak wrote:
In post 3770, Kublai Khan wrote: > Unvoting without revoting in pre-game RVS.
--- This is strictly a move of appeasement and buddying.
You'll need to explain, because otherwise, I consider much of the pre-game stuff null.
Sure. When you strictly unvote someone (no revoting in same post), you're standing a message that says "whoops, I don't want to lynch, you might be town". Think back to times when you've been unvoted. You get a sort of near-subliminal relief and some gratitude towards the person that unvoted you. It's a friendly gesture.

Now in RVS votes are at their most meaningless, so why would someone ever unvote instead of just moving their vote somewhere else? Consciously or not, Amethyst Kitty had a disarming attitude instead of the more typical town attitude of paranoia.

It's a little heady and not 100%, but scum are more likely to unvote in RVS.
In post 3821, Amethyst Kitty wrote:VOTE: Khan

Dont wanna be on despers right now. I'm taking this 1v1 hut i will make a case tomorow, dont have the time to do it today thouh it shouldnt be that hard to figure out why i hink khqn is sum. If he was town, he wouldnt have needed to be goaded into battling one of his top scun reads
I love this "Khan can't vote multiple people at the same time, therefore scum" argument. I look forward to the rest of your case.
In post 3822, Bulbazak wrote:P-Edit: Desperado makes a good point on the cop case. Was that your point as well Khan?
Similar. In my early game notes, I made a entry for Amethyst Kitty's Post 900 and wondered why she didn't a similar strong reaction to those that had been vig-directing earlier in the game. She didn't dislike all PR-directing, only apparently cop-directing. It seemed really unlikely that she was a cop because such a post would really draw attention to her. So I put it on the back-burner.

When she demanded a case on her, I checked my notes and found that it was in response to a known mafioso. So, yeah. Coaching is the only thing that makes sense.
In post 3826, Slandaar wrote:Well my PV case was pretty good I thought; hes most likely the bluescum.

AK is red or town not blue.
Did you even vote for PeregrineV?

(Answer:
No
)
In post 3850, ThAdmiral wrote:I see that you are putting your hand up to die tonight. Excellent.
WTF? CrashTextDummie is one of the towniest players and posted some good questions, and that's how you respond?

Posted: Mon Jun 17, 2013 10:12 pm
by Nero Cain
In post 3851, Nachomamma8 wrote:I don't like his push on the Rena slot because it's lazy as fuck and scummy.
So why was it not scummy on days 1 and 2? Why was my attack on Rena scummy but you didn't question any of the other players that followed me onto Rena?
He was attacking fuzzy for "not scumhunting" D1
I'm relatively certain that I wasn't. Though I did find it scummy when he claimed he was way back on page 3. That looked like some hardcore stalling.
and his suspicion of Bacde "this is not like the town Bacde I KNOW" even thought he doesn't really have any experience with him in the first place is just terrible.
We've played in one game together, I want to say two games but I can't think of the other. So yes, I have experience with him but I wouldn't call myself an expert or anything.
His backdown from his scumslip on me when Khan questioned him on his thoughts of a me-Bacde partnership smelled fake, as does his reasons shifting from LIAR SCUM to "I'm just paranoid because they suspected me for no reason ".
lol no. My read on you has never waivered.
In post 3851, Nachomamma8 wrote:I thought Bulb was scum with me, not AK.
IDK, I think all three of you are scummy. This whole "guess who my buddies are" is just cheeky scum trying to squirm out of a lynch.

Posted: Mon Jun 17, 2013 10:49 pm
by Slandaar
Multiball is completely different to a one scum team game most people's posting will improve drastically in multiball as scum.

Posted: Mon Jun 17, 2013 10:52 pm
by Slandaar
In post 3853, Kublai Khan wrote:
In post 3826, Slandaar wrote:Well my PV case was pretty good I thought; hes most likely the bluescum.

AK is red or town not blue.
Did you even vote for PeregrineV?

(Answer:
No
)
Are you making a point of some kind?

Posted: Tue Jun 18, 2013 3:37 am
by penguin_alien
Eh, I don't think I buy the vig claim, but I agree with those who say that if it's not dead or proven overnight we know where to lynch.

UNVOTE: ThAdmiral

ffullisade, do your points about the AK hydra members still apply when they're working together? Because while I have yet to play in a hydra, one of the advantages seems to be the ability to rein in each other's bad habits. You said mara was that way in a hydra, but mala wasn't in that hydra, right?

