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[Iconeum]

you know what?

my most certain scumread at this point is the A50 slot

[Iconeum]

hmmm

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Now does he get a TR just because he's the only other pr?

Yeah… well. I'm not very fond of jumping on the one other claimed PR without discussing this

A N3 bodyguard is possible, but I don't see how this setup is balanced around me and that role?

If I base my read on play, A50/gobble is scum

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The thing that bothers me the most about A50 slot is that he spent a lot of time defending me/townreading me/saying why i am a bad lynch

and then ends up putting me at L-1 despite that not really advancing the game (i already claimed) but calling out to not hammer me

i don't know what town!A50 wants to reach with that

he also had a TON of townreads and i don't know if scum are so willing to put out that many townreads

[Iconeum]

ehhhhhh i think Klick/Tchill arguing is TvT trying to sort and make each other see their PoV

[Iconeum]

not willing to lynch the ONE other claimed PR

Datisi

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but A50 claimed VT didn't he?

and then the claim changes to something weird

[Iconeum]

If A50 slot isn't lynched now, he's never lynched. Either we think he's scum and he dies now, or he gets to live until N3 to perform his action or be NK'd.

[Iconeum]

Luca/gobble/LUV if datisi is town

[Iconeum]

VOTE: iconeum

Dude was on every wagon that reached L-1.

Dude claimed cop when he didn't have to. Some say scum wouldn't claim dop d1. Well I say scum also wouldn't be on every L-1 wagon unless he's just that aggressive... He could be.

Alisae's last read was a luca/Icon scum team.

He used his action on the player most likely to be killed if town.

If icon is still alive next day phase he will automatically be my lynch. I'm not gonna risk scum skating by on a fake claim to a victory like that. That's on town if scum win by, fake claiming cop d1.

this was the post after which A50 switched from his townread to voting me, hesitantly

i can buy that coming from A50 town

[Iconeum]

UNVOTE:

VOTE: Tchill

This is what my gut's telling me right now.

this vote didn't make a whole lot of sense

Luca is scumreading Datisi, thinks one of the lurkers needs rope (mostly A50), and when Datisi wagon is dying down immediately jumps on the opportunity to move vote without losing face

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*moving vote away from scumread and not onto what Luca feels should be lynched today in A50/Datisi/Uzi

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I'm fairly sure it's not Luca/Datisi in any case

but this seems like a perfect bracket to lynch in today

[Iconeum]

*moving vote away from scumread and not onto what Luca feels should be lynched today in A50/Datisi/Uzi

Luca had already said he doesn't think LUV should get lynched

and how much has Luca talked about lynching Tchill?

[Iconeum]

this game is melting my brain

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I’m starting to feel like she might be Town after all.

what changed?

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If you guys kill before i can get into the game I’m going to be so upset for so many reasons

wait wait wait

YOU decided to replace in
YOU decided you can't read the actual game (yet?)
YOU decided that we need to massclaim BEFORE reading the actual game on D2
YOU are not participating in what is a very elaborate and active discussion and sorting

and you are blaming US for advancing the game?

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if you knew you would be unable to play for what 8? days why'd you replace in in the first place

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that is completely irrelevant

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It’s not that I can’t play dude it’s that I work 10 hours a day.

dude i'm not attacking you because you work

but because you are trying to slowing this game down from it's natural flow that it has going

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also u were hardly responsible for cracking anything open

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no no this is fine

we can just not post anymore until weekend, then my VLA hits

and coming monday i'll just sheep whatever gobble cracked open

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So..? Everyone this game is active. It’s not going to be hard to find the votes

if you'd actually be reading anything at all, you'd know this is not true and is a major part of the discussion

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also u were hardly responsible for cracking anything open

Yes, yes I was, but keep telling yourself that

we can have this discussion in the post game chat there, because your self-awarded credit is irrelevant to this game

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So..? Everyone this game is active. It’s not going to be hard to find the votes

if you'd actually be reading anything at all, you'd know this is not true and is a major part of the discussion

