Mini 2228: Isekai uPick - Endgame

[Kate Bishop]

If Titus flips town my vote isn’t leaving probably

This adds to the pile of little pings.

Bad post like cmon please tell me this isn’t ffery

Please talk about how your read of LLD has evolved?

It hasn’t? That’s not the treatment I gave LLD. Like I say that exact line in so many games. I even did it in Yggdrasil when I told cabd I was giving him the RC treatment. Sure I may say it as scum but like even then it’s NAI because it’s just something I say how can you scumread me for saying that.

Ok, explain your progression on her?

[Kate Bishop]

Wheme, can you describe your play this game and what you think differentiates it from your scum game?

[Kate Bishop]

That’s Something_Smart, SSBM

AKA Azelf, AKA SS, AKA S_S

[Kate Bishop]

I replaced unwnd.

How's your grok of the gamestate coming along?

[Kate Bishop]

VC1.10

Player	Votes	Voters
Titus	3	Lady Lambdadelta, Cabd, ManateeGal
Whemestar	3	ssbm_Kyouko, Dunnstral, ManateeGal
Lady Lambdadelta	2	WhemeStar, Something_Smart
Lukewarm	1	Kate Bishop
ssbm_Kyouko	1	DrippingGoofball
Not Voting	---	Titus, marcistar, GuyInFreezer, Lukewarm

This is easily one of the best isekai airing this season. It was also hard picking the song to use from this one because they're all good.

With 13 alive it takes 7 to eliminate.
The day will end in (expired on 2021-09-15 16:00:00), or when an elimination is achieved.

We voted wheme followed by Luke. That’s the only major change im pretty sure.

[Kate Bishop]

How's your grok of the gamestate coming along?

Rereading the past few pages before my arrival was... a lot more illuminating than I was expecting, actually.

Want to discuss?

[Kate Bishop]

If Titus flips town my vote isn’t leaving probably

This adds to the pile of little pings.

Bad post like cmon please tell me this isn’t ffery

Please talk about how your read of LLD has evolved?

It hasn’t? That’s not the treatment I gave LLD. Like I say that exact line in so many games. I even did it in Yggdrasil when I told cabd I was giving him the RC treatment. Sure I may say it as scum but like even then it’s NAI because it’s just something I say how can you scumread me for saying that.

Ok, explain your progression on her?

Idk it reminds me a lot of the last game we played with her. Maybe she plays the same way regardless of allignment.

I'm really confused wheme, I can't seem to get you to talk about why you went from sheeping LLD to voting her. What are the magic words?

[Kate Bishop]

Wheme, can you describe your play this game and what you think differentiates it from your scum game?

I wouldn't be posting this much and would be lurking. I'd be playing like how SSBM is playing right now.

how do you define lurking and how does ssbm's play fit that?

[Kate Bishop]

What are the magic words?

Whats this?

What I meant was what words do I need to say to get you to address how your stance on LLD has changed from sheeping to voting.

And your last post kinda did that, I guess.

What was it about unwnd's case that resonated to you?

[Kate Bishop]

Wheme, can you describe your play this game and what you think differentiates it from your scum game?

I wouldn't be posting this much and would be lurking. I'd be playing like how SSBM is playing right now.

how do you define lurking and how does ssbm's play fit that?

I would play it like I wouldn't be active posting or like having a converastoni with people. Id more like pop in like once a day or less and like make a series of detailed posts trying to generate content.

Like when I play scum I try to actually fake reads and actually try to generate cases on people and on the other hand when im town its like oh im town I can just be me and not put up a front. IDK HARD 2 EXPLAIN

I don't feel like she's making detailed posts. She's mostly quote-reaction, or quote-reply. She's in the past right now, though she hasn't been in the past all game and has had a few runs of posting in the moment. That's what I'm seeing in her ISO.

[Kate Bishop]

Look at the VC, folks. She at the very least wasn't lying about the second vote doing SOMETHING extra.

[Kate Bishop]

Not_Mafia replaces Salsabil Faria

Traumatized momentarily

you leave my miltank alone >:(

[Kate Bishop]

Wheme, can you describe your play this game and what you think differentiates it from your scum game?

I wouldn't be posting this much and would be lurking. I'd be playing like how SSBM is playing right now.

how do you define lurking and how does ssbm's play fit that?

I would play it like I wouldn't be active posting or like having a converastoni with people. Id more like pop in like once a day or less and like make a series of detailed posts trying to generate content.

Like when I play scum I try to actually fake reads and actually try to generate cases on people and on the other hand when im town its like oh im town I can just be me and not put up a front. IDK HARD 2 EXPLAIN

I don't feel like she's making detailed posts. She's mostly quote-reaction, or quote-reply. She's in the past right now, though she hasn't been in the past all game and has had a few runs of posting in the moment. That's what I'm seeing in her ISO.

Im not calling her scum im saying thats how Id play the game as scum.

You're using her posts as an example of how you'd play scum, but the example doesn't look like it matches your description of your scumplay.

The only time I can recall playing with scum-you (and you weren't groupscum) was the Cephgame. Your play there doesn't match your description either from my perspective.

[Kate Bishop]

Hope school is going well Manatee!