Posted: Tue Jun 18, 2013 5:15 am
by Nero Cain
In post 3855, Slandaar wrote:Multiball is completely different to a one scum team game most people's posting will improve drastically in multiball as scum.
What was this a reply to?

Posted: Tue Jun 18, 2013 5:59 am
by ffullisade
In post 3857, penguin_alien wrote:Eh, I don't think I buy the vig claim, but I agree with those who say that if it's not dead or proven overnight we know where to lynch.

UNVOTE: ThAdmiral

ffullisade, do your points about the AK hydra members still apply when they're working together? Because while I have yet to play in a hydra, one of the advantages seems to be the ability to rein in each other's bad habits. You said mara was that way in a hydra, but mala wasn't in that hydra, right?
mala was in that hydra. kerberos is mala/mara/mollie

but to answer your question, no, I haven't had much luck with that

Posted: Tue Jun 18, 2013 6:07 am
by ffullisade
@ ak

I have a weak town read on you that I can not in good conscience keep if you do not get in here and interact with me

while I have seen frustrated town mala and super scummy mara I need more to back up this read cos you
have
been weird as fuck in this game so I am not surprised there is a ton of suspicion on you.

can you give me a complete list of your reads from townist to scummiest and if you have null list can you tell me why those players are still null.

Posted: Tue Jun 18, 2013 6:07 am
by ffullisade
also don't forget about my question asking you what you think of nero

Posted: Tue Jun 18, 2013 6:20 am
by ffullisade
and when I say weak town read I mean very weak as in I am not going to try to stop your lynch cos your khan push is terrible

Posted: Tue Jun 18, 2013 6:21 am
by ffullisade
guyz I know you are around I can see you on skype

Posted: Tue Jun 18, 2013 6:35 am
by mastin2
Dammit, and here I was JUST beginning to have my number of posts approach number of pages!

Eighty-Fourth Votecount
:
(Seventeenth Votecount of Day Three,
AKA, the "The mod hates missing a page" votecount.
)


Amethyst Kitty - 4 (Kublai Khan, Slandaar, Desperado, Bulbazak)

ThAdmiral - 2 (Human Destroyer, CrashTextDummie)

Cephrir - 2 (ArcAngel9, Seanald)
Nachomamma8 - 2 (Nero Cain, Bacde)
Bacde - 1 (Rena)
Nero Cain - 1 (Nachomamma8)
penguin_alien - 1 (Cephrir)
Kublai Khan - 1 (Amethyst Kitty)

Not Voting - 4 (PeregrineV, ThAdmiral, ffullisade, penguin_alien)

With
18
alive, it's
10
to lynch.

Day Three's deadline is Monday, July 1st, @ 12:30 PM PST, which is in (expired on 2013-07-01 12:30:00).

Bulbazak is V/LA over weekends indefinitely.
ArcAngel9 is V/LA until Wednesday, Jun 19th.
mastin2, the moderator, is V/LA for...a while.


Spoiler: Changes from last votecount
ThAdmiral - 2 (
penguin_alien
, Human Destroyer, CrashTextDummie)
Amethyst Kitty - 4 (Kublai Khan, Slandaar, Desperado,
Bulbazak
)
Bacde - 1 (
Bulbazak
, Rena)
Cephrir - 2 (ArcAngel9, Seanald)
Nachomamma8 - 2 (Nero Cain, Bacde)
Nero Cain - 1 (Nachomamma8)
penguin_alien - 1 (Cephrir)
Desperado - 0 (
Amethyst Kitty
)
Kublai Khan - 1 (
Amethyst Kitty
)

Not Voting - 4 (PeregrineV, ThAdmiral, ffullisade,
penguin_alien
)
Last votecount was page 153, post 3802.

