Flavor Leaf vs. Hectic [Game Over]

[skitter30]

Still think ur scum auro <3

Dont believe this is a real read ur head in particular has, in addition to my other issues with ur slot

[skitter30]

yeah, I'm thinking Skitter hammers Unwnd today as of right now, but we'll see what the VCA brings.

I'm fine with that so long as u listen to my reads post-flip

[skitter30]

This feels so fake lol

I feel like you should be able to tell that I was intentionally being obviously fake? :P That you're calling it out for

feeling

fake while not recognizing that I was being cheeky points to scum!you, Skitter.

-Pluto (Auro)

I mean .... i was supposed to recognize that was a cheeky post and not a aerious one when it was in line with all of ur slot's prior trajectory????

[skitter30]

hey skitter!

i'm curious about your, ah... walkies.

Hi chara!

Me?

[skitter30]

hey skitter!

i'm curious about your, ah... walkies.

Hi chara!

Me?

yes, i was wondering if you had any thoughts on the order/the fact you're now at the top.

Uh i keep forgetting that walking is something i can even do as an action ....

I didnt move overnight. Either hopkirk moved down or some other ability switched us

[skitter30]

I think Tweetie's EoD pop-in was really scummy lol

Also agree

[skitter30]

I claimed all the way back in post 12!

And i got a song n1. That is all i have to claim!

[skitter30]

Hello i am a conditional miller: i will appear to be scum if checked by an alignment cop who is below me in the pl. (And since i'm number 2, that's nearly everyone)

i am regularly vla on fridays and Saturdays

VOTE: fire

then why haven't you been trying to move down?

I keep forgetting i can until krazy posts the updated movement thing at daystart. I did this twice now

[skitter30]

I'm also, like, not sure anyone was investigating me anyways ... and for it to functionally help anything we'd need like hopkirk or whoever is right below him to be exactly an alignment cop for it to be meaningful or useful at thia this point

[skitter30]

Fire claimed to have sent the song n1, not sure if thay was real or a meme or not, or if true if its his whole role

[skitter30]

i mean... i'm also curious as to why Hopkirk would move down given your claim.

and it could have been useful. today isn't the final day of the game. you moving down at least allows the opportunity for a high-placing cop to make a check without being obvious about their movement.

like, if it will do nothing negative, but has a minor chance of doing something positive, it's pro-town.

Eh fair. Honestly mostly boils down to me forgetting abt it

[skitter30]

Fire claimed to have sent the song n1, not sure if thay was real or a meme or not, or if true if its his whole role

how wouldn't it have been real?

Well someone else claimed to have sent it for meme potential first.

Like i know i got it, just not 100% sure he's the source. He can post the name of the song to verify if he did or not

[skitter30]

Skitter's confirmed their spot in the dead thread this game sometime, it's more of a matter of when.

I'm aware and making like no effort to avoid that lol

[skitter30]

Ok work now bbl

[skitter30]

could any town in the PoE perhaps make an effort to avoid such a fate?

Eh lets rephrase that: i will make some sort of effort to avoid it via trying to sjow i am town and catching the scumz, but this is not a high effort game for me and i will not be pulling out all of the stops to avoid it, esp if fl is convinced i am scum

I'm p confident fl will give more credence to my reads post flip too

[skitter30]

I'm not sure fire is scum fwiw

[skitter30]

Maybe Nancy's just scum, and everything else kinda can make sense afterwards

I've been saying this for days lol

@xtoxm i have nothing loyal / disloyal in my role, its exactly what i claimed

[skitter30]

Want to vote in {xtoxm, tweetie, chara, venus}, they're not all town

[skitter30]

What's your read on Gamma Emerald, Skitter?

Ehhhhh town

But not super confident

[skitter30]

why?

He's disengaged in a way that looks like town-him to me

[skitter30]

I feel like taking physics that uses calculus was a poor move not having taken calculus beforehand. i have no idea how to integrate equations but thats just something you gotta know going in apparently

yeah i'm not sure what sort of physics you're taking (mechanics?) but a lot of concepts are related to each other via integration/diffrentiation, and it's a bit tricky to go from one to the other without having those skills. g'luck

~

I dont even remember what i did EoD wtf, i would love to hear this

i don't remember exactly what it was but i remember thinking at the time that it felt off/scummy/out-of-tune with the gamestate

~

ill be fricken floored if ur not scum

i ... do not understand where this read is coming from? since when do you scumread me this strongly

eh i read a bit more and see how you're defending it (4275)
- i'm not sure when you got 'breathing room' and i'm not really sure that my scumread correlates with that timewise; i don't really like that you're linking up 'breathing room' and 'timing of skitt's scumread' because to me these things aren't particularly related at all
- you were townie when it looked like you were getting wagoned, but other than that, you haven't really been, and have felt fairly off
- i don't think that you/chara are tvt

[skitter30]

xtoxm what's ur role again?

[skitter30]

also the thing with me not moving: it only matters if there's exactly an alignment cop in the people who can potentially be higher than me
it doesn't affect any other (potential) investigative

[skitter30]

also the thing with me not moving: it only matters if there's exactly an alignment cop in the people who can potentially be higher than me
it doesn't affect any other (potential) investigative

Did you ask if you are allowed to wrap around from the top to the bottom of the list?

that actually didn't occur to me to do, but i can ask

[skitter30]

also the thing with me not moving: it only matters if there's exactly an alignment cop in the people who can potentially be higher than me
it doesn't affect any other (potential) investigative

So if Xtoxm visited you, you’d show up as town?

