Mini 2006: Scummer in this game UPick GAME OVER

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Nahdia
MathDino
OnTheMark
Lovebird
Lady Lambdadelta
Pine
Not_Mafia
MOMOMEN

So assume OnTheMark, Pine, Nahdia, and Lovebird are spewed town. (In about that order of strength.)

You're left with:
MathDino
Lady Lambdadelta
Not_Mafia
MOMOMEN

...Two scum in this pool.

If I were asked to rate the confidence in scum being in there. It'd be about 57.5%.
Or rather, both scum.
One scum, good 90%, but we're talking, both remaining scum. That's 57.5%.

Still. I could use some crowdsource feedback on my process here.
NicoRobin and I are conftown by virtue of being masons and also shooting scum.

OnTheMark is more likely town through a combination of their role being Asceticizer when scum had an Ascetic and via play being more likely to be town.
Pine is more likely town through a combination of Kokichi Oma spewing the slot as town, role symmetry with Mathdino, and previously mentioned reasons I was townreading him which still hold: the Alisae play, the Alisae replace, Pine's play, their gamesolving, their thought process, and so on and so forth. (I've posted on this before.)
Nahdia is more likely town through a combination of Kokichi spewing the masonclaimers as town, Nahdia retracting the claim when doing so as scum then would be disadvantageous to scum, and general townplay from both beeboy and Nahdia.
Lovebird is more likely town through a combination of Kokichi spewing the masonclaimers as town, Lovebird's thought process bleeding town when the claim was retracted, and beeboy having a solid read there which is something which may be trustworthy especially from a Team Mafia mod. (Team Mafia mods are privy to some info from Ellibereth.)

That'd leave those four names, yes? Two of which would be scum, yes?

I guess I can lay down an initial vote now.
VOTE: Not_Mafia.
50% odds of being scum aren't the best, but they beat random odds.

...sigh

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{cheeky, eddie, yume, mastina} are aligned with town

good start

Cheeky is blatantly town, and I caught them in what was probably their most proud scum game ever so )))) Mastina and Yume are day 1 mason claims and its ludicrous this many of you are retarded enough to try and lynch in claimed masons day 1. Even. If. They're. Scum. Bad. Play. Fucking shame.

I haven't seen Beeboy's scum game and this is way more effort than I'm used to, but it seems like /generally/ good stuff and I can call him town without hating myself atm.

That's about where my actual town reads end because yall are insisting on being gamethrowing scumfucks. Mom has some pings but overall he's a town lean for <redacted>. EDIT: and KTS outed we think they're a possible power role, so <unredacted>. Lovebird is in their town meta more than their scum one, I don't like their catchup but they're still likely town ig.

I can't really explain it but LLD seems extremely slightly town. Just their lack of control on the game. The way they handled me in TM was a bit different, I don't think scum LLD would be as controlling at this part of the game anyways but like I dunno if I have to waffle in a direction it's town. I would like to believe Maria can read someone she's played 50 games with to the point they won't 100% confidently say they're town if they're scum, so I guess I need to call Kokichi town despite what I'd like to. He has a godawful iso though to be fair he's at page 20 so that could be an explanation.

I don't have any outright scumreads at this point (inb4 its because the masons are 2 of the scum Kappa BibleThump). Maria is a little in their town meta, but it feels unnatural how they're treating our hydra now and they do weird ass ate shit as scum so iunno. Wis is just better than he's been here with his constant nonsensical pushes. Sudo's pushes on the hydras and that whole interaction is godawful, and they're both players with better scum games, though I did get a couple random town pings from their posts. I still don't remember any posts from Red.

To sum up,

{Eddie, Cheeky} - town
{Mastina, Yume} - mason claim grants immunity. still waiting on a thing. yume, i swear to god, if you're lying about being masons and do the thing i'm blacklisting you for real.
{Beeboy} - townie
{Mom, Lovebird} - townish
{LLD, Kokichi} - meh
{Maria, Wis, Sudo, Red} - scummish

This was written about 15-20 pages ago butu is still mostly recent. we need to establish what's happening with bee and love. 2 mason claims is possible (and hell we've seen neg util town) but it isnt if we ALSO have things like a lie detector and a day cop and whatever other fakeclaim bs is happening. i still don't have any strong scumreads.

wow, no scum in the top half of my reads

:thonkang:

scum bussing???\
this was a long time ago but is still mostly relevant. we could do otm. we could do pine. we could do lld i guess. any other lynch today is bad and not eddie cane approved

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also

nahdia is an option if her play drops

but i did lean town on beebopalooza aside from mason shenanigans which i statedly never believed anyways

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Okay

let me say this while I'm slightly calm

I rarely truly believe I am obviously town, and this is one of those times

I shout I'm town a lot but its hard for people to lock town me because of my scum game and playstyle. Here though, I really should be obvious town and for maybe the first time ever I flat out don't understand where all these scumreads on my slot are coming from.