LUV is the only one from what I can tell. I think he siteflaked because his game has been filled but he hasn’t started it yet

you conveniently left A50 and yourself out of that

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i probably should've just hammered

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actually let's lynch A50/gobble

he's very much capable of wanting Ali dead

like he's the only player i can see making that call and have a reason for i!t

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All I'm saying is when town is this confused it's usually due to active town chasing active town. I'd bet the game 1 scum is in A50/LUV.Then 1 scum in probably datisi/klick.That is my 100 percent unbiased read of the game.

i'm thinking this is gonna be close to the truth

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GIVE ME TWO GODTURKEY DAYS FTS

hey dude did you see everyone unvoting? you've been granted your goddamn time but are AGAIN complaining about other players talking game-relevant material?

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VLA weekend

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i mean after today, but i thought that fits in nicely and this gives gobbley the chance to solve the game for us

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Did you not see how I cracked the last game open? Give me time and this is a town win. Didn’t think I would need to explain this to you again xonsidering you came at me for the exact same reason that game

but he promised

no no i'm not playing anymore until he has caught up and solved the game

i have full confidence he has a solve ready, probably based on the massclaim that he invoked

[Iconeum]

Iconeum can attest to its success in our recent game together.

You mean that game where you incorrectly determined I was scum based on that chart, right? That game? You had like a 50% success average which is like actually terrible to base anything on.

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For these reasons, I believe this should be our kill order {LUV, Datisi, Luca Blight, Klick, Tchill13} with the scum team more than likely being LUV/Datisi.VOTE: LUV

You decide to vote when you have caught up to about 25% of the game and flow charts that can be replaced by flipping a coin for equal success? Flow charts that are skewed because activity =/= allignment. You clear 2 slots because they are active, and completely ignore the fact they had 'positive' lines because they were in a huge discussion (i'm not pushing either of Klick or Tchill with this, just questioning the reads from gobble).

20 pages so you have seen exactly zero of the actual content of this game

great

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Because they aren’t enjoying the game. Why aren’t they enjoying the game? Because they are possibly scum.

Because some players just don't like having to read a crap ton of new pages as either allignment? Are you actually saying only scum cannot enjoy the game?

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Icon please vote LUV. For the luv of all that is good... Hehe.

No seriously. We need a flip. Luv is a better lynch than datisi. Idc what gobble's reasons for voting luv is.

catching up will decide afterwards

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I want datisi lynched first because the majority of players are calling her scum and the content she's provided leads me to believe she could actually be scum.

oh the old 'if everyone says something it must be true'. Like when everyone was saying the earth was flat, yeah?

Probably path of least resistance for some he already sees as having high scum equity, but I’ll let him answer

mmhmm

Page 50ish

this dude… Actually I think he believes he is solving the game. He's probably not scum I just really dislike the way he plays the game, similar to what Tchill probably thinks of me.

I want datisi lynched first

because the majority of players are calling her scum

and the content she's provided leads me to believe she could actually be scum.

Btw what's up with this?

When a majority calls someone town or scum it's usually true isn't it? I thought that was a common thing on site.

Ehh wat?

I’m fine lynching in Datisi, Gobble, and Iconeum today. I need to reread this Day 2 to really solidify or disconfirm my dislike of tchill’s play today.

Oh this is stronk read! Let's lynch in a pool that contains BOTH claimed PR's!

[Iconeum]

LUV's reads the last week have been only pushing a claimed PR, and is now putting up a lynchlist that contains BOTH PR's.

LUV what is up with that? Can you explain your thoughts behind that?