So is FL right then?

i'm not sure what exactly his role is, so it's hard for me to say
i'm a conditional miller so if being a miller can't mess up with what his role is than yes?

[skitter30]

ok that's the answer ^
thanks krazy!

[skitter30]

i think your insistence that theres scum in me and chara is bad then yeah. That comment is with regards to you back to back suspecting town start of today

i mean more how you wavered on me being scum as i was about to die then went back to pretty hard on scumreading today for whatever reasons are being used. im not thinking about it very hard but i do expect scum to hold me in PoE eternally here and the only time you actually read me correct was when it didnt matter

while we're on the subject is there a scumread on me that doesnt go along the lines of "Playing off"? I get it i get it im extremely off skew i know, it's nothing like my scum meta or town meta though so i dont get why i get placed down for it rather than null. maybe unwnd has something better

- your/chara's early game interactions really, really didn't feel tvt to me
- why are you townrading chara? related: why is it so strange to you that i think there's at least one scum in your pair
- you were pretty townie just before you were going to get flipped - that's why i thought you were townie at that point. but since you then kinda haven't been, so i changed my mind

[skitter30]

i think ur exclusively suspecting town in me/venus/chara so unless youve got more then that is concerning to an extent, especially with venus i think youre pretty strongly wrong

i am aware that u found that towny but then found me scummy again, my point is more pointing out that the only time u wavered on me being scum is when it didnt matter, when it does matter you're back to wanting my head now that im at least a little further back on the kill priority. its just me lazily scumreading off reads on me, you agreed i might be town but discarded that once i needed to be considered again

i thought chara improved when it had their turn being the possible elimination yesterday but i would have to look to see exactly wy. That combined with it suddenly feeling more like it was also someone who was more being forced into scum pool. Maybe the scumread reasoning is just generally weak this game, or maybe i dont see it cause i dont have as much context, or maybe im just bad

i guess, like, idk: requiring all 3 of you/chara/venus to be wrong requires me to be wrong on a gamestate read + me to be more wrong than i nearly ever am. this may sound cocky but i'm just about never that wrong, and i don't think this game is the exception to the rule.

i don't think all three of you are scum, but i woud be quite surprised to see that *none* of you are

for the second paragraph: you have a fair point r.e. timing, but, well, you seem to understand that you've been 'playing off' this game to some level, so why is it more likely that i'm scum who took a conveninet/oppurtunistic position on town!you as opposed to town who actually saw that you were town during the part of the game where we both agree that you were being townie? like why is this something that's more likely to come from scum-me than town-me is the bit i don't necessarily get. also if i'm scum why don't i just push you there, instead of defending u at that time

ig i don't really vibe super hard with ur chara townread tbh either, it's a bit fluffy

[skitter30]

heya ali

[skitter30]

i dont think ur a bad player at all, that's kind of making you scum though -- yer missin that Nancy really shouldnt be scum here, and i don't know how you're putting "off" together with "scum" with me. If we're gonna talk about what parts of the game make me towny, we should talk about how i dont have this conversation w u as scum, im definitely hiding in scum PT pretending the rest of the game doesnt exist or smth like that while occasionally popping in to make a long effort post

I think the only way you're town is if it's chara instead which granted given my level of investment isn't impossible but its not the way im thinking atm

if i'm scum i probably, tbh, have 'better' reads that don't require half the game to scumread me for finding nancy to be scummy. these aren't, like, political reads for scum-me to have rn (to steal an fl term)
i'm not sure i agree with the assessment that you're hiding out in the scum pt - the hectic showed me that you don't just freak out and hide as scum, you can present a pretty decent townie front

i agree that you being off doesn't necessarily make you scum, and i'm not really pushing you for it atm even, more so as just mentioned it. atm i'm p confident there's scum in you/venus/chara but i think you're the least likely

[skitter30]

nearly everyone, including fl, was townreading nancy yesterday (except for like me obvs)
the non-townreads on the slot are new, like from this afternoon

and the second paragraph helps me see where you're coming from, ty

i'm honestly feeling p comfortable saying you/chara aren't tvt and that chara is the s.
i don't know if i scumread / feel the need to push you beyond that

pedit @tweetie
*flops ears*

[skitter30]

fl took ydrasse off the table so while you might be right on her it's kinda functionally irrelvant for today

[skitter30]

lunar and unwnd are probably both town
idk if those are popular takes but i've been sayign those for forever

[skitter30]

in a way being inconsistent is a great method for showing im town, cause id never dare to do it as scum. Of course maybe if that ever became a solid strategy for me as town, then it wouldnt be so daring anymore, then id be comfortable with it as scum.. but as it is no this prolly wouldnt happen

Maybe ill get a better sense of why Chara seemed town yesterday and make better judgments

idk i feel like this convo is +town for u

[skitter30]

probalby town
was that unwnd?

pedit wasn't me lol
thought it was you

[skitter30]

this is a fun game lol
i couuld write like that but i haven't this game

it has like capitlization and everything

well i'm townreading catboi

[skitter30]