Spoiler: Player Votecount History D3
CrashTextDummie: ThAdmiral
Cephrir: Rena->ThAdmiral->penguin_alien
Nachomamma8: ThAdmiral->Nero Cain->PeregrineV->Slandaar->Amethyst Kitty->ThAdmiral->Nero Cain
PeregrineV:
Nero Cain: Rena->Nachomamma8
Bacde: Nachomamma8->Rena->Nachomamma8->Unvote->ThAdmiral->Seanald->Nachomamma8
Bulbazak: ffullisade->Bacde->Amethyst Kitty
Desperado: ThAdmiral->Rena->ThAdmiral->Nero Cain->Amethyst Kitty
penguin_alien: ThAdmiral->Unvote
Slandaar: Amethyst Kitty->Rena->Desperado->ThAdmiral->Amethyst Kitty
Seanald: Rena->Cephrir
ThAdmiral:
Rena: Bacde
Kublai Khan: Bacde->Amethyst Kitty
Amethyst Kitty: Seanald->Kublai Khan->Desperado->Kublai Khan
ffullisade: Rena->Unvote
Human Destroyer: Rena->ThAdmiral
ArcAngel9: Cephrir


Spoiler: Votecount History D3
On Mon, Jun 6/10/13 @ 02:30p,
Bacde
votes
Nachomamma8
in post 3367.
On Mon, Jun 6/10/13 @ 02:40p,
Nachomamma8
votes
ThAdmiral
in post 3375.
On Mon, Jun 6/10/13 @ 05:23p,
Nero Cain
votes
Rena
in post 3385.
On Mon, Jun 6/10/13 @ 06:01p,
Nachomamma8
votes
Nero Cain
in post 3388.
On Mon, Jun 6/10/13 @ 11:14p,
Kublai Khan
votes
Bacde
in post 3397.
On Tue, Jun 6/11/13 @ 04:18a,
Slandaar
votes
Amethyst Kitty
in post 3406.
On Tue, Jun 6/11/13 @ 08:55a,
Desperado
votes
ThAdmiral
in post 3417.
On Tue, Jun 6/11/13 @ 12:32p,
Bubazak
votes
ffullisade
in post 3432.
On Tue, Jun 6/11/13 @ 03:04p,
ArcAngel9
votes
Cephrir
in post 3444.
On Tue, Jun 6/11/13 @ 06:46p,
ffullisade
votes
Rena
in post 3462.
On Tue, Jun 6/11/13 @ 09:08p,
Seanald
votes
Rena
in post 3467.
On Wed, Jun 6/12/13 @ 11:07a,
Desperado
votes
Rena
in post 3489.
On Wed, Jun 6/12/13 @ 12:41p,
Bacde
votes
Rena
in post 3522.
On Wed, Jun 6/12/13 @ 01:45p,
Slandaar
votes
Rena
in post 3528.
On Wed, Jun 6/12/13 @ 02:15p,
Bulbazak
unvotes
ffullisade
and votes
Bacde
in post 3537.
On Wed, Jun 6/12/13 @ 02:42p,
ffullisade
unvotes
Rena
in post 3543.
On Wed, Jun 6/12/13 @ 03:04p,
Bacde
unvotes
Rena
and votes
Nachomamma8
in post 3548.
On Wed, Jun 6/12/13 @ 03:48p,
Nachomamma8
votes
PeregrineV
in post 3584.
On Wed, Jun 6/12/13 @ 03:49p,
Nachomamma8
votes
Slandaar
in post 3585.
On Wed, Jun 6/12/13 @ 03:50p,
Nachomamma8
votes
Amethyst Kitty
in post 3586.
On Wed, Jun 6/12/13 @ 06:07p,
Nero Cain
votes
Nachomamma8
in post 3623.
On Thu, Jun 6/13/13 @ 03:49a,
Slandaar
votes
Desperado
in post 3625.
On Thu, Jun 6/13/13 @ 10:02a,
Human Destroyer
votes
Rena
in post 3633.
On Fri, Jun 6/14/13 @ 10:06a,
Bacde
unvotes
Nachomamma8
in post 3671.
On Fri, Jun 6/14/13 @ 11:16a,
Desperado
unvotes
Rena
and votes
ThAdmiral
in post 3672.
On Fri, Jun 6/14/13 @ 11:30a,
Bacde
votes
ThAdmiral
in post 3673.
On Fri, Jun 6/14/13 @ 12:08p,
Slandaar
votes
ThAdmiral
in post 3678.
On Sat, Jun 6/15/13 @ 06:50a,
Cephrir
votes
ThAdmiral
in post 3711.
On Sat, Jun 6/15/13 @ 10:31p,
Seanald
unvotes
Rena
and votes
Cephrir
in post 3730.
On Sat, Jun 6/15/13 @ 11:17p,
Bacde
votes
Seanald
in post 3731.
On Sat, Jun 6/15/13 @ 11:59p,
Amethyst Kitty
votes
Seanald
in post 3732.
On Sun, Jun 6/16/13 @ 00:18a,
Amethyst Kitty
votes
Kublai Khan
in post 3733.
On Sun, Jun 6/16/13 @ 01:07p,
penguin_alien
votes
ThAdmiral
in post 3740.
On Sun, Jun 6/16/13 @ 03:07p,
Human Destroyer
votes
ThAdmiral
in post 3745.
On Sun, Jun 6/16/13 @ 03:18p,
Nachomamma8
votes
ThAdmiral
in post 3746.
On Sun, Jun 6/16/13 @ 05:10p,
CrashTextDummie
votes
ThAdmiral
in post 3752.
On Sun, Jun 6/16/13 @ 11:05p,
Nachomamma8
unvotes
ThAdmiral
and votes
Nero Cain
in post 3759.
On Sun, Jun 6/16/13 @ 11:28p,
Desperado
unvotes
ThAdmiral
and votes
Nero Cain
in post 3760.
On Mon, Jun 6/17/13 @ 06:02a,
Kublai Khan
votes
Amethyst Kitty
in post 3769.
On Mon, Jun 6/17/13 @ 06:50a,
Slandaar
votes
Amethyst Kitty
in post 3771.
On Mon, Jun 6/17/13 @ 07:28a,
Cephrir
unvotes
ThAdmiral
and votes
penguin_alien
in post 3772.
On Mon, Jun 6/17/13 @ 09:29a,
Bacde
votes
Nachomamma8
in post 3774.
On Mon, Jun 6/17/13 @ 09:53a,
Desperado
unvotes
Nero Cain
and votes
Amethyst Kitty
in post 3777.
On Mon, Jun 6/17/13 @ 11:03a,
Amethyst Kitty
votes
Desperado
in post 3792.
On Mon, Jun 6/17/13 @ 01:54p,
Amethyst Kitty
votes
Kublai Khan
in post 3821.
On Mon, Jun 6/17/13 @ 01:59p,
Bulbazak
unvotes
Bacde
and votes
Amethyst Kitty
in post 3822.
On Tue, Jun 6/18/13 @ 08:37a,
penguin_alien
unvotes
ThAdmiral
in post 3857.