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gobbledygook - This the the slot I'm currently most unsure of. Yes, he is a claimed PR in a game full mainly of VT claims, but the nature of his claim is dubious. His predecesor was the first up in the mass-claim, and had he claimed N3 BG here then it would have held a lot more water. As it were he claimed VT and stuck to that even when he was heading towards the lynch before his replace-out. Gobble then comes in and immediately calls for a mass-claim and himself claims N3 BG which feels like an unnatural move to make. He claims he had read 0% of the thread, which I find hard to believe given the coincidence and convenience of the situation, since we had literally just finished mass-claiming. As scum he could probably see a window of opportunity whereby if he claims then it could be believable due to the apparent lack of Town power. The obscure role could also be chosen to make the claim more believable. As for his recent work, I don't buy into any of it, and none of it is particularly AI - it is a very shallow way of game-solving, in my opinion, and is based on very shaky foundations and huge assumptions

Despite me calling out about putting gobble in a lynch list, i'm having doubts about him that mirror this.

He replaces into a game and it takes him a WEEK to catch up. And even then it's not really anything substantial. The way he claimed is odd, but what he claimed is even oddddder. However, lynching here is bad because he's literally the only other claimed PR. The previous VT claim is possible, and I think we shouldn't pressure here.

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Either he's telling the truth or town are faking VT

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He’s a claimed PR that can’t use his action until Night 3.

Scum don't come into the game and claim that because it doesn't benefit them at all. If anything, it puts them behind. The lack of actual use for scum is making me think he is actually town despite everything.

Scum are much more aware of everything and they don't fakeclaim something useless to them that might bite them in the ass later on.

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Or he’s scum because despite his claim, his play seems designed to look busy.

I agree with this tho. He was passive until a couple days before the deadline and was pushing all actives to slow down. BUT there is NO scum benefit to his claim, and I don't think he would claim that as scum. It overwrites anything else in my book.

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There was no risk to claiming there because of how A50 replaced out.

There was no risk, sure. But if scum claims VT and the next time his slot claims anything else it draws attention. Unwanted attention. And he gets no actual benefit from it either. It's not scum.

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Icon, would you describe your previous experience with gobble as 'trying to look busy'? Because that was the sense I was getting from your posts complaining about him

I think he believes he is contributing and 'solving the game'

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I'm just having trouble with teh fact he replaced in and it took him THAT long to even start reading

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if he caught up in like 2 days and posted all of that, we wouldn't even be having this talk

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What exactly is Datisi town meta again?

Pre-Ali interference I think Datisi was not in town meta

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Datisi as town is spammy and scum-hunting minded. Gifs as filler but definitely a lot of trying to gamesolve

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Iconeum

Luca Blight
Lil Uzi Vert

Klick

Datisi

gobbledygook

Tchill13

I PoE'd to a 'would lynch' list

I'm town
Klick and Tchill have been efforting, interacting and trying to solve the game. Tchill moreso then Klick. If gobble is scum I just don't know anymore. If this is actually scum then next time i'm gonna try to move as well. I just don't see it as scum.

That leaves Datisi (my D1 scumread),
Luca (reading back this is not scum with Datisi, and has a strange readslist in 2302 voting for gobble. I'd lynch this slot last from these 3.
And LUV: ISO lacking scumhunting, half naked reads (2246), 2277 feels more like shading then actual scumhunting.

So my official lynching list from favorite to least

LUV
Datisi
Luca
(Klick)

[Iconeum]

VOTE: LUV

let's go

[Iconeum]

Actually, I think you are townread by most. Let's have someone else hammer

[Iconeum]

UNVOTE:

VOTE: Datisi

I'm still willing to compromise here if anyone is interested.

Luca you know this will look bad if LUV flips scum right :p

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I don’t feel like my Datisi and Gobble reasons are without reason. I think I explained my issue with how tchill opened today and his case on me.

I don't see how you can scumread Gobble with him claiming and how he went about it.

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I don’t feel like my Datisi and Gobble reasons are without reason. I think I explained my issue with how tchill opened today and his case on me.

I’ve also explained my read on Iconeum recently.

I don’t buy that he’s actually read my ISO

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The way he did it seemed like a scum gambit, where he could gain benefit of the doubt because it appears on the surface an odd move for scum to make

Okay so a gambit, sure. But the purpose of a gambit is to achieve something. Gobble was not under pressure. What do you think scum him has to gain from switching claims?

