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Posted: **Wed Jun 26, 2013 2:57 pm**

I'll be back later with a list of reads so you guys know who to kill after mislynching me.

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Posted: **Wed Jun 26, 2013 4:37 pm**

In post 4224, Nero Cain wrote:What the absolute fuck is this scumcho? There was a reason that that scumRyu defended the fuck out of OS before he flipped town. And I'm accusing him of the same thing. You are playing way dense this game.

Yes, because he was white knighting. That doesn't mean everyone who defends someone else is white knighting.

In post 4224, Nero Cain wrote:A basic understanding of large game site meta. Stop being dumb.

You could talk about this a little more because we've all played in large normals before and they sure as hell aren't always multiball.

In post 4224, Nero Cain wrote:and why do you think that town Angel would care about my fake vig?

I don't know why. But I do think that she wouldn't be bold enough as scum to ask you about your fake vig if she thought you were a power role because she would be afraid you would turn it against her.

In post 4224, Nero Cain wrote:context is important here. ⅔ blue scum are dead. This means there’s only one blue scum left. Unless you are claiming to be the last blue scum (and therefore hunting redscum) then he does have a much higher chance of being town.

What makes me redscum?

In post 4224, Nero Cain wrote:So? I can have a scum read on more than one person. You are doing it so why are you being a hypocrite. This is also a lie ‘cause I started out both day 2 and 3 voting for Rena.

Then why do you still suspect Bacde? He's town if Haylen is voting him, right?

In post 4224, Nero Cain wrote:That’s ‘cause I wasn’t “getting” paranoid about you two.

Then what were you trying to say in that quote?

In post 4224, Nero Cain wrote:Yea ‘cause Bacade’s “Nacho is a good scumhunter so Nero has to be scum” made so much sense. I know that I’m town so any lynch/vig shot on me would be a waste. But I guess you’ll be ok with getting lynched/vigged when I flip town right?

Bacde was saying that he could be lynched if I flipped town, but you didn't find issue in that. You only freaked out when he suggested you be shot on my townflip.

In post 4224, Nero Cain wrote:That was NOT was was said. I was obviously being sarcastic.

I realize that, yeah.

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Posted: **Wed Jun 26, 2013 4:42 pm**

In post 4124, Amethyst Kitty wrote: if you really need me to, I can go post by post and pick out what it is exactly what I'm using as a base for my town read on him, but I'd prefer not to >.>

That might help, because I'm really not seeing Nero-town.

In post 4125, Nero Cain wrote:hrmmmm...hrmmm...I'm trying to decide if this is scum or "too stupid to be scum"

I like how you try to discredit me before addressing my points.

In post 4125, Nero Cain wrote: Lets talk about context here. When AK questioned me as to why I suspect them but not Bacde, his vote wasn't even the fifth vote? Why do you think its townish of her to deflect to a vote that wasn't actually there?

I'm not going to speculate on another player's motivation via vote counts, especially given Bacde's erratic history with his vote on the Nacho wagon.

In post 4125, Nero Cain wrote: The fact that AK has a good chance of getting lynched today and you are defending her so so so hard is making alarm bells ring.

You were the one that asked me about AK's post from d1. I didn't find it scummy at the time, and I still don't now. I had actually come around to the opinion that AK was probably scum when you pointed me back to that post, which happened to remind me why I originally townread them in the first place. Ergo, you are responsible for my townread on the slot now.

In post 4127, Slandaar wrote:Bulba is scum yes, he doesn't do anything, he posts a lot but he doesn't achieve anything with them; he posts and posts and what is the best argument he has made? 'You can't think a scumread has confirmation Bias'

Tell me one thing he has done other than that, you can't, hes scum.

This case is weak and is evidence that you are not reading the game.

In post 4131, Desperado wrote: PEdit: You're not "allowed" to move your vote? Seriously?

Given that I've started playing in a hydra myself recently, I actually believe them.

In post 4137, Nero Cain wrote: + Bulb is lurking pretty hardcore.

This is patently false. Are you sure you're reading the game?

On to page 167.

Posted: **Wed Jun 26, 2013 6:08 pm**

In post 4224, Nero Cain wrote:
In post 4152, Nachomamma8 wrote:
In post 4125, Nero Cain wrote:The fact that AK has a good chance of getting lynched today and you are defending her so so so hard is making alarm bells ring.
what does this even mean

"you think a person who other people find scummy is town? RED FLAGS EVERYWHERE"

What the absolute fuck is this scumcho? There was a reason that that scumRyu defended the fuck out of OS before he flipped town. And I'm accusing him of the same thing. You are playing way dense this game.