So I'm gonna take this time to say one thing that annoys me about this setup

I have to check with daddy boon for everything. I can't just say 'let's lim here' because boon will come out all haughty and then I back down and just go with something like Titus cause da boon said so and it's like

Really dependent on the town stump having a good lead, or being able to see who's just sheeping their leads

Unfortunately you just never know with boon, so that's been a game in itself lol

recognize you don't actually have agency and then shitpost
that is the way to enjoy this game

(hence why i'm not really efforting, it functionally at the end of the day doesn't matter)

[skitter30]

how much of a slog was it to kill Dann btw?
Like how many people voted it until it seemed stuck

was surprisingly easy tbh
he might have known he was going down
didn't put up too much of a fight

[skitter30]

i'm p sure the intervening posts had dann coming back after missing like 1000 posts and being scummy

[skitter30]

yep

i pm'd krazy after n1 and said: did scum just give up after today
because they didn't put up a fight much at all

[skitter30]

*after n1 started i meant to say

[skitter30]

Ydrasse - Weak town
Gamma Emerald - Not memorable, but FL says town
Venus Mars and Pluto (Nancy Drew 39, Auro, and Shiro) - Lean scum, no real presence of Nancy/Shiro. No cookies.
Morning Tweet - Can be town
Titus - Me
Xtoxm - No presence
Starcrossed (Pooky+Kanna Hydra) - Odd, weak scumlean but FL has a point of everyone SRing the slot
Hopkirk - Weak town
Lunar Martian - Needs more
chkflip - When will he arrive?
Dannflor - Weak town, stronger opening but fell off
Firebringer - Town
skitter30 - Town miller
unwnd - Town voting them upon request
RCEnigma - Weak scum
catboiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii - Weak scum
Chara - Null

I tried to give a read on everyone. I want to get myself moving. Nothing's really strong though.

Still on same page stuff but Titus this reads list freaks me out a tiny bit. Mostly because you've played with me multiple times before and what the hell where on earth did you get that I had a strong opening from?

I don't even remember any of my own posts this game which is not a great sign!! So I'm just curious what exactly gave you strong vibes from me especially since you know I can do the surface level town stuff to at least some extent as scum.

And given I have no memory of my own posts and I was phone posting the whole time I doubt I did much more than poke at surface level stuff that caught my eye at the time

Also another point, I don't understand why you're doing this readslist. You have everyone at weak-something or null and some of these, like my read or the read on Starcrossed (which just says "odd" with no elaboration?) seem a bit like you're just tossing stuff out there. Which is fine if you're trying to get yourself going but I'm also not seeing you use this as a springboard to go in any specific direction. Like you're not trying to dig into why I "fell off," or what is odd about Starcrossed and why everyone seems to scum read them. You're just kinda throwing out what I can assume are fairly luke-warm takes and leaving it at that.

maybe you'll get more productive but this empty spinning-wheels sorta thing isn't the type of content I expect from you even to "get yourself started"

i voted dann for this post and posts immediately around here, which i talked abt at length @ali

[skitter30]

i don't remember what prompted that exact vote but it has been scummy to me for a while now

[skitter30]

right but i would probably be putting more of an effort into fighting with u abt the things i disagree with if you weren't :)

[skitter30]

i give the image readslist a 10/10

[skitter30]

i claimed in my first post! i keep saying that lol
like half of the game is claimed, like half the game is either ascetic or miller varients

there's a 1s (?) song vendor which fire claimed to be but i'm not sure it's actually him .... i did get a song n1 tho

[skitter30]

the former isn't gonna happen lol
the latter might we shall see !

[skitter30]

i thoooooought we established trust :c

I am so far in your pocket I've essentially accepted a loss if you are scum.

[skitter30]

no they claimed osmething complicted that i dont' remember and we were giving him a pass on claim for abit or something
i dont' townread him tho

[skitter30]

oh right tha'ts what he claimed
yeah i should be able to get the message then if he sends it to me tonight

[skitter30]

Xtoxm is town because of the position on the Dann wagon, Ali?

@Skitter why did you think this is Xtoxm’s scum meta? He doesn’t sound anything here like he did in Boon uPick

TM 2020 normal

[skitter30]

I mean ... why am i wrong on xtoxm?

[skitter30]

Which of u is that?

[skitter30]

I mean ... why am i wrong on xtoxm?

How confident are you on this? Would you be surprised if he flipped town?

Less confident than my 'scum in chara/tweetie/venus' take but he'a like the next tier of potential scum, if that makes sense

He could be playing like this as town, i just think it's more likely to be scum

[skitter30]

I dont know what ur referring to, sorry

[skitter30]

I'm happy I brought some Dear Evan Hansen into that.

*waving through the window*

[skitter30]

i wouldn't either, but looks at chk's flip, it's different to mt/skits claim
they both said the same thing, though, i don't think they're both scum
main thing is, i can scan skitter. not saying im going to, just, its an option.

I want your thoughts on this post, skitter.

I dont really get it and i otherwise dont really have thoughts

[skitter30]

Happy cake day krazy!!!!!

[skitter30]

hopkirk why did you move down?