- I spent all of day 1 defending Mastina and Yume. We now know they are the town masons. This includes when the claims were "questionable" (they weren't, I'm just good at mafia) and when they were cc'd.
- I correctly asserted Beeboy as gambitting.
- I correctly put a town bloc that does not contain scum. Mathdinkle particularly should be screaming this and it annoys me that he isn't immensely. He knows I was right about his slot because he can see his role pm. He knows I was right about Lovebird because he can read Lovebird. He isn't voting me but I really expect a more overt defense. This isn't me fosing him, that slot is still incredibly town, I'm still good at mafia, its me middle finger emoji ing him.
- The only possibility for scum in that bloc is Nahdia, but as Alisae (Pine's slot) said I believe, Beeboy was obvtown. His scum game is supposedly lurkshit. I'll expand on him a bit later.
- But the big thing and why this isn't me faking my town game, which I know at least some of you are paranoid of: KTS. Read his posts. They fucking spew town. Read his everything. They fucking spew town. I can full meta him for you but I don't think its wanted.

Its annoying me so so much how much shit I have to put up in this game. The thing keeping me sane was Mastina but the fact she's now entertaining scum me honestly makes me want to throw my arms up and rage quit.

Why Mastina is town

Yume isn't fakeclaiming masons.

Why Yume is town

Becuase Yume is obvious town and claiming masons.

Why Mathdino is town

- Cheeky is bad at scum.
- Not as bad as she thinks, but definitely can't fake her town essence.
- Her anger towards me this game is NOTHING in her scum range. At. All.
- When I was town against Cheeky scum and correctly caught her and had to deal with a slew of absolute morons (sorry Dinkle), Cheeky was apologetic to me. She scum claimed to me a few times and almost flat out gave up through her posts to me. She felt genuinely bad about how bad town was and empathized with my frustration that they kept ignoring me despite "the best post of MS history" -mulch, and others.
- Her play, activity, majorly tone is all completely her town game. I don't really get how to read Dino but that slot is close to irredeemably town and this is not anything abnormal from the town!dinos I've played with.

Why MOMOMEN are town

- see above
- role pm


The above are lock non negotiable town. To extend it further,

town!Beeboy might genuinely have a lock reason to read Lovebird. Mathdinkle can read Love too and I believe he said he agrees with Love being town. Pending that, my own read of Lovebird is town.

Dino has a lock read on NM. Like he said, NM is playing his scum game rn, but overall that slot is still town. This is me telling Dino to not be lazy with this read, but again, for now this is strongish town and that helps me immensely because this was a scummy / absent slot.



{Nahdia, OTM, LLD, Pine} are left. First, looking at Mara, most notable thing is all the NM fosing (nudge nudge don't get lazy). strong townreads me but also pine, ugh. Scumread Red / Kokichi and other lowest read is now-OTM. Looks like he has good reads overall. If he was killed over his claim, probably was OTM to do this trash push today. More likely just about his reads though, and a low info kill. Shrug. Looks suboptimal to me no matter who the scum are.

Nahdia... nothing to say about her. Let's talk Beeboy. Elli did an experimental thing when he was learning where he tried a ton of random things, one of the specific examples he cited was faking masons as town. Bee's learning from Elli and likes to gamble, so from him specifically I don't consider a fake mason claim AI. Think Mulch. He could be PoE scum, but that resembled his solvy town game and not his bleh scum game. Light townread, weaker than it used to be.

LLD I just don't really have pings. I don't understand why they said they'd BoP me and then actively ignored my pushes D1 and so far D2, but I don't understand a lot of what LLD does. Meh. PoE slot, I don't like how offhandedly they town clear all my suspects for what are probably bad reasons.

Pine, again, some town pings from Ali, mostly scum. Don't like his angle or pushing. Meh.

OTM, only slot I don't really have a reason to townread. Wisdom had some logical stuff but was still PoE scum. Still think TvS Pine / OTM so meh probably my ideal lynch today. Also gets rid of the nonsense.