[Kate Bishop]

The only time I can recall playing with scum-you (and you weren't groupscum) was the Cephgame. Your play there doesn't match your description either from my perspective.

I didnt play that game like how I would play scum though

We're madly meta-ing the background here.

And I'd actually disagree with you on how you played the cephgame. There are positive correlations between that game and your just completed newbie scum game.

[Kate Bishop]

we are busy atm ask us in a bit tia

[Kate Bishop]

LOL WHAT

Yeah, and what we're trying to figure out is how those features correlate with your towngames.

[Kate Bishop]

We're skimming them all right now!

[Kate Bishop]

My recent scumgame was like the very description of what I said I do as scum

"detailed posts"

Can you pick something from your iso in the newbie game that you feel fits that description?

Lurky, yeah, I see that.

[Kate Bishop]

Well you need to figure it out my dude.

You need to show us explicit examples of what you are talking about so we can understand your POV.

[Kate Bishop]

IDK ITS HARD TO EXPLAIN FFERY

I appreciate that you're trying!

[Kate Bishop]

UNVOTE:

bad giffy

[Kate Bishop]

[Kate Bishop]

My dude we are literally looking to create a baseline for your scum and a baseline for your town and figuring out which this game more closely resembles, so if youre town we can figure out what the fuck is going on

stop being obstinate

[Kate Bishop]

ssbm who is scum

[Kate Bishop]

Who else?

[Kate Bishop]

Well you need to figure it out my dude.

You need to show us explicit examples of what you are talking about so we can understand your POV.

Can you give me exmaples on how my play is similar to my scumgame here

I've felt that your play here was more similar to cephgame than yggdrasil, which is what has been worrying me.

After looking at a bunch more of your games, I think the cephgame is an outlier that doesn't look like your towngames or your scumgames in some ways, though your posts in that game are from a textual body language perspective close to your scumgames.

[Kate Bishop]

Whatcha having for lunch?

[Kate Bishop]

Hi I'm on lunch for like 15 minutes nothing deep but I'm here.

I asked earlier if your last readslist is still where your head is at.

And also, how you feel about DGB's characterization of your play here.

AND AND AND

There something in a morphspoiler for you.


pedit let me fucking post.

[Kate Bishop]

@Cabd

Do you think DGB's concerns about your play have some basis?

Spoiler: morphhood

In another gamestate I'd be extremely concerned about Katniss.

I think it is expecting more of a xenoblade and less of a bloodstained and this game is gonna be somewhere in the middle.

Spoiler: morphhood

That my lady has ghosted us is really fucking annoying but I have no choice but to follow.

Why would DGB expect a xenoblade? Has she played with on-fire-you? I mean, we didn't quite cross paths in cephgame.

[Kate Bishop]

We're going to provisionally call Wheme town.

Which leads to AAAUUUUUGGGGGHHHHH.

[Kate Bishop]

Titus I think could also be scum here. She's most likely flipping from the Manatee Hurt vote so I'm not as focused there. I stand by what I said right before manatee hurt her though, and that is that my vote would have been there after what she said about gravedigger/tracker. I think she scumslipped something from the PT there.

Where do you think she scumslipped?

[Kate Bishop]

We're going to provisionally call Wheme town.

Which leads to AAAUUUUUGGGGGHHHHH.

What flipped you on the slot?

meta, basically.

Superficially, there are some similarities to cephgame, but cephgame is a huge outlier to both alignments.

[Kate Bishop]

I think we should drop this for now!

[Kate Bishop]

My biggest thing about Cabd is that in the mutliball game I believe he said I am miselim material. And so now when he puts me in a lower spot in his readlist thats what i think about.

We were voting you before we did a meta speedrun, so I kinda do relate to his read. I suspect cephgame weighs on his read as much as it did ours.

[Kate Bishop]

Why compare a third party game too my scum game though?

You could win with either scum team. You were sort of a super-traitor.

I know you said you didn't realize what your wincon meant, but we're looking from the outside and can't take that statement completely at face value.

[Kate Bishop]

We're going to provisionally call Wheme town.

Which leads to AAAUUUUUGGGGGHHHHH.

What flipped you on the slot?

meta, basically.

Superficially, there are some similarities to cephgame, but cephgame is a huge outlier to both alignments.

How confident are you?

Not so confident that we'll never look back, but we both think this is town-wheme now.

[Kate Bishop]

Even when quickposting at lunch my ninja-fu is there.

P.S. you still owe me wrist.

yeah, my bad. :/

[Kate Bishop]

Have you commented on unwnd's last readslist, Cabd? Or could you?

[Kate Bishop]

GTH D1 Reads

{GiF, DGB, Kate}
{Dunn}
{Wheme, Cabd, Lukewarm, Titus}
{Manatee, Marci}
{Kyouko}

This one?

I think my opinions on players is fairly obvious, his bottom 3 are all above my touchie line...

If you include this post where he added LLD:

uhh LLD in the pairing of Marci.

All of the mech-ish clear-ishes are at the bottom.

[Kate Bishop]

We're going to provisionally call Wheme town.

Which leads to AAAUUUUUGGGGGHHHHH.

Spoiler:

It may be time to explore some hard reads on overlooked inner circle?

Yes, that's the scream part.