[skitter30]

k will do

[skitter30]

yep. revel in the shitposting :)

[skitter30]

Skitter for some reason I feel like that post comes from town, especially cause I feel a sense of minor spite

And not like a salty scum spite

oh there is no spite, i'm just enjoying the good vibes :)

[skitter30]

The smiley seemed a bit spiteful cause I thought you were on the same mental process as me right now

oh not spiteful at all, wasn't meant to be a spiteful smiley
i recognize what ur feeling r.e. lack of agency but i'm making a very, very conscious effort to just not care abt it and enjoy the vibes

[skitter30]

@me or @glory hydra (not sure which head that was, possibly gamma)

[skitter30]

ah ok

um not sure? i feel like i've mostly been sharing what i'm thinking, i just haven't been making super much effort to drive the game towards my preferred wagons if that makese sense

i guess my key reads are:
- scum in tweetie/chara/venus, but they are not all scum
- xtoxm is probably (?) scum
- you're probably town
- lunar is probably town
- fire has pockited me and is therefore getting a town pass
- same with starcrossed
- catboi is probably town
- i do'nt have a read on glory/ali, g2h town but not sure
- hopkirk is probably a mason so town

i think i'm missing someone

[skitter30]

don't think hectic picks him + he's made a few posts that i just don't think come from scum

[skitter30]

ig i see what u mean but i feel like his posts are like ~awkward~ but ~sincere and guileless~ in a way that i think is hard for newbscum to fake, if that makes sense

[skitter30]

that's flavor

[skitter30]

- fire has pockited me and is therefore getting a town pass

next game i want a hard scum read and tunnel though

deal

[skitter30]

i did not move or do anything last night!

[skitter30]

pooky do u remember that time we played catboi and he was town? i think he's playing the same way here

I don't believe we've played before? I played with Pooky in Chara's Folly and that was it. Well, there was also a marathon game where I was scum but it was a screwy 4 person Ircher setup so I don't think it really counts for anything.

was on a SeCrEt HyDrA
which now that i think abt it wasn't with pooky, it was the other SeCrEt HyDrA i played this year i think
with the other partner in this game too and they probably don't care if i burn it at this point lol

in the interest of transparency since this has been burned elsewhere this was a me + auro hydra in dunn's mini over the summer

[skitter30]

u just said u verified motion on me?

[skitter30]

ah ok
but what was the point of claiming md again ...

[skitter30]

But i already claimed all my (non)actions like multiple times tho, did u think i would change it off of that or

[skitter30]

Like i dont inherently have a problem with it, i just dont get, like, why

Doesnt particularly come from scum, it seems to me

[skitter30]

Do u have any reads from catching up?

[skitter30]

Ok i'm trying to see if there's something i could talk to u abt

Can i interest u in voting any of chara/xtoxm/venus?

[skitter30]

Yes this has been obvious for a long time

[skitter30]

i am in a bad mood mr leaf

:( i hope ur in a better mood soon mr bringer

[skitter30]

I know it's not super spicy but I want to be convinced on Skitter!town and also Chara!town.

Hmmmmm? I thought ur slot was convinced i am scum

[skitter30]

I know it's not super spicy but I want to be convinced on Skitter!town and also Chara!town.

Hmmmmm? I thought ur slot was convinced i am scum

Recalled how I tunnelled you super hard in that game a few months ago with all those roles and felt guilty, I think that your scumread of my slot alone is pretty scummy but if there's a strong case to be made for town!you I'd like to be convinced.

-P

I, uh, actually went looking for this game and i'm not sure what this is >.>

[skitter30]

i feel like everyones opinions of me are so vapid that i could probably iso anyone give any damn read i wanted on that person and any analysis and no one would question it even if its inconsistent with earlier positions ive taken.

Lol

[skitter30]

and ill take skitter reads into consideration if town.

Ok sounds good: look in xtoxm/venus/chara/tweetie and note that tweetie/chara are not tvt

[skitter30]

I, uh, actually went looking for this game and i'm not sure what this is >.>

I'm very glad it's out of your memory, I just recalled the name of the game: Blood on The Clocktower. Xtoxm modded, I tunnelled you and Nahdia

extremely

hard throughout the friggin game remember?

-P

Ah that one. I think mostly cuz it isnt a mafia game, didnt feel like a real game.

Either way i dont really mind u smumreading me here, but i'm kinda, like, not sure why u are even?

[skitter30]

- fire has pockited me and is therefore getting a town pass
- same with starcrossed

FB are we getting pockited here?

I don't remember skitter being this nice to me like ever.

She's usually trying to murder me.

:?

but it feels really nice though.

Oh i am being super super upfront abt the pockiting, no need to ask fire :)

(More seriously tho: i do townread you somewhat. Fire i'm like nulltown? on. If i actually scumread either of u i wouldnt be doing the pockiting thing)

[skitter30]

note that tweetie/chara are not tvt

Yo can you (re)-explain it to me sorry
Or is there some mechanical reason

-P

Chara's entrance way back when was for scumreading tweetie for bad reasons, and then it switched to townreading her for equally inscrutable reasons

That whole interaction (it starts ~700's in postcount) feels super super super unlikely to be tvt to me

[skitter30]

Nancy u need to learn to separate someone scumreading you with them being scummy

I'm not sure i really have much to say abt all the things you said at/to me

[skitter30]

Either way i dont really mind u smumreading me here, but i'm kinda, like, not sure why u are even?

Almost purely out of your read of my slot

-P

Can u explain why u think i should be townreadinf u here

[skitter30]

@krazy vc when u get a chance please?