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icon vote datisi.

if she's town i'm never gonna hear the end of it

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This post was made

following

the mass-claim:

If you are Town then I’ll be really disappointed. I can understand feeling out of sync in a game, but if you’re not even going to try then what’s the point? You’re just letting the rest of us down, as there is no way to really distinguish whether you scum who has given up or Town who is not bothered. There is so much info now and the game is there for the taking, and here you are saying ‘Lynch me as I’m out of sync’? I’m sorry but that is pathetic.

If you think anything I say or do will help you're far off base. Both Tchill & Icon have decided I should be lynched and there's no way to change that. ANYTHING I say or do will be seen as a scum move by me. Suppose I suddenly decided to effort. "That's scum him trying to get out of the nooze". Suppose I stayed the way I am. "That's scum him giving up". There is no way I'm getting out of this, and even if I somehow managed to escape the lynch today I am the designated lynch tomorrow. Too much trouble for no gain at all.

Tell me how this makes sense if he is the N3 BG? Everyone has claimed VT apart from Icon, yet he's still complaining about there being nothing he can do that can prevent his lynch? About about claiming his real role?

It doesn't add up.

Oh this is good.

[Iconeum]

Datisi/A50 could make sense

otherwise LUV/?

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ok i'm down for Datisi if I can hammer her

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aren't we better off lynching Gobble first then?

[Iconeum]

I see what ya'll are saying but in that scenario Gobble's the better lynch over Datisi...

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welp here goes nothing

VOTE: gobble

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ok i'm down for Datisi if I can hammer her

WHATR THE FUCK IVE NEVER ASKED TO HAMMER IN A GAME AND NOW ALL OF A SUDDEN ITS A POINT OF DEBATE. THIS IS A CIRCUS.

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its not happening. datisi or luv

You think it's exactly Datisi/LUV?

If you think it's gobble/Datisi explain why Datisi over gobble

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Also what the fuck are the last two pages.

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I'm pretty sure it's datisi/A50.

Actually seriously, please explain why Datisi is the better lynch over gobble?

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Tchill, you criticize others for not co-operating, but you expect everything on your terms.

Do you not think from the example that I provided that it makes no sense why A50 would not claim if he really was N3 BG?

You seem to be considering the possibility that Gobble could be scum yourself, so why are you refusing to compromise on this?

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Also how is this not a reasonable scum team?

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you guys have went in more cirrcles than nascar drivers

I want you to list exactly who has gone in circles first

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datisi's contnet is actually the scummiest of the players alive.

well case it ffs?

'this is scum' is terrible scumhunting by itself

enlighten us

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if everything was on my terms yall wouldnt have mislynched flippy. idk what else to tell you man.

will you please stop with the fucking egotrip already?

OKAY ur the best, you know everything, we all suck.

Now start working with everyone

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datisi's contnet is actually the scummiest of the players alive.

well case it ffs?

'this is scum' is terrible scumhunting by itself

enlighten us

I could just lie and say im a cop and datisi is scum.

You'd encourage that kind of play.

no i wouldn't

make one more post like this, i dare you

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I could just lie and say im a cop and datisi is scum. You'd encourage that kind of play.

This is incredibly dodgy when asked to actually present scummy!Datisi.

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You believe Gobble because scum could have played that situation better, but you didn't TR Icon at all after his claim despite the fact it would have been terrible scum play.

He believes gobble, but he also just said gobble is scum with Datisi wtf?

[Iconeum]

Is it literally Gobble/Tchill?

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icon vote datisi.

if she flips town its LUV/Luca

If she flips scum she's scum with A50.

Datisi scumteam with A50/gobble according to Tchill

but does NOT want to lynch gobble, because gobble is town because of his claim.

While scumreading me for my claim which was ten times better

VOTE: Tchill

[Iconeum]

shes been scummy. Thats my case. That will be my case. today, tomorrow and the next day.

This is complete and utter bullshit. You are faking a scumread that you have no interest in fleshing out.

[Iconeum]

Tchill if you are town please explain why you are unwilling to discuss actual scum content from Datisi, how you are scumreading Gobble with Datisi and are unwilling to lynch Gobble because his claim IS TOWN?