[Kate Bishop]

Dunn, GIF
SSBM, Manatee, LLD
Wheme, Cabd, Marci, Luke
---------------GAP-------------
DGB, S_S

[Kate Bishop]

We saw it too, SSBM

[Kate Bishop]

@Dunn- our reads are very much in flux atm. Where is your head at?

[Kate Bishop]

Why don’t you make a nice little tiered readslist for us wheme!

[Kate Bishop]

Hi around I’m dad

[Kate Bishop]

Alright. Let’s start simple.

Is Titus flipping town or scum?

[Kate Bishop]

Okay.

Let’s start with some gimmes.

What do you think of S-S/unwnd so far? Feel free to ramble.

[Kate Bishop]

We are never going to tell you not to research someone.

Do you think there’s a scum on the 5 person Titus wagon? If so, who?

[Kate Bishop]

Dunn, GIF
SSBM, Manatee, LLD
Wheme, Cabd, Marci, Luke
---------------GAP-------------
DGB, S_S

Wow. I can feel the rule breaker between my ribs.

I'd love for you to do stuff that makes us feel better about your alignment.

[Kate Bishop]

Titus how are we supposed to comment on a reasonless readslist? Even if it defies the norm there’s nothing backing up either stance.

[Kate Bishop]

Although actually given ovaltine that list makes no sense.

?

[Kate Bishop]

Dunn, GIF
SSBM, Manatee, LLD
Wheme, Cabd, Marci, Luke
---------------GAP-------------
DGB, S_S

Wow. I can feel the rule breaker between my ribs.

I'd love for you to do stuff that makes us feel better about your alignment.

I'd love to be doing stuff that made you feel better about my alignment, but here we are in the reality universe not bizzaro world.

I'm just waiting for the "big fancy words reads snap into place" moment to hit and to get on with our lives (however short they may be this game)

Yah.

I'm not rescinding your ticket today and I'm in waiting is mode and hope tomorrow things are more clear.

I'm a little surprised you found this surprising, given we've been scrutinizing our POE so hard.

Spoiler:

also Katniss :/

[Kate Bishop]

Dunn, GIF
SSBM, Manatee, LLD
Wheme, Cabd, Marci, Luke
---------------GAP-------------
DGB, S_S

Is town at the bottom?

We've enjoyed you so much in this game. The read makes me feel sad and mean in equal parts.

[Kate Bishop]

Although actually given ovaltine that list makes no sense.

?

Katniss should be at the top or the bottom, putting him null is... odd, given the ovaltine decoder ring handed to you.

That read is so intertwined that I can't think of it as a separate entity or a separate ticket.

[Kate Bishop]

Also, that's not a null line. Everyone above the gap, we think are more town than not in play.

[Kate Bishop]

GTH D1 Reads

{GiF, DGB, Kate}
{Dunn}
{Wheme, Cabd, Lukewarm, Titus}
{Manatee, Marci}
{Kyouko}

This one?

I think my opinions on players is fairly obvious, his bottom 3 are all above my touchie line...

If you include this post where he added LLD:

uhh LLD in the pairing of Marci.

All of the mech-ish clear-ishes are at the bottom.

Thoughts about this?

[Kate Bishop]

Unwnd has a natural fetish for hating mech semi-clears. You were in the same recently finished mini theme that I was....

I don't find it anything other than unwnd-alt-sniffing-indicative.

The scumteam in the finished game were pushing back on mech semi clears and he was ~right there~.

hate-fetish acknowledged, I guess.

[Kate Bishop]

Titus how are we supposed to comment on a reasonless readslist? Even if it defies the norm there’s nothing backing up either stance.

Titus, pretend I quoted the Kate read and said "spicy, but why gut" or soemthing.

@Kate, You can comment on how accurate/incorrect my reads are generally or do what Cabd did.

@Cabd, I feel like they're detached from the game.

We put ourselves in the time-out chair for about 24 hours, with a short re-engagement midway. And we announced what we were doing. That was for thread health and our own tempers to cool down.

If that's not what you mean by "detached", then I don't know what could give you this impression.

[Kate Bishop]

Placement in tiers is strongest left to right

{Marci, LLD}
{Kate, Dunn, Gif}
{Uwnd, Ssbm, Manatee}
~Line of touch-ability~
{DGB, Wheme, Luke}
{Toog}


I am something like this. Time to break out the sad trombone?

This still more or less where you are at?

Uhhhhh, mostlysortakindaish although placement within tiers probably shifted.

Toogus aside, if anything wheme down and unwnd down, luke and SSBM up...

Something like this?

{Marci, LLD, Kate}
{Ssbm, Dunn, Gif}
{Manatee, Luke}
~Line of touch-ability~
{DGB, S_S (unwnd)}
{Wheme}

I get that DGB has a valid dreaming god crumb but I'm not sure that's alignment indicative for it.

Aside from Wheme our lines are drawn in the same place.

What leads you to have unwnd in the touchable section?

[Kate Bishop]

Also, you have every loud member of the "lets kill Toog/Titus" crowd down as some version of town: LLD, me, dunn, cabd, manatee all town. Do you think that the big push on you was all town motivated?

This is a nice sync.

[Kate Bishop]

3) Honestly, it's a tone thing.