I will be switching to chara upon seeing a vc

[skitter30]

Ok why do the other heads think my read is scummy?

[skitter30]

I meant i specifically want to know why *auro* thinks i shoupd be townreading *him* (+ his slot) here

Iirc he thinks i should be townreading him independently of you

[skitter30]

yeah, super against Chara wagon now especially since I literally said yesterday Skitter first, Chara gets messaged by Xtoxm.

tbf you've also changed your mind about the best way to play this abt twelve times this dayphase alone so it's a little hard to tell what's the 'final' plan so to speak

[skitter30]

Auro says you should be tr us because I’m obvtown.

ok but i don't, and i think his head is scummy as well, and i believe he took issue with me calling *him* scummy too

[skitter30]

yeah, super against Chara wagon now especially since I literally said yesterday Skitter first, Chara gets messaged by Xtoxm.

tbf you've also changed your mind about the best way to play this abt twelve times this dayphase alone so it's a little hard to tell what's the 'final' plan so to speak

So?

my point is that irregardless of which plan u actually push it's hard to tell which one is the one you're going all in on / which one you're actually serious about

pedit i would be quite shocked if there was more than one scum in that group, max

[skitter30]

i don't even think there's any

[skitter30]

that's my point

pedit nah i don't think i am

[skitter30]

tbf you've also changed your mind about the best way to play this abt twelve times this dayphase alone so it's a little hard to tell what's the 'final' plan so to speak

that's what makes it fun :3

oh i'm not disagreeing, i'm just pointing out to fl that it's kinda silly that he's annoyed that people arent' listening to his latest plan when they keep changing lol

[skitter30]

good morning

it is sunday and once again i’m tempted to get starbucks, y/n?

y and get a really yummy one, preferably with caramel

[skitter30]

i'm not surprised i'm saying you're that you're not being listened to when you shouldn't be

[skitter30]

If that kinda stuff doesn't stop me when I'm not conf town, what makes you think it will here?


Fade Skitter, Message Chara

sigh
it's not stopping you
i was making an observation about why people aren't listening to you as much as you think they should be

[skitter30]

Skitter, if you're town, I think the other 2 are scum for sure here.

where?

[skitter30]

it doesn't, i was making an offhand observation that you read too much into

[skitter30]

VOTE: chara

you promised to listen to my reads after my townflip, right?

[skitter30]

cuz of the message?

ok but you're kinda blocking off voting my biggest scumreads at this point

[skitter30]

Yup. I don't think you are right this game.

ok so long as u listen to me post townflip i don't mind that much

[skitter30]

@Xtoxm - we have to figure out how we're going to be able to confirm your message in the case you die

tell him to send like a specific number or song title or something and chara has to come up with it

of course if they're both scum this is irrelevant and ineffectual but eh

[skitter30]

These three posts in particular do not seem genuine to me.

that is unfortunate

[skitter30]

i don't know how to explain. it just doesn't look like tvt to me

[skitter30]

i do not like ur reads

[skitter30]

given those reads, that is not a good vote!

[skitter30]

If skitter is town the GML/MT votes are very telling lol

indeed lol

[skitter30]

VOTE: mt as fl isn't actively veto'ing this one

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@Xtoxm - we have to figure out how we're going to be able to confirm your message in the case you die

tell him to send like a specific number or song title or something and chara has to come up with it

of course if they're both scum this is irrelevant and ineffectual but eh

how do we do this without scum knowing?

no i mean: tell xtoxm to pick his favorite song title and send it to chara (or whoever). xtoxm doesn't share the title in thread

chara has to say the name of the title tomorrow

that would confirm it getting the actual message if it can come up with teh title taht xtoxm sent
(or that they're scum together, either or)

[skitter30]

Auro says you should be tr us because I’m obvtown.

ok but i don't, and i think his head is scummy as well, and i believe he took issue with me calling *him* scummy too

I specifically asked him and that’s what he told me.

i'm p sure he called me scum well before that

[skitter30]

Skitter, you messing with my reads so much because I'm semi tunneled is a point for town you, but it's a rough spot for me right now.

idk what can i do to help?
you are semi-tunneled, yes

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because xtoxm isn't going anywhere and he'll be able to verify it tomorrow?

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because xtoxm isn't going anywhere and he'll be able to verify it tomorrow?

nah...if xtoxm is town, he's dying tonight

i would be shocked if he died tonight

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i dont want to rely on mechanical confirmation, though, i just want it out there. A guilty id only see as a soft guilty, and could see it being fake

so why are we taking chara and xtoxm off the table again ....

pedit he doesn't get confirmed by the message going through .... ?
he never dies here, even if town

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because we're going to let them message them for extra stuff? We have Unwnd supersaint to deal with Xtoxm if he's scum.

?

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i'm not doubting that's what he said, but that doesn't really answer my question

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i bet it's fewer than that

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well fl is veto'ing the people i want to vote and i dont' have that vote (although i'm not super connfident in tweetie flipping scum)
but that's teh most viable wagon on any of the people i do want to vote so

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is skitter scum again yet?

we should count how many times he's flipflopped on me

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The discrediting frankly is just rather obnoxious.

ok i will stop
(although i disagree that i'm discrediting)

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Did u read my analysis on catboi

i did, very insightful

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fl r u ok?