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I WILL NOT give a detailed case of datisi. 96 pg d2. im not reading through shit.

96 pages?

ISO her. Use the button. TWO friggin pages is nothing. Multi-quote. Will take you aproximately what, ten? minutes?

[Iconeum]

the datisi/A50 scum team is shakier

Then why you pushing Datisi so much?

[Iconeum]

To be honest I think LUV is still gonna be the lynch

[Iconeum]

But i don't really see LUV/Datisi

[Iconeum]

You know what would be pro-level play?

Gobble being town, fake claiming N3 bodyguard when he's actually N2 bodyguard.

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Maybe if y'all didn't jump at my throat every time I presented a CoNtRoVeRsIaL scumread

[Iconeum]

VOTE: whoever the fuck can actually be lynched

VOTE: gobble

[Iconeum]

The more I think about it the more a N2 protective would make sense if these are actually the only pr's

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UNVOTE:

[Iconeum]

Tchill simple question

Does town!A50 being N3 bodyguard claim VT when under pressure/getting lynched?

[Iconeum]

hope we see a d2 flip before we reach pg 100.

[Iconeum]

We ARE at pg 100

you posted this on page 101 AS A PAGETOP

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Is that not a bit sus?

already called this out just a while ago.

Even presented Tchill with teh option of JUST reading the TWO page ISO. Use Multi-Quote. You don't actually have to reread the entire game for that.

But Tchill's last pages are incredibly scummy

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my 400th post woo i really dont care about this game at allllllllllllllllllll enough to read it.

go figure i didnt know we were on pg 100.

YOU DON4T NEED TO REREAD THE GAME JUST PRESS 'ISO' ON DATISI IT'S TWO BLIPPING PAGES

[Iconeum]

icons lying ass has 490 damn.

[Iconeum]

Aaaaaah, hell Tchill, I had a feeling you were coming around to the possibility of scum!Klick at least partly due to my case? Or at least my pushing?

@icon where is my circus gif

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Tchill i'm gonna make this really easy.

You say Datisi has scummy posts. I'm asking you to quote them for us to see what you think is scummy there.

Use ISO function. It's not a lot of work.

[Iconeum]

You don't want us to lynch gobble, but you want Datisi?

Do a little bit of effort instead of 'OMFG DIS IS SCUM YOU ALL SUCKKKK IF YOU DON'T SEE IT YOU BLIND BASTARDS'

[Iconeum]

i voted gobble. you unvoted. You dont want us to lynch gobble atm.

Untrue. I'm willing to lynch gobble.

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fuck trying to actually play this game and get a flip ID LIKE TO HAVE. Im done trying to do that.

You haven't actually been playing the game tho.

Your game isn't a lot more then:

-This is scum. Fuck you all i'm not saying why. But it's scum.
-Nobody agrees with me? Fuck me and this playerbase.

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This game needs more pages tho

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at least

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VOTE: gobble

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the last 10 pages yeah.

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sucks doesnt it.

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VOTE: gobble

how old are you icon?

i'm most likely a few years ahead of you

[Iconeum]

I'm 8.

oh i retract my previous statement then

[Iconeum]

UNVOTE:

[Iconeum]

I'm checking out. I've been too toxic. Will keep post short and sweet until the end of the game. Being called egotistical set me off after the game was already pretty frustrating. I hope scum kill me. 1st game back in a year... What a way to get back into it.

let's kill datisi now

VOTE: Datisi

Datisi plz don't be mad. You are so far out of your town range by now but it's ok. You had a good scumgame.

[Iconeum]

I'm checking out. I've been too toxic. Will keep post short and sweet until the end of the game. Being called egotistical set me off after the game was already pretty frustrating. I hope scum kill me. 1st game back in a year... What a way to get back into it.

Hey dude if I triggered you i'm sorry. I was mostly having fun, and some of it was at your expense. There's no actual hard feelings towards you

Datisi/A50(gobble) is very unlikely to be the case. I'm gonna stand by my read that gobble's claim is town.