You’re going to have to show me this, my dude

[Kate Bishop]

It’s like Luke is determined to make Fferys case for her and make me look dumb

[Kate Bishop]

Placement in tiers is strongest left to right

{Marci, LLD}
{Kate, Dunn, Gif}
{Uwnd, Ssbm, Manatee}
~Line of touch-ability~
{DGB, Wheme, Luke}
{Toog}


I am something like this. Time to break out the sad trombone?

This still more or less where you are at?

Uhhhhh, mostlysortakindaish although placement within tiers probably shifted.

Toogus aside, if anything wheme down and unwnd down, luke and SSBM up...

Something like this?

{Marci, LLD, Kate}
{Ssbm, Dunn, Gif}
{Manatee, Luke}
~Line of touch-ability~
{DGB, S_S (unwnd)}
{Wheme}

I get that DGB has a valid dreaming god crumb but I'm not sure that's alignment indicative for it.

Aside from Wheme our lines are drawn in the same place.

What leads you to have unwnd in the touchable section?

You know I had anticipated you'd ask this and had a kickass metaphor to deploy at my ready and then kiddo decided I'm a jingle gym and it went out to the corner store for milk to never return.

So, non-metaphorically?

[Kate Bishop]

I think that getting into a fight with somebody due to potentially non game related reasons fits perfectly well into hot headed unwnd scum potential given the past.

I think dismissing the interaction is impossible to come from scum is extremely lazy.

I don't have a major reason to town read the slot and the town ship is out of life vests.

Same reason why cephtd and Annie ended up in my scum list last time. Or flea in yggdra. I could go on.

On a somewhat related note, I reread 2181 when unwnd replaced in last night, and his starting-line push kinda had a similar feel to it from the perspective of months later and histories better understood.

[Kate Bishop]

I wanted you lower in the list. Ffery wanted you where you ended up.

[Kate Bishop]

I would like the record to reflect (at least for me) it’s a matter of everyone else being a stronger townread, DGB. But I’m still reevaluating and not writing you off.

[Kate Bishop]

Why compare a third party game too my scum game though?

You could win with either scum team. You were sort of a super-traitor.

I know you said you didn't realize what your wincon meant, but we're looking from the outside and can't take that statement completely at face value.

Sorry for late reply but I figured I needed to reply to this

Do you think I played that game any way near you would have played that role? I was playing for survival which meant I had to play as a town member.

No, I don't think you played the role the way we would have.

self-awareness can be a curse in mafia. I think you played to your self-concept of your town game. From an outside perspective it looks like an amalgam of scum and town features from your prior games, only amped way up.

[Kate Bishop]

I mean, it’s seemed to help us.

Although that’s subjective I guess ol

[Kate Bishop]

Yggdrasil- early scum elim then scum turn tables from bad townplay (read: Mara fake guilty on Titus) and then mod error confirmed morph town who likely would have been a miselim. Proceed to steamroll scum.

Ceph game- wasn’t there

Bloodstained- mini theme I just won as scum. Had a mechanic that circumvented nightkills but town had near nothing in terms of counterplay to it

[Kate Bishop]

Yes tenet Cabd decided to steamroll the entire town on a perfect scum win in a town sided setup besides the extremely powerful scum vanilla cop

[Kate Bishop]

Luke as well as most of this game had my back against the wall at some point in bloodstained!

[Kate Bishop]

Ah yes, in that game towb went up four correct votes in a row, 3 scum out of the gate and then peta pan almost clawed it back

And nothing else serious of consequence happened in that all alt game

[Kate Bishop]

Maybe if we all think hard enough marci will appear in the game.

[Kate Bishop]

marcistar

marcistar

marcistar

[Kate Bishop]

Cabd if you had a non-Titus vote down where would it be

[Kate Bishop]

Currently pup time. Should be back shortly.

[Kate Bishop]

I have rendered unto Pippin what is Pippin's.

And I think I missed what you're talking about.

Should I go look or are you going to lay it out anyway?

[Kate Bishop]

whoa, that's ceph level gunclaiming if true.

[Kate Bishop]

I remember those posts and thought nothing of them.

[Kate Bishop]

you want S_S to confirm/not?

[Kate Bishop]

jjh hasn't shared who his reviewer(s) are.

we've been kinda assuming mastina might be in that mix. Which has put a brake on speculating how this pile of hints, crumbs and claims could be balanced.

[Kate Bishop]

I'd like to think that there are so many potential deaths/yeets because death is really not final.
But I may be putting too much hope.

How many becomes too many, though?

[Kate Bishop]

I'd like to think that there are so many potential deaths/yeets because death is really not final.
But I may be putting too much hope.

How many becomes too many, though?

I think as of now is plenty enough.

I have bad news for you.

We have an extremely gated vig shot that can't possibly fire before midgame at the earliest. Assuming we'd ever want to use it in the first place. We've been side-eyeing manatee's kill ability for fucking days.

[Kate Bishop]

Jesus fuck.

The fun aspects of our role that we're actually excited about, none of the claims so far are synchronous with with. But I live in hope.

I think I posted something earlier about the asynchronicity of the claims.

[Kate Bishop]

Cabd? You ok?

[Kate Bishop]

That’s not a great post my dude

[Kate Bishop]

Cabd? You ok?