Posted: Tue Jun 18, 2013 6:42 am
by ffullisade
if you are going to actively lurk and let someone else do all of your defending for you can you at least use invisible mode I mean have I taught you guyz
nothing

Posted: Tue Jun 18, 2013 6:44 am
by ffullisade
also can you tell slaandy in your scum qt to answer nero's question cos it is a good one

Posted: Tue Jun 18, 2013 6:50 am
by Amethyst Kitty
I am at work mollie. Im havnt done anything anyehere tiday and i wont to be able to for a few more hours. I am also always on skype. Please stop being paranoid, ill talk to u soon promise

~mara

Posted: Tue Jun 18, 2013 6:52 am
by ffullisade
mala is around

Posted: Tue Jun 18, 2013 6:53 am
by PeregrineV
Vote: Nacho


Why are you totally ignoring my request?

Posted: Tue Jun 18, 2013 7:03 am
by Desperado
Nacho, why don't you want to lynch AK anymore?

Posted: Tue Jun 18, 2013 7:09 am
by Amethyst Kitty
Mollie STOP.

I was sleeping. I sleep like a cat a lot of hours every freak day. My phone skype doesn't go idle like my computer skype does and I don't have my computer skype on because I'm playing LoL a lot and it lags the shit out of me.

Anyways, I need to call a bank and transfer money and eat and head to work.

So have fun being without me until 10 pm at night. >_>

Posted: Tue Jun 18, 2013 7:14 am
by ffullisade
also mara I asked you about nero yesterday

mala is this going to be one of those times where you make a promise and then don't deliver?

also is the shifty eyed >_> a relative scum tell

I am going to look it up

Posted: Tue Jun 18, 2013 7:16 am
by Amethyst Kitty
Lmao.

It's so not. I do it a lot. <.<

I have a huge habit doing it on my other site because that's where I picked it up.. (I think)

Posted: Tue Jun 18, 2013 7:19 am
by Amethyst Kitty
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... ct[]=19101

byee

Fery come back soon! I misss youuu
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