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[Andresvmb]

Like I'm saying me/dats if we are scum together as you say we are, we would just sheep frogster and push you dead yesterday because you are much easier path, barely there, and frogster thinks you are scum and there's two votes on you already not counting me/dats/frogster.

Your counterpoint seems to be "ok well then what about me pushing frog? I could easily not push frog too!" but that doesn't answer "who would you push in that position?"

You’re asking me a question I can’t fully answer. You’re asking me to exactly guess the motivation you might have had for not pushing me yesterday when I was most vulnerable. Not looking completely awful twice in a row after voting for Skitter might have been a motivation if I get executed earlier in the day, particularly if it would take you going back on your read.

[Aristeia]

Like I'm saying me/dats if we are scum together as you say we are, we would just sheep frogster and push you dead yesterday because you are much easier path, barely there, and frogster thinks you are scum and there's two votes on you already not counting me/dats/frogster.

Your counterpoint seems to be "ok well then what about me pushing frog? I could easily not push frog too!" but that doesn't answer "who would you push in that position?"

You’re asking me a question I can’t fully answer. You’re asking me to exactly guess the motivation you might have had for not pushing me yesterday when I was most vulnerable. Not looking completely awful twice in a row after voting for Skitter might have been a motivation if I get executed earlier in the day, particularly if it would take you going back on your read.

I mean your point that you're making is that you have an easier person to push than frogster but I don't really see who you could push other than frogster yesterday and who would be easier for you?

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@House -> Do you townread Ari? Or do you think Dat+Andres is most likely? Why do you feel how you do?

Ari fits nicely in my pocket and gives me warm fuzzies.

Dats has little pointy things that jab me in the leg when I try to put them in my pocket.

I don't trust anyone that is supposedly "zomgexcellent" at endgame but doesn't contribute at all UNTIL endgame.

Can you describe why Ari fits into your pocket and warm fuzzies?

I am kinda scared she might have you tribbled.

I didn't say I was in hers.

I try to pocket players as both alignments. Scum tend to be more apprehensive of my blatant pocket attempts, in my experience.

Ugh let me try this again.

Can you be more concrete in why you townread Ari?

[Andresvmb]

Like I'm saying me/dats if we are scum together as you say we are, we would just sheep frogster and push you dead yesterday because you are much easier path, barely there, and frogster thinks you are scum and there's two votes on you already not counting me/dats/frogster.

Your counterpoint seems to be "ok well then what about me pushing frog? I could easily not push frog too!" but that doesn't answer "who would you push in that position?"

You’re asking me a question I can’t fully answer. You’re asking me to exactly guess the motivation you might have had for not pushing me yesterday when I was most vulnerable. Not looking completely awful twice in a row after voting for Skitter might have been a motivation if I get executed earlier in the day, particularly if it would take you going back on your read.

I mean your point that you're making is that you have an easier person to push than frogster but I don't really see who you could push other than frogster yesterday and who would be easier for you?

Actually I’m not the one making that point. You were. I argued against who I thought was Scum. Frogsterking was quite obviously over the top and difficult to engage with. You can’t possibly argue in the same breath that I took the easy route instead of pushing literally anyone else except maybe House by pushing Frogsterking, and then say that you arguing against Frogsterking was you taking the hard road. Do you see my problem with your argument?

[House]

@House -> Do you townread Ari? Or do you think Dat+Andres is most likely? Why do you feel how you do?

Ari fits nicely in my pocket and gives me warm fuzzies.

Dats has little pointy things that jab me in the leg when I try to put them in my pocket.

I don't trust anyone that is supposedly "zomgexcellent" at endgame but doesn't contribute at all UNTIL endgame.

Can you describe why Ari fits into your pocket and warm fuzzies?

I am kinda scared she might have you tribbled.

I didn't say I was in hers.

I try to pocket players as both alignments. Scum tend to be more apprehensive of my blatant pocket attempts, in my experience.

Ugh let me try this again.

Can you be more concrete in why you townread Ari?

Not that she townreads me, someone who would be easy to get mislimmed, but that she can and does support it in a way that provides an active obstacle TO my elimination.

Kinda like MorningTweet did in the game we were in together. Though the 2 scenarios are obviously not identical, I still get the same vibes.

Looking beyond the, "ooh, this LOOKS bad" and deducing the motives behind my play is ++ town to me.

[Aristeia]

I am saying for me, it is much easier to push you yesterday because you are mostly inactive, you have 2 votes on you, and you have 2 votes on you(house,ss) and frogster was also susp of you. It is a layup for me/datisi to push you and kill you yesterday.

That same path does not exist for you because you can't kill yourself.

Hence why your "i can do the same thing" defense is quite bad?

[Aristeia]

I wasn’t in Frogsterking’s radar until I started pushing them. You’re saying you can just sheep them and push me over the edge. Okay, perhaps that’s true in a vacuum, but that would also apply to me too. I was also TR’ing you pretty strongly, and said so. So you probably don’t want me dead there just yet.

this is you saying you can also do the same thing as me

but it's not really true because who would you push? I don't really see a viable path for scum!you.

[MathBlade]

@House -> Do you townread Ari? Or do you think Dat+Andres is most likely? Why do you feel how you do?

Ari fits nicely in my pocket and gives me warm fuzzies.

Dats has little pointy things that jab me in the leg when I try to put them in my pocket.

I don't trust anyone that is supposedly "zomgexcellent" at endgame but doesn't contribute at all UNTIL endgame.

Can you describe why Ari fits into your pocket and warm fuzzies?