I am. Dimitri's odds of surviving this map are not.

Not sure what this means.

[Kate Bishop]

Also, @kate lol

Oh that’s what we’re going to do today? We’re going to massclaim?

inorite? :/

[Kate Bishop]

Who's Katniss? I thought that nickname was for Firebringer.

Cabd has been talking in code to ffery. Katniss is part of the code. Although I think I know who it means. Right be wrong tho.

notsci has named it morphoglyphics. so it is written.

[Kate Bishop]

I feel like it feels totally weird like you’re looking to shoot down just one thing but keep options open

[Kate Bishop]

Yeah and autocorrect changed tonally.

[Kate Bishop]

Ours is not available until mid/late as we have already said.

[Kate Bishop]

Phone posting is terrible

I am not fixing it.

(wait until he finds out 90% of my posting comes from a phone)

[Kate Bishop]

Dunn?

GiF?

Cabd?

[Kate Bishop]

pretty sure I know your feelings about claim or not.

[Kate Bishop]

My vote is binary claim of killer or no. And then further claims only under hammer intent.

Same, but I want to register concern that s_s's posts have been kinda dodgy feeling.

[Kate Bishop]

GIF's thing isn't permanent, right?

Unknown if it is or not.

[Kate Bishop]

Why does everyone else get to claim their roles, but not me x.x

Mine is wild, and I am jealous that I don't have an excuse to claim

<3

[Kate Bishop]

Y’all are never gonna guess ours :3

[Kate Bishop]

I had to google both of those

[Kate Bishop]

Goodnight

?

[Kate Bishop]

I would like the record to reflect (at least for me) it’s a matter of everyone else being a stronger townread, DGB. But I’m still reevaluating and not writing you off.

How is everyone else a stronger townread than DGB when there are likely three scum?

Everyone above DGB in the list IS a stronger townread to me.

I have 2 POEs if you actually look at my reads list, and I'm not convinced that you're flipping town, although I have some doubts about you being scum. There were a couple of posts you made right after Manatee's 2nd vote that gave me pause, but I dislike most of what you've posted today.

Is there scum in my townpile? Quite possibly. Hopefully things become clearer after Day 1.

[Kate Bishop]

I think what they wanted you to confirm is whether you have an ability similar to a vig, regardless of the details.

I'm aware that this is what they wanted, but I don't see why.

are you going to claim a binary yes/no based on our feedback?

[Kate Bishop]

Do you have thoughts on SSBM's idea of letting a random townie die via manatee's ability tomorrow if voted out/dead players don't flip?

[Kate Bishop]

are you going to claim a binary yes/no based on our feedback?

Uh, maybe? Can you remind me how that will help town?

It might help us figure your slot out without running you up.

[Kate Bishop]

@GiF

Do you have updated reads?

[Kate Bishop]

@Mod

Could you prod marcistar?

Thanks!

[Kate Bishop]

It might help us figure your slot out without running you up.

Do you intend to run me up if I don't comply?

Maybe.

[Kate Bishop]

I think SS town

How so?

[Kate Bishop]

Thanks!

[Kate Bishop]

awww I <3 you too giffy

[Kate Bishop]

I'm absolutely being dodgy, by the way. I'm trying to dodge revealing something that I don't think it benefits town to reveal.

But it's not a hill I will literally die on, so if people insist, I won't continue to hold up the game arguing. (And that, ssbm, is in stark contrast with what I just did as scum.)

he could habe easily just stalled and waited to see what his teammates said to do in the situation.

If I were to do that I would have just lurked or diverted the conversation, not openly argued against claiming.

[Kate Bishop]

I'm absolutely being dodgy, by the way. I'm trying to dodge revealing something that I don't think it benefits town to reveal.

But it's not a hill I will literally die on, so if people insist, I won't continue to hold up the game arguing. (And that, ssbm, is in stark contrast with what I just did as scum.)

he could habe easily just stalled and waited to see what his teammates said to do in the situation.

If I were to do that I would have just lurked or diverted the conversation, not openly argued against claiming.

Dodgy
Baity

Adding Contradictory to the adjective collection.

[Kate Bishop]

VOTE: Something_Smart

Strike first.

Strike hard.

No mercy.

[Kate Bishop]

Wheme you are the competing wagon please vote SS.

[Kate Bishop]

I'm absolutely being dodgy, by the way. I'm trying to dodge revealing something that I don't think it benefits town to reveal.

But it's not a hill I will literally die on, so if people insist,

I won't continue to hold up the game arguing. (And that, ssbm, is in stark contrast with what I just did as scum.)

he could habe easily just stalled and waited to see what his teammates said to do in the situation.

If I were to do that I would have just lurked or diverted the conversation, not openly argued against claiming.

Dodgy
Baity

Adding Contradictory to the adjective collection.

[Kate Bishop]

Context for the first quote:

What am I being asked to confirm? Whether or not I am a dayvig that can shoot today?

Why's it weird? I put a pretty high value on townies not giving away any more information than they absolutely have to.

I think I've seen this sentiment from you in 2-3 of the last 3 games we played together and you were scum in all 3 of them >_>

[Kate Bishop]

Yeah, that’s not what that is, and we’re nipping that in the bud now.

