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Posted: Wed May 13, 2020 6:30 am
by Hoctac
In post 396, Ame wrote:@Hectic - associative. You randomly mentioned him earlier. And your interaction looks partnery. Also suspect that you two are likely to have done thins configuration. Not ignoring you or anyone. I'll fully address posts I've gleaned over Friday-Saturday
Was this directed at me?

Thanks if so!

Posted: Wed May 13, 2020 6:30 am
by Albert B. Rampage
In post 394, Mohab500 wrote:
In post 16, Daenerys and Dragons wrote:hi friends!

for some reason I thought that mafia had to place at least one of each of themselves in each group. can someone confirm for me whether this is the case?

- Daenerys
Someone called this fake recently: I can confirm I had a similar thought when we began the game, perhaps because the listed mafia partition game had some ambiguous wording which made this seem like the case, so I can't really agree with that claim.
It comes off as fake as fuck and if its 2-0-1 YOU ARE THE 1.

Posted: Wed May 13, 2020 6:30 am
by Albert B. Rampage
cats
Dragons
Mohab

Theres your scum team ladies and gentlemen. Your welcome.

Posted: Wed May 13, 2020 6:31 am
by Albert B. Rampage
it will be fucking epic and glorious when 2-3 scum flip right off the day 1 lynch I am getting excited!!!!

Posted: Wed May 13, 2020 6:32 am
by Mohab500
This is a true bruh moment. I didn't know how this guy found out so quickly we were scum. You guys truly picked a garbage partition, thanks for this bullshit.

Posted: Wed May 13, 2020 6:34 am
by Albert B. Rampage
YOU SEE

ITS OVER

TOWN WINS

Posted: Wed May 13, 2020 6:34 am
by Mohab500
No joking though, looking back this guy's entire identity is based around flaming group 1, complaining about scum being stupid, and asking us to lynch group 1. Would need to check meta to see if he's just like that or if there's something with this game ticking him off.

Posted: Wed May 13, 2020 6:34 am
by Daenerys and Dragons
welp I remembered why I don’t enjoy playing with ABR when I’m town

- Daenerys

Posted: Wed May 13, 2020 6:35 am
by Albert B. Rampage
GROUP 3 IS LYNCHBAIT DO NOT VOTE GROUP 3

VOTE GROUP 1 OR 2

1 IF YOU LIKE TO WIN FAST

2 IF YOU LIKE LONG GAMES WITH LOW INFO

THERE ARE YOUR CHOICES

Posted: Wed May 13, 2020 6:36 am
by Mohab500
I just noticed, checking meta isn't even necessary at this point. This guy is misleading the rest of town, so I say if we only lose two town members at the most, we should just lynch group 2 to get rid of him. VOTE: group 2 I think my vote is on them, but just to confirm.

Posted: Wed May 13, 2020 6:37 am
by Albert B. Rampage
Correct. Group 2 is the safest lynch for the day. Scumhunting is not needed to win this game only outWIFOM scum.

Posted: Wed May 13, 2020 6:38 am
by Albert B. Rampage
In post 407, Daenerys and Dragons wrote:welp I remembered why I don’t enjoy playing with ABR when I’m town

- Daenerys
Glad you're having fun with me in this game then!

Posted: Wed May 13, 2020 6:40 am
by Albert B. Rampage
In post 386, Mohab500 wrote:This stuff is why I told people to stop stressing so much about partitions earlier. Partitions should be used a secondary method of determining a lynch, not as the main one. Scuminess of a player should always, always take priority over random thoughts about 'what scum would do with partitions!'. Yes, lynching group 1 is incredibly risky, because if there is anything less than 2 scum in there, we instantly lose. So yes, scum probably put three there because they know we think a group 1 lynch is too risky, and they're playing on our paranoia. But hold on, what if they knew that we knew that we'd figure out they'd put all three in group 1 because we consider it too risky? So they split them up to 1-1-1, or 1-0-2. But hold on, we also know that they'd know that we would know that they would know that we would know the risk of lynching group 1. So we don't lynch group 1, but hey, hold on...

And it goes on and you could make the same argument for pretty much every logical partition choice. It makes no sense to keep theorising this much about partitions when there are way too many possibilities and in the end, we only end up misleading ourselves into thinking someone is scum because of how we think the partition is split.

I am going to go ahead and skim the previous pages to get reads on players, I am still fairly lost on what's going on and who's reading who in what fashion. I recommend everyone drop the partition issue for now and we'll deal with it when we actually get some good leads regarding the players themselves. Anyone who keeps trying to predict the partitions isn't trying to scumhunt: they're just pretending to scumhunt.
This literally reads like backtracking scum trying to add 2nd level WIFOM when their logic stopped at level 1 WIFOM and they got completely trapped.

Posted: Wed May 13, 2020 6:41 am
by Hoctac
In post 408, Albert B. Rampage wrote:GROUP 3 IS LYNCHBAIT DO NOT VOTE GROUP 3

VOTE GROUP 1 OR 2

1 IF YOU LIKE TO WIN FAST

2 IF YOU LIKE LONG GAMES WITH LOW INFO

THERE ARE YOUR CHOICES
What?

Why is voting Group 2 better than Group 3? Getting rid of "lynchbait" is surely better than yourself and another.

Posted: Wed May 13, 2020 6:42 am
by Hoctac
(yourself is worse because you know for sure you're town)

Posted: Wed May 13, 2020 6:43 am
by Albert B. Rampage
we lynch group 1 we get 2 scum guaranteed maybe 3.