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u just seem a bit upset today, i hope everythign is ok

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lunar u should full claim here

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are we claiming? sorry for disappearing.

Hi chara!!!!

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:)

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Ali dont kill the vibes >:(

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lunar is just town
this might not be a fully useful strategy given that's he's the stump, but i ignore probably like >50% of what fl says / dont' take it too seriously :)

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for the twelfth time: scum is in {venus, chara, tweetie, xtoxm}.
i would bet on at least one, probably two in those names
chara/tweetie are not tvt

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Want to vote in {xtoxm, tweetie, chara, venus}, they're not all town

I mean ... why am i wrong on xtoxm?

How confident are you on this? Would you be surprised if he flipped town?

Less confident than my 'scum in chara/tweetie/venus' take but he'a like the next tier of potential scum, if that makes sense

He could be playing like this as town, i just think it's more likely to be scum

ah ok

um not sure? i feel like i've mostly been sharing what i'm thinking, i just haven't been making super much effort to drive the game towards my preferred wagons if that makese sense

i guess my key reads are:
- scum in tweetie/chara/venus, but they are not all scum
- xtoxm is probably (?) scum
- you're probably town
- lunar is probably town
- fire has pockited me and is therefore getting a town pass
- same with starcrossed
- catboi is probably town
- i do'nt have a read on glory/ali, g2h town but not sure
- hopkirk is probably a mason so town

i think i'm missing someone

and ill take skitter reads into consideration if town.

Ok sounds good: look in xtoxm/venus/chara/tweetie and note that tweetie/chara are not tvt

not really annoyed but i've been saying the exact same thing this whole phase

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nearly everyone, including fl, was townreading nancy yesterday (except for like me obvs)
the non-townreads on the slot are new, like from this afternoon

and the second paragraph helps me see where you're coming from, ty

i'm honestly feeling p comfortable saying you/chara aren't tvt and that chara is the s.
i don't know if i scumread / feel the need to push you beyond that

pedit @tweetie
*flops ears*

i had a sorting thing with tweetie and this is where i wound up on her overall ^
you can raed this convo more to see what i was thinking abt her

xtoxm cuz this looks like his scum meta

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next post

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i mean yes he probably does (esp. if fl is serious abt xtoxm hammering unwnd tom) but i still think he's scum

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.... why haven't you used that yet?
ig that's kinda ilke the inverse of me

i don't think (?) youve been interacting with me properly for that ...

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why didn't you care abt the fact that i haven't moved down?
um

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i believe that it could be a role but i don't believe that she's been acting throughout the game like town with that role would

but u should have cared abt me not moving like yesterday (i.e. phase 2)

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or when chara cared at daystart abt me not moving down you didn't seem to?

pedit yeah i agree with that

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we are but ydrasse is claiming 'gated'

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again so why haven't you used it yet again?

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was there someone in particular you were trying to target or

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but again u didn't seem to care at any point whatsoever abt the fact that i hadn't moved down ...
like i've been at the second slot at the list and now i'm at the top, how are you going to check me?

pedit fl who was told by krazy apparently

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like u want to check me
you've had exactly 0 consternation abt the fact that it's impossible for you to accurately check me as far as i can remember

these don't match up

pedit

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Hopkirk
unwnd
Morning Tweet
Starcrossed (Pooky+Kanna Hydra)
Gamma Emerald
Flavor Leaf
Ydrasse
Chara
catboi
Xtoxm
Firebringer
Venus Mars and Pluto (Nancy Drew 39, Auro, and Shiro)
Hectic
Lunar Martian

he can only pull me down 2, no? how is that going to help anything ...

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A Very Boonie Hug: During the day, you can move one player in the player list to be adjacent to you. (I.e., if you are in position 3, and target someone in position 13, they will be moved to position 4.) Activate this by saying Come here, [name] and get a boonie hug! This ability can be used once.

ah ok i was wrong sorry
for some reason in my mind i thought he could pull someone down two slots only
but i am mistaken

ok i'm good now

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wait the 3vt thing was a bluff? i thought it was real (and also didn't care that it was)

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because like half of what fl is saying isn't actually true and it's easier for me to sort based on information that i know to be accurate, vs something he's claiming that may or may not be
(i.e. i half expected it to be fake, but missed that he actually said it was)

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i'm a miller

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i feel like chara and fire probably aren't the same alignment

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one of fire's things is to be a song vendor
your'e claiming poem vendor

two scum probably don't have those roles
and probably two town don't either; it makes sense for there to be one scum / one town of those

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i'm p sure that pooky's ability compulsively puts me in a pt tongiht tho

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unless i misunderstood it

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i don't know, it just doesn't
also that feels like the wrong reaction to that read

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VOTE: chara

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p much yeah
don't know how to explain it better

and i'm not findign new reasons to vote u so much as i got reminded again that i want to be voting you, if that makes sense

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p much yeah
don't know how to explain it better

and i'm not findign new reasons to vote u so much as i got reminded again that i want to be voting you, if that makes sense

it's not an intuitive thing that needs more explanation, it's you positing it strange that Krazy would include multiple town vendors, without giving evidence as to why.