[Kate Bishop]

Yeah, that’s not what that is, and we’re nipping that in the bud now.

Whether or not you intended it as bullying, it comes across that way.

Are you asking me for a...case?

[Kate Bishop]

Code red is better anyways

[Kate Bishop]

I’m ready to get this show on the road. Unless Katniss shows days probably running on fumes

[Kate Bishop]

Code red is better anyways

VOTE: Notsci head of kate bishop only

I had to get a sparkling lime crystal geyser at the very idea.

[Kate Bishop]

Can you actually state your thesis and evidence instead of expecting people to figure it out?

I grabbed the wrong quote.

I was replying to this one.

[Kate Bishop]

Are you asking me for a...case?

No? I'm asking you to not implicitly threaten Wheme.

And I will repeat notsci's comment. There was no overt or implied threat in that post.

[Kate Bishop]

Yeah, Kate Bishop is scum.

heh.

[Kate Bishop]

I doubt the whole scum team got riled up and waded in. But the sudden pushback is kinda interesting.

[Kate Bishop]

I doubt the whole scum team got riled up and waded in. But the sudden pushback is kinda interesting.

Or GIF is an evil scum mastermind and the game is going exactly how he wants.

You probably don't want to douse the paranoia torches in kerosene. :/

[Kate Bishop]

Tell that to the paranoid head

[Kate Bishop]

And yet it still pales in comparison to code red.

[Kate Bishop]

And it’s that instead of good practice for literally anyone at E-1? Survivalism is NAI in the first place, but in theory the only person you know to be town is yourself. So naturally, ANY elim is preferable to your own.

We were the ones who stunted his wagon in the first place by unvoting, and have been trying to interact with him and help him get his footing. Why would I turn around and threaten him?

[Kate Bishop]

E-2, rather. Mixed up the number of votes.

Point still stands, I think you’re intentionally trying to paint us in a bad light to discredit.

[Kate Bishop]

S_S, what's your usual approach to replacing into a 100+ page game? How are you approaching this game?

[Kate Bishop]

At the same time:

I'm not convinced that Wheme is town, either

Dunn I’m sad you can’t read me like a open book

You keep saying this but I'm not sure there's anything that points to you as town here

Kate disagrees apparently

How did you read wheme in yggdrasil?

[Kate Bishop]

I doubt the whole scum team got riled up and waded in. But the sudden pushback is kinda interesting.

DGB is the red herring?

I'm going to drop the semi-code lingo here for everyone's benefit

I think we are in a potential scenario where S_S and Titus are both scum together. S_S came into the game and said Titus was flipping town, Titus discredited Kate as soon as Kate started pushing S_S. Tomorrow if Titus flipped scum S_S could plan to say something along the lines of "why would I call Titus town" or something similar.

In this scenario, DGB is a townie who just happens to have also jumped at Kate

Yeah, of the three, I'm least concerned about DGB. I feel like if I'm wrong on a townread, DGB goes up a level or two immediately. I feel bad about the read. It's like the read hasn't changed, but lower reads have moved up around DGB.

[Kate Bishop]

I don’t think the Toog/DGB posting about spite makes sense as scum/scum.

[Kate Bishop]

At the same time:

I'm not convinced that Wheme is town, either

Dunn I’m sad you can’t read me like a open book

You keep saying this but I'm not sure there's anything that points to you as town here

Kate disagrees apparently

How did you read wheme in yggdrasil?

I went back to that game and opened my iso

The first time "Wheme" appears in my iso is post 3145, and the first time I actually talk about him is 3309

And I believe wheme had claimed a role as well

I feel like his posting here is more similar to yggdrasil than to cephgame. And very much not like his recent newbie scum game. There's a dramatic difference in engagement level between his scum and town games.

cephgame, he exceeded his baseline town level of engagement, which makes the read a little bit dicey, but I'm getting similar earnestness vibes to yggdrasil which were missing in cephgame.

That's sort of the thumbnail of our meta dive results.

[Kate Bishop]

He is saying that of those pushing back at us, you are the most likely to be town.

[Kate Bishop]

How do you form reads?

[Kate Bishop]

How do you form reads?

Uh, by reading posts and comparing them to my experience and logic to decide how much sense they make as town/scum?

Though if I'm being honest it's mostly logic. Experience tends to lead me wrong more than it leads me right.

Do you read back? Or do you base your reads on data that hits the thread after join? a mix?

[Kate Bishop]

S_S, can you do the binary kill/no kill thing

I can't kill.

This pisses me off.

[Kate Bishop]

I generally will only read back when I'm looking to refresh myself on how something went down.

I know you take a long time to size up reads when you are in a game from the start sometimes. A la smokefilled antechamber.

I'm baffled how this would work replacing into a thread where a lot has happened.

[Kate Bishop]

This pisses me off.

I mean, I'm not thrilled about it either, but a wagon's a wagon.

What pisses off is that your slot heavily crumbed vig and you didn't clear that up when we asked you to.

The reason we outed our vig shot was because it looked like there were too many different non-elim kills in the game to make sense.

[Kate Bishop]

The reason we outed our vig shot was because it looked like there were too many different non-elim kills in the game to make sense.

I'm sorry. You could have just said it was for a role-related reason and I probably would have done it.