So I'm scum if AK flips scum, and I'm scum if AK flips town? Can you make up your mind, so I know exactly why I'm scum?

Posted: **Wed Jun 26, 2013 6:16 pm**

Ninety-Eighth Votecount

:

(Thirty-First Votecount of Day Three,

AKA, the "Sometimes, activity is cool. Other times, it's just annoying." votecount.

)

Nero Cain - 6 (Nachomamma8, CrashTextDummie, Desperado, Bacde, ffullisade, Cephrir)

Seanald - 4 (PeregrineV, ArcAngel9, ThAdmiral, penguin_alien)

Amethyst Kitty - 1 (Kublai Khan)
Nachomamma8 - 1 (Nero Cain)
ThAdmiral - 1 (Human Destroyer)
Bacde - 1 (Rena)
Kublai Khan - 1 (Amethyst Kitty)
Rena - 1 (Slandaar)

Not Voting - 2 (Seanald, Bulbazak)

With

18

alive, it's

10

to lynch.

Day Three's deadline is Friday, July 5th, @ 12:30 PM PST, which is in (expired on 2013-07-05 12:30:00).

If deadline were to hit now,

Nero Cain

would be lynched.

Bulbazak is V/LA over weekends indefinitely.
mastin2, the moderator, is V/LA for...a while.

Spoiler: Changes from last votecount

Last votecount was page 169, post 4201.

Spoiler: Player Votecount History D3

Spoiler: Votecount History D3

Posted: **Wed Jun 26, 2013 6:17 pm**

ArcAngel9, what's your reason for having Seanald as your top scum read?

Desperado, given that Seanald hasn't responded to any of the people who think he's scum since he appealed to you, what's your take on him independent of his wagon composition?

Posted: **Wed Jun 26, 2013 6:50 pm**

Looks to me like caught scum who doesn't know what to say

Posted: **Wed Jun 26, 2013 7:34 pm**

The important links post now features links to the votecounts throughout the game.
Pokes are being sent to those who have not contributed recently.

Posted: **Wed Jun 26, 2013 9:54 pm**

In post 4168, CrashTextDummie wrote:Nacho's Nero case is awesome. Nice catch on the D1 multiball comment in particular. Sheep him.

I'm not convinced. I think in large games it is not unusual to assert it might be multi-ball.

That being said I don't see why nero is being so defensive, and am looking forward to his response to nacho's case.

Posted: **Wed Jun 26, 2013 10:53 pm**

In post 4158, Nachomamma8 wrote:But considering the strength of Nero's scumread against me, I find it strange as fuck that he keeps on jumping on people who were unlikely buddies with me. I also have no idea where the multiball assertion came from (completely out of nowhere), but his endorsement of an OS wagon while voting me and while people are saying there are likely scum in the OS jump was scummy as fuck.

I had similar reasoning for Khanscum

Why is Nero scum for attacking people who aren't likely your buddy when you're his top scum read, but Khan isn't for doing something similar to me?

Nero at least initiated some kind of attack against you, Khan didn't even make a case against me until I attacked him. Yeah, he stated he had a scum read on me and that he had it for a while, but I don't remember him doing anything with it until I confronted him about it.

In post 4154, ArcAngel9 wrote:
In post 4133, Desperado wrote:
Vote: Amethyst Kitty
AK is not dying today.. Seanald is today's lynch!!!
Stop pushing counter wagons!!!!!!!!

???

Sup with this angel? you were supporting our wagon not that long ago

I really don't like this Cain wagon in the slightest

Khan, you were setting up mislynches. I was attacking one of the biggest pushers of the OS wagon at that time, and I voiced my opinions on the OS lynch. Saying I was doing absolutely nothing to prevent him from being lynched is still a mis-rep.

Desp. Slandaaar had given several scum-reads for no reason, so has Nero, and Thad has some really strange scum reads and last I recall, Thad hasn't even voted for a single scum read

and yes, she isn't allowed to take our vote off Khan. I'm not fond of any of the leading wagons so far, and the other wagons that I might consider joining aren't yet formed so our vote there wouldn't mean shit.

as for the policy lynching Seanald for Info, I don't agree with her on that respect. I don't want to push a wagon on the sole purpose of policy when I have something much better right here in front of me regardless of the information that we may or may not gain from it.

~Mara

Posted: **Wed Jun 26, 2013 10:57 pm**

I'll get to the Nero case tomorrow, but I don't like it

Posted: **Wed Jun 26, 2013 11:29 pm**

In post 4233, ThAdmiral wrote:
In post 4168, CrashTextDummie wrote:Nacho's Nero case is awesome. Nice catch on the D1 multiball comment in particular. Sheep him.
I'm not convinced. I think in large games it is not unusual to assert it might be multi-ball.