I'm sorry, i dont fully understand what ur saying here
I dont really have a better explanation than: it just feels that way to me, which i'm aware isnt super helpful

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It's probably bad design to have 3 ascetics, so there is likely a fakeclaim in the ascetic claims. Yes, I am basing this off my role a bit

Ok unless u fullclaim this doesnt really mean much to me

And again ehy are people hiding things in massclaim ...

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If tweetie is scum i am right in my chara/tweetie thing

Honestly chara i'm super sorry but i dont know how to explain better
This (i.e. me saying tweetie/chara isnt tvt) isnt the sort of read i'm wrong on. I dont know how to explain it, i can just tell sometimes. Until i have an adequate way to be confident in ur alignment, i just cant drop it

I wish i knew how to explain it better, i'm sorry for frustrating you :/

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it's alright, i appreciate your reply to my silly frustraton post in any case.

:)

I'm really sorry for frustrating u, i'm not trying to <3

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I know I'm town
Hopkirk is mason
Titus flipped town
Skitter could maybe be the rogue scum there

But scum was

more than OK if not prepared

to kill Dannflor

Good line of thought

[skitter30]

Yoga is awesome

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Yoga is awesome

:o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o

!!!

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Actually thinking about it now Chara's role makes sense to be in the setup and its a really unique way to counter a bus driver not to mention there's a lot of things that are in teh setup to counter the bus driver like xtoxm

What bus driver

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Boon should move down two positions and do the hug of Boon thingy to Skitter

And if she's miller conditioned to slots below her it's kinda :?: That she moved UP to #1 slot overnight.

-P

Are people like not reading my posts? I keep getting asked th same things over and over and over again, and i keep saying the same things over and over and over again

I didnt move anywhere last night. Hopkirk moved down, i did not move up. This has been talked abt on at least 2 different occasions at length now, and i also claimed this repeatedly

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Auro are you gonna come help me out or whaaaaat

Apologies I'm a little sleepy still and it's been difficult to muster up interest in this game

-P

are you just an ascetic townie yes or no

Yeah we're ascetic townie, but apparently there are roles that can reverse ascetic? If mechanically clearing us is a priority
I truly believe Nancy has been "bleeding obvtown" this game though, @Skitz I don't expect you to townread any of my *individual* content btw

-P

Werent u scumreading me earlier for scumreading ur head?

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btw

@Unwnd, Skitter, FL, VMP

what do we think of this?

Flavor wants to kill you?
kitty, how are you reading Glory?

Might be scum? The way Alisae entered felt like it could be trying to cast aspersions on a bunch of people and try to take control of the game a little bit and I realized my reasons for townreading Gamma weren't all that great

I dont really agree but i dont really have any thoughts on catboi saying it either

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chara - the role seems fine in correlation to the setup but that's all I can really say but it is now coming to my attention that fire can send songs but also can do other things so maybe they should be lower actually

Oh so this isnt a totally offbase take

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{Hopkirk, RCE}
{xtoxm, Skitter, Starcrossed, Lunar, unwnd, Ydra}
{chara}
{Catboi, Fire, VMP, MT}

You should not have either Fire or us in that PoE but if Xtoxm is right about you being scum, it would obviously make sense.

Why is venus giving xtoxm's reads this much credence again

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like how reasonable is it for catboi to have that take

I dont know? Like i said i dont agree and dont particularly see where he got it from but i dont think ita inherently scummy of him to say it either

Not sure if that answers ur question but i dont know how elsw to answer it really

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Wait dann had a pt cop too ...
Doesnt that just clear fire

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chara - the role seems fine in correlation to the setup but that's all I can really say but it is now coming to my attention that fire can send songs but also can do other things so maybe they should be lower actually

Oh so this isnt a totally offbase take

I think chara and fire arent of the same alignment for this reason

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I think he’s town. I think I’ve made that pretty clear? If I’m wrong, I’ll apologize to you but I don’t think so.

I dont need an apology
I'm not even aaking why u think he'a town

I'm asking why ur sheeping him / caring abt his reads when he's active lurking and doesnt seem to have a particularly great handle on the game or anything

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you said they weren't TvT so I'm trying to clearify if you think SvS is a possibility

Sure

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you said they weren't TvT so I'm trying to clearify if you think SvS is a possibility

Sure

How can they be SvS?

Do u have a reason to think they cant?
I can kinda see it making sense

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chara - the role seems fine in correlation to the setup but that's all I can really say but it is now coming to my attention that fire can send songs but also can do other things so maybe they should be lower actually

Oh so this isnt a totally offbase take

I think chara and fire arent of the same alignment for this reason

What if unwnd is right about Tweetie? I still think she’s town but my tr on Fire is stronger.

I’m asking because you have said you don’t think Chara/Tweetie are the same alignment, correct?

I'm not sure what ur asking me here, sorry

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I only care about reads he performed NAs on because it obviously makes sense for him to have an opinion on those right? So I thought his NA cleared Ali hydra but he’s apparently sr them, so what am I not understanding about that?

Right, i forgot that he usee an action on ali (like i inew it waa on gamma but i for some reason didnt take the next step in my mind and extend that to ali too)

He didnt clear gamma, all we know is that gamma is claiming to have not have gotten it, and he's going to claim that as scum too

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actually let's just skip ahead here skitter
do we think the evidence exists within this game to figure out who their teammates are if they're scum

Who are we talking abt?