You didn't really give me any reason at all...

Just multiple people quoting unwnd and asking you to clear it up.

done's done, though.

[Kate Bishop]

Cabd?

What are your thoughts?

[Kate Bishop]

I'm:

1: Distraught my tool didn't useful
and
2: Really think we're letting wheme off the hook
but
3: Absolutely don't mind voting there.

talk to us about where?

do you think ss has made enough posts in this game for your tool to work?

[Kate Bishop]

And just think giffy, it's only day 1!

[Kate Bishop]

Ah, hello new Katniss.

Wrt morphoglyphics I catch more than the average person (although I’m growing to realize I don’t catch nearly as much as I thought I do) but nowhere near as much as the hydra in question.

[Kate Bishop]

(Yes I’m still salty cabd sussed me over literal jack-shit)

He was scum that game

Gammas talking about Tarot where Skittermena buddy slipped

[Kate Bishop]

In their defense is never have guessed that Cabd had been A) loverized or B) the lover had the ability to make a hood post flip

[Kate Bishop]

Can’t speak for good cop but I did quick skims of every post-hiatus game of his

[Kate Bishop]

His being wheme

He only had like two or three scum games lol

[Kate Bishop]

I don't claim to be good at second hand meta.

Ffery, did you look at that game?

It was part of the quantitative data about his scum/town posting, but not one I read closely for textual body language stuff.

I'll have a look at it later today.

[Kate Bishop]

I'm:

1: Distraught my tool didn't useful
and
2: Really think we're letting wheme off the hook
but
3: Absolutely don't mind voting there.

When you're around I want pick back up here and continue.

[Kate Bishop]

“YTYD”

?

[Kate Bishop]

heh.

I have my own deep well of Tenet paranoia to deal with, so carry on.

[Kate Bishop]

Cabd's scum team destroyed town in a perfect scum win.

In an overall very townsided game design. If they didn't win the exact day they did win, all dead townies would have come back as irate, vengeful treestumps.

[Kate Bishop]

not all dead townies at once, but a daily trickle.

[Kate Bishop]

I mean I also pushed Cabd day 3 on I just had no more thread control

But I already got my revenge for tenet so we chilling

[Kate Bishop]

LLD was also scum in that game and a huge factor in the win. I think this hydra and those two (and now Gamma) are the Tenet alumni playing this game.

[Kate Bishop]

It's a strange plot twist that Katniss shores up my faltering Cabd read.

[Kate Bishop]

I'm starting to feel a little out of step on some things about the game, but that isn't one of them.

[Kate Bishop]

If I am understanding, you were saying that Gamma has improved your read on the Marci slot.

What coming from gamma is having you town read him?

The entanglements abide.

Although we're both a little puzzled by some of his catch-up posts, I like the energy he's putting into it a lot.

[Kate Bishop]

Not sure if you understood me. When I said reservations about both katnisses, I meant Marci and also gammas catch up

No, I did understand.

[Kate Bishop]

Then I guess I didnt get this post

I'm starting to feel a little out of step on some things about the game, but that isn't one of them.

Given this thought

Although we're both a little puzzled by some of his catch-up posts, I

like the energy he's putting into it a lot.

Maybe I was just taking 3158 stronger then it was intended

It's kinda 2 separate thoughts.

We're feel out of step with some of our townreads on wheme, but we feel good about the meta research we did. This is something I wish Cabd would have a look. Although he looks at different things than I tend to focus on (which probably has to do with my reading speed not being superhuman), I'd weigh his meta thoughts pretty heavily in this world where he's a townread.

Also maybe out of step on DGB.

We may be out of step on Gamma's slot, but I'm ok with that and his catch-up hasn't shaken anything.

[Kate Bishop]

Bulge also said you seemed different than normal fwiw

[Kate Bishop]

and as scum knew you were town snd would be able to tell if you weren’t playing like normal, lmao

It wasn’t really my point, more so backing up that you were doing SOMETHING different there

[Kate Bishop]

mostly I want to understand you Wheme read, and also your thoughts on SS. You kinda whooped from the sideline on that, but I don't get the sense that you necessarily agree.

I have some questions about your app, but they can wait for now.

[Kate Bishop]

Questions about app are fine, but it's on my home PC and I'm not on home, so no asking for your horroscope.

My questions are more about the amount of training data needed to be predictive, and also if SS had posted enough for the results to be significant.

It sounds like your unwnd read is strong enough that you didn't consider running the same process on his posts.

[Kate Bishop]

Tool takes literally HOURS to load the data without overtaxing the hampster that runs the site and ruining everyone's night.

I only had time for one person last evening.


I'm using posts from three games of each alignment of the same player list size, and then i have a filter that allows it to ignore posts that contain quotes.

3 games per alignment sounds good. I'm just not sure about the predictiveness of so few posts in this game.

[Kate Bishop]

your S_S read is intriguing.

These reads are as of a certain page in the game? If so, what page do they tie to?

[Kate Bishop]

Dgb is town and don’t ask me who the third scum is

[Kate Bishop]

Gamma where are you at now?

[Kate Bishop]

I still wonder if this thread had enough SS posts for meaningful pattern-matching.

