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In post 3871, Almost50 wrote:I've asked this before and nobody claimed having been neighborized by PV. It thus follows PV must've neighborized a scumster or not at all. I'm leaning the former. Scum found out about him being a neighborizer and took him out, but I cannot really take a guess of any degree of confidence on whom PV might've targeted with his ability. Any thoughts?

I still don't understand why scum took out a neighbor over a vigilante, role cop, or jailkeeper. It doesn't make any sense, especially when James made his claim of guilty on comm trying to get him lynched. It was an obvious sacrifice play that didn't work, so instead they left the role cop alive to take out a neighbor? Who was PV scum reading? How does neighbor work? Do neighbors enter scum chat when they use the ability? It would make a lot more sense for him to be NK'd then.

In post 3873, Vifam wrote:Almost why do you have such a strong townread on Tywin? Other than "he's actually trying"

I can't explain it. It's a strong gut feeling based on how he plays and how he words his thoughts. Call me a fool post-game if he flips scum, but I seriously doubt the way Tywin phrases his posts can come from a scumster ever.

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2 possibilities here: Either PV was shot on N2 with a delayed shot (just as soon as they found he was a neighborizer as he recruited one of them on N1, and with Comm being set to be mislynched and them not knowing about either me or Ram at that point it makes perfect sense to take out the one PR they knew about)...

OR they didn't want to risk their NK being blocked by the JK, so opted to shoot someone who was not outed.

I -of course- am obviously leaning the former.

In post 3871, Almost50 wrote:I've asked this before and nobody claimed having been neighborized by PV. It thus follows PV must've neighborized a scumster or not at all. I'm leaning the former. Scum found out about him being a neighborizer and took him out, but I cannot really take a guess of any degree of confidence on whom PV might've targeted with his ability. Any thoughts?

he was TRing Kyo, so might be neigbourized him, but that just all i got, other possible would be Comm, maybe me, but i haven't been, and seems Comm wasn't either

In post 3875, Tywin Lannister wrote:

In post 3871, Almost50 wrote:I've asked this before and nobody claimed having been neighborized by PV. It thus follows PV must've neighborized a scumster or not at all. I'm leaning the former. Scum found out about him being a neighborizer and took him out, but I cannot really take a guess of any degree of confidence on whom PV might've targeted with his ability. Any thoughts?

I still don't understand why scum took out a neighbor over a vigilante, role cop, or jailkeeper. It doesn't make any sense, especially when James made his claim of guilty on comm trying to get him lynched. It was an obvious sacrifice play that didn't work, so instead they left the role cop alive to take out a neighbor? Who was PV scum reading? How does neighbor work? Do neighbors enter scum chat when they use the ability? It would make a lot more sense for him to be NK'd then.

Pere was killed N2, before mine and A50 claims, they let Comm alive cause they have redirect - so they get know role of someone they want, or at least they shut down info for town

In post 219, SlySly wrote:

In post 218, Land of Xanth wrote: VOTE: SlySly
-G

Bring forth the votes! My lynch will give you something to analyze much more than that 1-shot cop claim.

Btw, just doing random rereading (out of boredom, actually) and I came across the above quote. Now is a good time as any to elaborate on that one, Sly. We don't have to run you up in order to get a claim and explanation. Just spit it all out, if you please. Thank you.

So I tried going back to ISO PV's last few posts to see his reads before his NK, but I don't think it means anything. He was going after comm and Almost, not Nero or James. He did also mention a few others though. They're basically everyone already in the lynch pool.

In post 3471, PeregrineV wrote:

In post 3470, havingfitz wrote:

In post 3469, PeregrineV wrote:

In post 3406, D3f3nd3r wrote:James3 [L-1] CommKnight, Elena Fisher, Vifam, Nero Cain, James3, Almost50 CommKnight, Elena Fisher, Vifam, Nero Cain, James3, Almost50, FuzzyLogic

Yep, my bad...L-1. I was thinking it was 9 to lynch.

So how long we playing out this day?
Why aren't you voting anyone PerV?

Hopefully longer than 48 hours.

Like who? Claims, I want Comm.
Crap play? Fuzzy, XnadrojX
No play? Yume.

And want more from Yume, Nero, Elena, Sly

In post 3879, Tywin Lannister wrote:So I tried going back to ISO PV's last few posts to see his reads before his NK, but I don't think it means anything. He was going after comm and Almost, not Nero or James. He did also mention a few others though. They're basically everyone already in the lynch pool.

Again; PV was most likely shot on N2, after he had neighborized someone on N1. He probably was non-consecutive (as is Comm). If you want to take a guess, I think you should check his posts towards the end of D1 (thus the reads he used to invite his N1 target). Anything after that is not important (unless he intended to invite someone they didn't want in that neighborhood, which I doubt).

In post 3878, Almost50 wrote:

In post 219, SlySly wrote:

In post 218, Land of Xanth wrote: VOTE: SlySly
-G

Bring forth the votes! My lynch will give you something to analyze much more than that 1-shot cop claim.

Btw, just doing random rereading (out of boredom, actually) and I came across the above quote. Now is a good time as any to elaborate on that one, Sly. We don't have to run you up in order to get a claim and explanation. Just spit it all out, if you please. Thank you.

I'll claim at L-1. Just like when James was trying to fish it out of me.

Why waste our time and yours? If you're confident your claim won't get you lynched you do it NOW and we move on. Not doing it keeps you in the lynch pool for no good reason. We've long passed the point of holding cards close to our chests FGS. There are other NK targets if that's what you're afraid of.

I've never lived in a world where you claim at whatever I'm at, which, without looking, I know is far from L-1.

I'm not sure which fear you are referring to. I am living an experience without fear.

So, you're telling me you're a machine that just executes a set if instructions w/o reevaluation according to the change od circumstances. That's cool.