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one of fire's things is to be a song vendor
your'e claiming poem vendor

two scum probably don't have those roles
and probably two town don't either; it makes sense for there to be one scum / one town of those

Ii'm just gonna quote myself previously answering questions i was already asked, this is starting to get annoying

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He's loyal/disloyal, that's how the two modifiers work

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Right

Either xtoxm/starcrossed are scum together, or starcrossed is conftown

Gamma not claiming the message doesnt say anything abt his alignment cuz he doesnt claim it as scum knowing xtoxm is disloyal

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no i don't i just want you to explain it to me tbh

pedit: @5666 skitter for teams that have chara in them and for teams that don't have chara in them

They're early interaction (i.e. chara's entrance to the game, talking abt tweetie's entrance to the game) isnt tvt

That's basically the source of this read

I dont know who the s is (probably chara) and i dont really see anything precluding them just both being scum, and it would make some level of sense given how they're defending each other for them both to be

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Ii'm just gonna quote myself previously answering questions i was already asked, this is starting to get annoying

nancy drew does that to you

That wasnt towards nancy in particular, many, mnay, many people have been doing this

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Right

Either xtoxm/starcrossed are scum together, or starcrossed is conftown

Gamma not claiming the message doesnt say anything abt his alignment cuz he doesnt claim it as scum knowing xtoxm is disloyal

I agree with the 2nd but Starcrossed is town independent of Xtoxm but I think he’s also town.

This is purely abt mechanics, and not reads

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Want to vote in {xtoxm, tweetie, chara, venus}, they're not all town

I mean ... why am i wrong on xtoxm?

How confident are you on this? Would you be surprised if he flipped town?

Less confident than my 'scum in chara/tweetie/venus' take but he'a like the next tier of potential scum, if that makes sense

He could be playing like this as town, i just think it's more likely to be scum

ah ok

um not sure? i feel like i've mostly been sharing what i'm thinking, i just haven't been making super much effort to drive the game towards my preferred wagons if that makese sense

i guess my key reads are:
- scum in tweetie/chara/venus, but they are not all scum
- xtoxm is probably (?) scum
- you're probably town
- lunar is probably town
- fire has pockited me and is therefore getting a town pass
- same with starcrossed
- catboi is probably town
- i do'nt have a read on glory/ali, g2h town but not sure
- hopkirk is probably a mason so town

i think i'm missing someone

and ill take skitter reads into consideration if town.

Ok sounds good: look in xtoxm/venus/chara/tweetie and note that tweetie/chara are not tvt

not really annoyed but i've been saying the exact same thing this whole phase

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so who is scum with chara
like whats the team
chara, catboi, someone else?

Idk i gotta bounce now tho. I dont have a teamsolve, i just know who i scumread
Also venus was defending dann while he was getting run up

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shut up you fucking mongol honestly
i could build a wall and that would be so powerful it would stop you in ur tracks

Ali plz no

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this one?

Thanks! Did Skitter have any specific rebuttal to that?

@Glory/Mel: OK the townlock was a tad bit exaggerated and I have seen some :?: parts from your recent posts - for example, I don't get the defense of Skitter based on her role "making sense"? Especially when Skitter's been moving up where it's guaranteed miller no matter who checks her. I know you were positing the dissonance as a reason to

townread

us but I was offering an explanation anyway.

-P

I just told u that i didnt move up ...
Did you not read my post saying this right after you said this the last time?

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shut up you fucking mongol honestly
i could build a wall and that would be so powerful it would stop you in ur tracks

Ali plz no

that was to one of hectics alts what its shitposting

Oh sorry

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Boon should move down two positions and do the hug of Boon thingy to Skitter

And if she's miller conditioned to slots below her it's kinda :?: That she moved UP to #1 slot overnight.

-P

Are people like not reading my posts? I keep getting asked th same things over and over and over again, and i keep saying the same things over and over and over again

I didnt move anywhere last night. Hopkirk moved down, i did not move up. This has been talked abt on at least 2 different occasions at length now, and i also claimed this repeatedly

@auro
This is partially why i feel like i'm repeatedly saying the same things over and over again, you ignored this post

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Sorry for being grouchy abt it it's just annoying being asked the same thing over and over again that i keep on answering but people arent like seeing and then they ask the same thing again

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Bleh still sorry <3 i shouldnt be grouchy abt it

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I mean claim stuff is just icing on the cake. Tweetie has been a scumread for about 3 consecutive days. A tunnel maybe, but I wanna see this through and some part of me (mind you, biased) believes despite Tweetie becoming a topic she is never pushed to the same extent as someone like Titus/Xtoxm which makes me think scum are hesitant to bus again

i'ts kinda sad that you're a supersaint because ur fairly obvtown :/

pedit indeed

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This seems like a potential gambit based on them rolling near the top of the player list.

fl am i really the sort of scum player who lolclaims miller in her first post ?

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i mean true but u probably also don't get shitposting!me in a scumgame

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that is very possible!

pedit @fire

hi tweetie <3
*flops ears*

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:)

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Skitts is pretty BoPable if i wanna be mean, she has me and Venus and also Chara if it is town as all wrong scumreads im thinkin. Of course if I am wrong on Chara that is swapped around with it

Bop'ing someone on entirely unflipped slots is an interesting choice

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Ok but exactly none of those people have flipped ...

Pedit yes and that's what ur paragraph is basicallg abt lol