[Kate Bishop]

I still wonder if this thread had enough SS posts for meaningful pattern-matching.

Oh well.

I was gonna apply it to unwind as well actually but I think this experiment is dead for now.

So what does your map of your south of null look like? Where are the gaps?

We've moved you/Gamma up. Maybe the entanglements have loosened a little.

We've moved DGB up.

We still think S_S is scum, and we've thrown our hands up in the air regarding 3rd scum (or 2nd/3rd if we're wrong about Titus or S_S).

If we get 2 green flips today It'll be time for a hard reset.

Or: See notsci's gif.

[Kate Bishop]

That was abrupt. :/

[Kate Bishop]

GiF do you have any last thoughts?

[Kate Bishop]

My vote is where my heart is. Still, too many quickhammers lately for my nerves.

GiF do you have any last thoughts?

If I were you I would really revisit your wheme read. Especially if both flips are green. I think you self-hypnotized to townread him while he gobbled up your rescue rope.

We'll keep it in mind.

[Kate Bishop]

My vote is where my heart is. Still, too many quickhammers lately for my nerves.

It's not really quickhammer when Day 1 should've ended 70 pages ago.

fair.

[Kate Bishop]

Twilight may be lengthy given what time it is in the UK.

Get your thoughts in while they're hot.

[Kate Bishop]

Hypothesize the two flips we're hopefully going to get?

[Kate Bishop]

VOTE: cabd

Oh hi scumfuck

[Kate Bishop]

Oh btw the quick and dirty Notsci-part-of-Kate read is, fucker knew he was about to win in bloodstained but didn't feel nervous here, like he'd be afraid of me nailing him while actually having any sort of thread control this time. And like the Gefjun Disturber in Code Geass... I highly suspect Annie wouldn't have had the time to devise countermeasures on the fly.

[Kate Bishop]

UNVOTE:

But it’s on Cabd.

[Kate Bishop]

Yeah, please do tell why you voted through an elimination with no discussion.

I’d love to hear it!

[Kate Bishop]

Yep, that is what I thought 72 hours ago!

Flips at the end of the night changed things. Flabbergasted they didn’t for you.

[Kate Bishop]

huge, huge huge TENET vibes.

[Kate Bishop]

Wrong head.

[Kate Bishop]

huge, huge huge TENET vibes.

Bullshit.

You really are salivating over getting to do it twice aren't you?

You should know that was a ffery post.

And not bullshit at all.

[Kate Bishop]

2181 and now.
Blood and now.

I was hoping I was wrong. :/

[Kate Bishop]

Like you did in tenet, right?

[Kate Bishop]

Oh, that’s right, you waited until she readflipped

[Kate Bishop]

This is the only path you could take though, a song and a dance about how evil I am because ooooh tenet boogyman.

I'd have just shot you in the face and been over with it and you KNOW it.

No I don't. You always save my kill for late in the game.

I hate this.

[Kate Bishop]

This is the only path you could take though, a song and a dance about how evil I am because ooooh tenet boogyman.

I'd have just shot you in the face and been over with it and you KNOW it.

No I don't. You always save my kill for late in the game.

I hate this.

This is ENTIRELY incorrect and you know it's incorrect, I call bullshit.

You know full well that as scum I kill you the night BEFORE you start waking up, and I'm supposed to believe that YOU believe I don't think you'd re-evaluate and hone in on me with laser focus in 8P MYLIM? Fuck no, you planned this out. And this is gonna end up like that one game where I played with penguin where I knew she was scum but they limmed me instead, isn't it?

I don't think it's incorrect at all. You missed the mark in NY 164, and I might never have woken up in MOL. And in TENET you knew we were awake then night you killed us.

I think you overestimate frequently, but it winds up not mattering.

[Kate Bishop]

Whereas scum-me kills you to AVOID 1v1s. There is no way scum-us would have killed anyone (besides maybe LLD) over town-you in this game.

[Kate Bishop]

It is utterly laughable that Kate is trying to frame up Cabd on trumped-up charges of playing to the TENET scumgame when based on what I read through the night it would 100% be Kate who is pulling those strings in this game. Cabd had already towntold for me enough to exit the box of BoP, Kate however had not, and despite having allegedly read Radio Buzz Kate pushed S_S because of BS about how he wasn't claiming like he should. The vibe I got off of S_S was NOTHING like how he felt in Radio Buzz. In that game, he felt like a fly trapped in a spider's web, there was still some signs of life but he was basically pinned down from the start. Here he felt much more invigorated, like he actually had purpose.

So that whole katniss thing was a hilarious shell game.

[Kate Bishop]

I don't understand the Manatee kill at all

Once Titus flipped at the end of the night what happened was pretty clear :/

it took me a second but yeah I also pretty much realized manatee had to have misread her role PM

[Kate Bishop]

Then why’d you vote, gamma?

Ninja-
Sync

[Kate Bishop]

It should be extremely obvious now that I'm Jibril, and I know that all humans from my franchise (read: Sora and Shiro) in the game are town.

I only hinted it six hundred different ways and it's why i got confirmation from marci that she was Shiro.

I bought all on day 1

Hook, line and sinker.

[Kate Bishop]

I feel like the majority of us knew what was going on wrt marci, so this should t really be news to anyone.