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I don't really see why this game should be frustrating to you, tho? It's been fairly active, nobody is being toxic and theres very good content to work with.
I think this has been a very good game so far. Unsure why you feel that way.

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Wait, if you think I'm scum but not with Gobble?

Yeah going through Gobble's ISO I doubt you were being bussed

[Iconeum]

I mean it's still possible, but I think you are the correct lynch. You shoulda been lynched yesterday tho

[Iconeum]

Ok. I caught up to like page 75.

Datisi and Klick had the worst votes on the Flippy wagon. The way Klick handled that end of day wagon gives him strong scum equity in my mind. Datisi's vote also seems like self preservation and it swung the momentum onto Flippy. If there's anything that anyone wants me to look over, please let me know. I'm not going to spam the thread though especially when we are so close to deadline and really just need to be focusing our efforts.

That being said, I think this is the correct play for today.

VOTE: Datisi

I would say that Datisi/LUV is my strongest pick for the scumteam, but if I am wrong about one of them then it is Klick. Driving home, but from what I remember they have been throwing out townreads on one another and given the game state and my own reads I find that peculiar.

Then with whom???

That's not even that important. We can figure that out post-flip if you actually flip red.

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It's D2 with 2 town flips. Associatives aren't everything

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Well if ur not flipping red then it's completely irrelevant isn't it?

[Iconeum]

A scummy slot with 1, possibly 2 associates, or a scummy slot wiht an absolute zero associates? Which one to vote for...

I didn't say you don't have possible ass's

[Iconeum]

PoE. I've already made this

[Iconeum]

LUV
Datisi
Luca
(Klick)

I think both scum are probably in this pile
Gobble could still be added to this, kinda. I guess.

[Iconeum]

But I prefer not lynching the ONLY other claimed PR.

Mechanically speaking it's just better not lynching him.

[Iconeum]

I don't know what to do anymore

[Iconeum]

Datisi if ur town who do we lynch tomorrow?

[Iconeum]

gg I'm Town/scum

real hammer so ehh

[Iconeum]

you were giving me (us) crap the whole time about fake claiming

[Iconeum]

yeah i think it's time

[Iconeum]

And I'll be wearing

white

, when I come into Your kingdom

♩ ♫

I'm as

Green

as the ring on my little cold finger

♫ ♪

[Iconeum]

quality pagetop

[Iconeum]

You're right about one thing Icon

You're not hearing the end of this

'They day I finallly caught scum!Datisi'?

[Iconeum]

That's not actually a question right?

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Town or scum Datisi? Just give it to me straight please I can't handle 3 hours

[Iconeum]

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well you aren't

[Iconeum]

and my scumread was a little more then that

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scum is fucked tho

[Iconeum]

I'm not gonna talk about that now in twilight with night actions about to happen

[Iconeum]

I'm with you, Luca

[Iconeum]

I was fine with losing the game as long as Luca lost. My tone changed when I thought Luca was scum. Only reason I started.

The 2 inactives won. Pretty great. That's just run of the mill on this site.

I fake claimed to spite icon specifically.

The only ppl I care to apologize to are klick and Ali. The rest can never play with me again Idc.

But klick I'm genuinely impressed with your town game. Ali I'm sorry I talked so much shit.

Worst town game I've ever played and I'm not mad. Luca and icon lost. Gg inactives.

Fake guiltied scum and it didn't matter lol.

Why did you feel the need to spite me tho?

Also, how was I inactive this game?

[Iconeum]

This little bitch is calling 500+ posts inactive?

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Icon is the sole reason I fake claimed. "fuck yall" is the moment I decided to do it. I probably never will again. Being TOXIC was kinda fun though.

I'm really incredibly sad to read this. The fact you think I did it to screw you over is disturbing. You don't even wanna consider the fact I was genuinly trying to win this game to the best of my ability.

[Iconeum]

Luca and icon lost. Gg inactives.

I read it as calling me inactive,

but now i can see he might have meant the scumteam but still?