Game becomes 1 scum v 4 town
Scum kill
1 v 3 town

2 lynches to catch 1 scum. Easy odds for town to win.

Posted: Wed May 13, 2020 6:44 am
by Mohab500
In post 155, Ame wrote:Clidd and Albert for scum
I actually like this, feels like a townie who finally found a lead, I can confirm I got a very similar feeling the moment Clidd posted so I can sympathize, I guess.

Posted: Wed May 13, 2020 6:46 am
by Hoctac
In post 395, Daenerys and Dragons wrote:
In post 385, Hoctac wrote:
In post 377, Daenerys and Dragons wrote:It’s not the “ie” I missed. I think I read this as “one of them [mafia] must be in each of the groups.”

I don’t even think this could be called a townslip, I just read the rules incorrectly.

- Daenerys
Really, you don't think that would be a townslip? I struggle to believe you think that.

Are you aware mafia form partitions pregame, and would therefore be very aware of how they can insert themselves in the groups, and would be discussing strategies?
I mean I just had the rules wrong in my head this whole time about how mafia have to allocate themselves. I don’t particularly think that’s alignment indicative? Are you saying it’s a “townslip” because mafia would discuss whether or not they have to allocate one to each group?

- Daenerys
Yeah, it would be a townslip since that misinterpretation would certainly be addressed and corrected while they formed partitions, as understanding that rule correctly is essential to that process.

Do you still disagree it would be a townslip?

Posted: Wed May 13, 2020 6:46 am
by Mohab500
In post 174, Albert B. Rampage wrote:
1/1/1 is a long hard road to victory for the scum, they automatically lose 1 player no matter what the town does.

If I were scum I would put all in 1 group.
Aren't you just now suddenly criticizing this move? What happened?

Posted: Wed May 13, 2020 6:47 am
by Albert B. Rampage
In post 418, Mohab500 wrote:
In post 174, Albert B. Rampage wrote:
1/1/1 is a long hard road to victory for the scum, they automatically lose 1 player no matter what the town does.

If I were scum I would put all in 1 group.
Aren't you just now suddenly criticizing this move? What happened?
It takes a lazy bastard to catch other lazy bastards.

Posted: Wed May 13, 2020 6:47 am
by Hoctac
In post 408, Albert B. Rampage wrote:GROUP 3 IS LYNCHBAIT DO NOT VOTE GROUP 3

VOTE GROUP 1 OR 2

1 IF YOU LIKE TO WIN FAST

2 IF YOU LIKE LONG GAMES WITH LOW INFO

THERE ARE YOUR CHOICES
Albert could be scum for this post tbh.

Like, why
never
vote Group 3 because "lynchbait", but Group 2 is fine, especially when he should know he's town?

Posted: Wed May 13, 2020 6:47 am
by Daenerys and Dragons
In post 417, Hoctac wrote:
In post 395, Daenerys and Dragons wrote:
In post 385, Hoctac wrote:
In post 377, Daenerys and Dragons wrote:It’s not the “ie” I missed. I think I read this as “one of them [mafia] must be in each of the groups.”

I don’t even think this could be called a townslip, I just read the rules incorrectly.

- Daenerys
Really, you don't think that would be a townslip? I struggle to believe you think that.

Are you aware mafia form partitions pregame, and would therefore be very aware of how they can insert themselves in the groups, and would be discussing strategies?
I mean I just had the rules wrong in my head this whole time about how mafia have to allocate themselves. I don’t particularly think that’s alignment indicative? Are you saying it’s a “townslip” because mafia would discuss whether or not they have to allocate one to each group?

- Daenerys
Yeah, it would be a townslip since that misinterpretation would certainly be addressed and corrected while they formed partitions, as understanding that rule correctly is essential to that process.

Do you still disagree it would be a townslip?
Okay I guess I agree on your definition of a townslip? But I wasn’t faking anything, I really didn’t know the rules? This is a stupid conversation

- Daenerys

Posted: Wed May 13, 2020 6:49 am
by Hoctac
It's not a stupid conversation. We're establishing the fact that your posts at the start of the game are definitely not NAI.

If it's a genuine slip, you are town.

Otherwise, you are scum, since you wouldn't be confused about that detail.

Posted: Wed May 13, 2020 6:49 am
by Albert B. Rampage
In post 420, Hoctac wrote:
In post 408, Albert B. Rampage wrote:GROUP 3 IS LYNCHBAIT DO NOT VOTE GROUP 3

VOTE GROUP 1 OR 2

1 IF YOU LIKE TO WIN FAST

2 IF YOU LIKE LONG GAMES WITH LOW INFO

THERE ARE YOUR CHOICES
Albert could be scum for this post tbh.

Like, why
never
vote Group 3 because "lynchbait", but Group 2 is fine, especially when he should know he's town?
Because I don't want to participate longer than my obligations in a game where players prioritize having a long game over winning.

Posted: Wed May 13, 2020 6:51 am
by Daenerys and Dragons
In post 422, Hoctac wrote:It's not a stupid conversation. We're establishing the fact that your posts at the start of the game are definitely not NAI.

If it's a genuine slip, you are town.

Otherwise, you are scum, since you wouldn't be confused about that detail.
And now we are arguing about whether it’s genuine, which of course I will say it is and of course you are saying it’s not. If you believe it’s fake, then I’m not sure how I’m supposed to convince you it’s genuine.

Therefore this is a stupid conversation to be having.

- Daenerys