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At this point, there's a lot of townie slots and while we do have a scum flip so it kind of makes sense there's still some scum playing well.

A proper mass claim might solve a lot or a bit of it, today or tomorrow, probably the latter. Pretty much every slot has softclaimed anyways.

Shoutout Maria and her top townread getting vigged!

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My ISO will probably be good for giving you a sense of the game anyways, I was around / a part / a cause of a lot of the discussion and it should give you a feel for what pretty much every slot has done due to the sheer amount I've said

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At this point, there's a lot of townie slots and while we do have a scum flip so it kind of makes sense there's still some scum playing well.

A proper mass claim might solve a lot or a bit of it, today or tomorrow, probably the latter. Pretty much every slot has softclaimed anyways.

Shoutout Maria and her top townread getting vigged!

This can die.

referring to yourself in the third person is weird dude

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you very likely won't be alive for that friend

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Momo

To be honest I frankly think that quite realistically it's probably MOMOMEN as the third scum with the second scum most likely being in LLD/Mathdino, probably Mathdino.

VOTE: Mathdino.

Why?

Honestly.

Just general feelings, I don't really have much in the way of specifics.

Like really

this one singular post was like a punch in the gut in terms of how I felt about this game

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And a flipped town in the bottom half of your reads. Actually, two, because Momrangal was in the bottom-3-tiers. And a bunch of players who haven't flipped because it's D2 and we only have three flips. And two of your reads are a given because no duh the masons are town so obviously you'd townread them and be correct there. None of that says anything.

except that there was a mason cc, a lot of the game was fosing you, mara was a town lean, and yes, there literally would have to be town in my PoE my PoE wasn't 3 people

I did not advocate the Maria lynch nor do anything to make it happen

You should have the self-awareness to know why this post is many levels of 'ew', Eddie.

and you should have the awareness of my play to know posts like that are part of my style

ew yourself

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See the thing is your own POE is saying you're scum here.

is this gonna be a Mastina Gets In a Tunnel And Fits Logic To Her Narrative game?

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god damn i love this avatar

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{Nahdia, OTM, LLD, Pine}

conditionally, Not Mafia and I guess but not really Lovebird could be in here.

do you townread Lovebird?

the condition for NM is you revoking your read.

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This is not proven; what IS proven is that you had two town in the bottom half (you had six tiers and both flipped town were in the three lower tiers).

and I never attempted to lynch either of them, and one at least strongly townread me lol the one with good reads I dont remember marias

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It is precisely that--entertaining it. If you are town then this shouldn't bother you because I am allowed to press and reevaluate reads, even fundamental townreads I've held the whole game...ESPECIALLY fundamental townreads I've held the whole game, actually.

If you are town then I'm confident it'll show by the time I'm done pushing. But in order to know that, I need to push these points.

yet you also know I'm an emotional player, and you (presumably) know I'm good at handling pressure as scum (and by that I mean faking my town reaction)

a scum pool of me and the player I'm strongly townreading for a long reaction test ismt good enough

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You have an elite scumgame; calling you scum here is a compliment, not an insult. Every player has at least some evidence suggesting they are town. I have three metrics by which to evaluate the evidence.
-Gamethread base evidence,
-Meta feeling evidence,
-And crowdsourcing evidence. (This being, trusting the read process of others, e.g. beeboy's Lovebird-is-town; Mathdino's RedFlavor is town. Among others.)

I appreciate that, and you paranoia scumreading me rather than just scumreading me is why I'm more sad than angry.

Meta should be the strongest point to town though, because KTS is an easy meta read and he has a bunch of posts earlier.

There is no gamethread evidence. I spent 100+ posta defending uou unneccessarily. Hell you should honestly be townreading the PM I sent you and my reaction around that, that's not how xcum me would have played it.

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It would be sweet if KTS posted before getting mislynched this time, Eddie

you calledm??

im a lil drunk rn and almost beat thebfu k outta some kid but lets ro

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did we lynch mafia yet whats the happenings bro?

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bro blood if u aitn here im disappearing again imbuying more pbr LOL

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haha 90 pages ofmpure egotism and fuckinf usrlesss bikering and q0 pages of anything actually tangibpey not a monley ass conversation

it's almost like tjos was wjy i stopped playong tjis baby ass fucking game filled witha bunch of shitters who only caj ate LOL

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if ur rly thinkinh of lynchong eddie atbthos point on the game ur either gsmrhtoeing which me and eddie keep having chance encounters rith em or ur scum

hit maria and then go from there k?