@fits:

You may now relax. I've got me a bigger fish to fry, One that itself told us it's flip will be beneficial to town but -at the same time- refuses to tell us the info of said flip while it's still alive.

@Sly:

Straight up: Are you a friggin' doctor? THAT is what I want to know.

In post 3884, Almost50 wrote:So, you're telling me you're a machine that just executes a set if instructions w/o reevaluation according to the change od circumstances. That's cool.

Nah.

I'm taking the current state of the game into consideration. At this point in the game, I think it's best for the town that I only claim if I need to.

And what IS the point of running you up up to L-1 in order for you to claim and then we back off and switch to another target? IT IS JUST A WASTE OF TIME! Right now it's either you or Vifam, and if you're Town you should be helping us decide early enough. Let alone, running you up is DANGEROUS if you're Town. You COULD be lol!hammered by Scum or even by a lousy Townie who just logged on to see who was being voted and added their vote w/o reading. It happens and you know it.

We are outed already, myself, Comm, Ram, and even Fuzzy has claimed. Your claim should help us determine what sort of power(s) we have on our hands as well as try to guess what scum have still got. I know they do have a redirector, but is the other one a goon or a PR? That I don't know.

Besides, there are some roles that you might be that may shed more light on the situation as a whole. I don't want to go deeper into this so as not to inspire you for ideas if you're scum, and -also- to not give SCUM ideas in case you're Town.

So, once again I urge you to reevaluate the situation and try to fill in the missing pieces for us if you can.

Like, you can't be a Tracker for starters. You don't put a Tracker AND a Watcher in the same setup unless it's a 30+ players list.

You also cannot be a Town RB bc the Town already has a JK (an even more effective RB role with additional protection to the target).. are you following?

So, let me try to rephrase my request: Does your role seem to fit with the claimed/flipped set of roles so far?

In post 3887, Almost50 wrote:Right now it's either you or Vifam

I'll have some of what you are smoking. I'm L-6.

In post 3888, Almost50 wrote:So, let me try to rephrase my request: Does your role seem to fit with the claimed/flipped set of roles so far?

Let me rephrase, L minus Six

Alright.

VOTE: Sly Sly

This IS my FINAL decision.

And I swear even you were IC and mod confirmed it that I will still keep my vote on you until you're lynched. I ahte it when everyone acts like they know it all or that theirs is the one and only right way to play. You have contributed ZIP to the game, and you refuse to even confirm that you have a role that goes with what we know of the setup, and you're happy with the game stalling as it is. The faster we get rid of you the better. If you're Scum we'd have one more to go. If you're Town I don't want you living at LyLo, the day before or the day before that.

In post 179, SlySly wrote:

In post 135, Zekromaster wrote:

@Everyone: If you could daykill someone right now, who would it be? (Looks like a weird question, but it has its reasons).

Undoubtedly, James.

In post 215, SlySly wrote:

In post 81, Land of Xanth wrote: Move on from James and find someone else to vote, because the only people with any notice for killing a claimed cop on d1 is Scum.

Not true. He's a 1-shot cop. He could screw up his one shot. He's not a big loss. If his claim is true and we lynched him, big deal. It would be worth it not to listen to his snippiness for the entire game. I'd be willing to lynch him just so the rest of the game can be fun.

FTR, it didn't take much to realize this is a Town slot. His first 2 posts scream Town to me considering the circumstances they were posted under.

HOWEVER, this lack of cooperation is making me think lynching Sly now is a hell lot better than having him lurk and/or duck for the next month or so. I could've done the same and let Comm get lynched because "I felt it was better for Town that I don't out myself".

My role, without a doubt, fits in the setup.

i would be surprised, if Sly flips something else than VT

@Ram:

How does the following quote even remotely suggest a VT?

In post 219, SlySly wrote:

In post 218, Land of Xanth wrote: VOTE: SlySly
-G

Bring forth the votes! My lynch will give you something to analyze much more than that 1-shot cop claim.

In post 3895, Almost50 wrote:@Ram:

How does the following quote even remotely suggest a VT?

In post 219, SlySly wrote:

In post 218, Land of Xanth wrote: VOTE: SlySly
-G

Bring forth the votes! My lynch will give you something to analyze much more than that 1-shot cop claim.

cause it sarcasm, i already got my share of laugh at for taking it as soft PR

In post 3880, Almost50 wrote:

In post 3879, Tywin Lannister wrote:So I tried going back to ISO PV's last few posts to see his reads before his NK, but I don't think it means anything. He was going after comm and Almost, not Nero or James. He did also mention a few others though. They're basically everyone already in the lynch pool.

Again; PV was most likely shot on N2, after he had neighborized someone on N1. He probably was non-consecutive (as is Comm). If you want to take a guess, I think you should check his posts towards the end of D1 (thus the reads he used to invite his N1 target). Anything after that is not important (unless he intended to invite someone they didn't want in that neighborhood, which I doubt).

If this were true though, then he'd have still scum read whatever player he neighborized on D2 as well.

Am I the only one that never understands the point of soft claiming a PR? I'd scum didn't have other PR targets, it absolutely puts a target on your back. It helps nobody but scum at that point, and the only reason to not fully claim is if it's a high-priority target for scum (like Doctor maybe). Otherwise, it's still just telling scum 'NK me ASAP.'

Better to either fully claim (if it helps town in some way) or to not claim at all unless totally necessary. Even VTs claiming is dumb, because it just lets scum narrow down the possible PR list. It better for a VT to be NK'd before a PR, so someone like fuzzy claiming VT right away is just dumb. It leaves him alive if town, but since he's not a strong player that helps town much, it doesn't help anyone when a stronger player/PR gets NK'd instead.

Just my $0.02 though. Obviously, it depends on the situation.