I am kinda scared she might have you tribbled.

I didn't say I was in hers.

I try to pocket players as both alignments. Scum tend to be more apprehensive of my blatant pocket attempts, in my experience.

Ugh let me try this again.

Can you be more concrete in why you townread Ari?

Not that she townreads me, someone who would be easy to get mislimmed, but that she can and does support it in a way that provides an active obstacle TO my elimination.

Kinda like MorningTweet did in the game we were in together. Though the 2 scenarios are obviously not identical, I still get the same vibes.

Looking beyond the, "ooh, this LOOKS bad" and deducing the motives behind my play is ++ town to me.

I don’t remember this game and it’s late.

Can you give me a title or something?

[House]

@House -> Do you townread Ari? Or do you think Dat+Andres is most likely? Why do you feel how you do?

Ari fits nicely in my pocket and gives me warm fuzzies.

Dats has little pointy things that jab me in the leg when I try to put them in my pocket.

I don't trust anyone that is supposedly "zomgexcellent" at endgame but doesn't contribute at all UNTIL endgame.

Can you describe why Ari fits into your pocket and warm fuzzies?

I am kinda scared she might have you tribbled.

I didn't say I was in hers.

I try to pocket players as both alignments. Scum tend to be more apprehensive of my blatant pocket attempts, in my experience.

Ugh let me try this again.

Can you be more concrete in why you townread Ari?

Not that she townreads me, someone who would be easy to get mislimmed, but that she can and does support it in a way that provides an active obstacle TO my elimination.

Kinda like MorningTweet did in the game we were in together. Though the 2 scenarios are obviously not identical, I still get the same vibes.

Looking beyond the, "ooh, this LOOKS bad" and deducing the motives behind my play is ++ town to me.

I don’t remember this game and it’s late.

Can you give me a title or something?

I'm too lazy to type a title. How about a link?

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=87762

[Andresvmb]

I am saying for me, it is much easier to push you yesterday because you are mostly inactive, you have 2 votes on you, and you have 2 votes on you(house,ss) and frogster was also susp of you. It is a layup for me/datisi to push you and kill you yesterday.

That same path does not exist for you because you can't kill yourself.

Hence why your "i can do the same thing" defense is quite bad?

I’m not defending myself by arguing I can’t push myself - that’s quite obvious. You’re twisting what I’m saying. I concede that pushing Frogsterking yesterday is harder than pushing me. No denying that’s the case, particularly given the votes that I had on me. But you get to do two things now: you get to argue that I didn’t have any other choice (and do you really believe this?), and you get to say exactly what you’re saying now. But that’s if you reduce the Scum motivation to simply looking for the easiest path to executing Town in the short run, and never looking at the big picture. This is obviously not the case, and it wouldn’t be the case with a Team that contained you or Datisi. I’m an easier push yesterday, but I’m also an easy push today. I’m still in the POE, I haven’t been super active, and House has been constantly tunneling me. If you take me out yesterday, perhaps other players look worse than you do. But you have to contend with House reevaluating, and being left with having to push exactly Frogsterking today. And that’s probably a more annoying prospect than pushing me now.

[MathBlade]

That works! Just wanted something to look up so I could find the game

Lol that game was hilarious

Almost won that …almost

[MathBlade]

Ari why do you townread House?

[House]

That works! Just wanted something to look up so I could find the game

Lol that game was hilarious

Almost won that …almost

Wrong game!

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=84&t=87652

[Andresvmb]

It’s 1:30am and I’m working tomorrow. I’ll be back later. Just ping me if you want any questions answered. I’ll still try and ISO Aristeia just to be sure I’m not insane.

[MathBlade]

That works! Just wanted something to look up so I could find the game

Lol that game was hilarious

Almost won that …almost

Wrong game!

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=84&t=87652

Ooh cool

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I had another dumb thought.

What if scum didn’t know who their buddy was?

And this is goon, goon, traitor?

Who thinks that’s dumb?

[House]

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[Aristeia]

I had another dumb thought.

What if scum didn’t know who their buddy was?

And this is goon, goon, traitor?

Who thinks that’s dumb?

I said this already

[MathBlade]

I had another dumb thought.

What if scum didn’t know who their buddy was?

And this is goon, goon, traitor?

Who thinks that’s dumb?

I said this already

Yes. So apparently you don’t think it’s dumb.

I am asking for who thinks it is dumb.

[Aristeia]

I think it would explain why our PRs are so bad

[MathBlade]

I think it would explain why our PRs are so bad

It also would give the fake inno I was thinking with cop.

Traitors are also immune to GS.

But they also lose if their main honcho gets elimmed

So that head honcho player would be deep wolfed.

[MathBlade]

I think it would explain why our PRs are so bad

It also would give the fake inno I was thinking with gunsmith like cop

Traitors are also immune to GS.

But they also lose if their main honcho gets elimmed

So that head honcho player would be deep wolfed.

Ugh I can’t type

[MathBlade]

Vote Count 1.08

Laplacian (7):

Reformed Toxic Player, Andresvmb, Datisi, Aristeia, House, Frogsterking, Almost50

Almost50 (2):

VP Baltar, skitter30

innocentvillager (1):

OutWorldER

Frogsterking (1):

Laplacian

Datisi (1):

innocentvillager

Not Voting (1):

Something_Smart

With 13 alive, it took 7 to eliminate.

In traitor world we’d be looking more at Ari/House traitor and main goon combo.

[House]

I swear, just stay tf away from me.

[Aristeia]

I giggled a bit