I did a bit of digging in Nero's completed New York games and you have to go back more than a year to find a proper multiball game with two mafia factions.

NY 163: open set-up, one scum faction
NY 161: single scum team
NY 160: scum team + SK
NY 151: scum team + SK
NY 150: single scum team
NY 143: two scum teams

So I don't see why Nero would just randomly assume that this game has more than one scum faction. Quick ISO-skim of his posts in those games reveals that he considers mafia + SK multiball. But I don't think the possibility of an SK would influence his scumhunting the way the multiball assertion did in this game.

It also turns out that his multiball thoughts in this game are inconsistent:

In post 1377, Nero Cain wrote:As for my read on you. I think your play has been pretty scummy. I don't think that everyone has a town read at you and those that do have it 'cause of meta. I have never played with Mala and my experience with Mara is limited so I'm willing to listen to other players that have more experience with ya'll and besides you are helping me kill Nachoscum so you get to ride in my null pile until I find out that this is multiball.

In post 2402, Nero Cain wrote:This, but its also likely multiball so OS could still be scum.

He's giving Mala a pass until he finds out it's multiball. He doesn't give OS a pass because it's likely multiball.

Either Nero is town who arbitrarily decided this was multiball somewhere between these two posts, or he's scum who knew this was multiball from the beginning, scumhunted the opposite faction in terms of this knowledge and let it color his play.

Posted: **Thu Jun 27, 2013 12:06 am**

Why are you looking only at New York games?

You know what those games with one killing faction have in common? A larger playerbase.

Posted: **Thu Jun 27, 2013 12:37 am**

erm....that should be smaller playerbase.

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Posted: **Thu Jun 27, 2013 1:33 am**

Ima let Mastin fix my tags 'cause I'm lazy right now.

<<< You know, that's a VERY bad habit to have, 'cause it assumes I actually know how to fix your post.

I'll do my best. >>>

In post 4226, Nachomamma8 wrote:
In post 4224, Nero Cain wrote:What the absolute fuck is this scumcho? There was a reason that that scumRyu defended the fuck out of OS before he flipped town. And I'm accusing him of the same thing. You are playing way dense this game.
Yes, because he was white knighting. That doesn't mean everyone who defends someone else is white knighting.

Its still a good possibility and its still selective scumhunting and Bulb is still probs scum.

Nachomamma8 wrote:
In post 4224, Nero Cain wrote:A basic understanding of large game site meta. Stop being dumb.
You could talk about this a little more because we've all played in large normals before and they sure as hell aren't always multiball.

No one ever said anything about large normal and no one said anything about them being always multiball.

WWE-21 players/2 mafia factions
Gears of War-21 players/2 mafia factions
How 2 and a half friends-21 players 1 mafia faction and an sk "team"
Mainstream Mafia-30 players 1 mafia faction, a cult and a serial killer
meta playstyle mafia-20 players/1 mafia faction, 1 serial killer
Harry Potter-21 players 1 mafia faction/1 serial killer

BUT THOSE ARE THEME GAMES!!!

In post 4236, CrashTextDummie wrote: NY 161: single scum team
NY 160: scum team + SK
NY 151: scum team + SK
NY 143: two scum teams

So one game out of ten has more than one killing faction. So yeah, I think its always a pretty good bet that a 20+ player game will have more than one killing faction. Mind blowing, I know.

In post 4224, Nero Cain wrote:and why do you think that town Angel would care about my fake vig?
I don't know why. But I do think that she wouldn't be bold enough as scum to ask you about your fake vig if she thought you were a power role because she would be afraid you would turn it against her.

I could

maybe

see that.

In post 4224, Nero Cain wrote:context is important here. ⅔ blue scum are dead. This means there’s only one blue scum left. Unless you are claiming to be the last blue scum (and therefore hunting redscum) then he does have a much higher chance of being town.
What makes me redscum?

What does that have to do with Thad?

In post 4224, Nero Cain wrote:So? I can have a scum read on more than one person. You are doing it so why are you being a hypocrite. This is also a lie ‘cause I started out both day 2 and 3 voting for Rena.
Then why do you still suspect Bacde? He's town if Haylen is voting him, right?

And what does that have to do with you lying that I never voted for Hayrena? Bacde is more a vibe then anything but I could sit down and point out some posts that have bothered me if you really care that much.

In post 4224, Nero Cain wrote:That’s ‘cause I wasn’t “getting” paranoid about you two.
Then what were you trying to say in that quote?

Nothing really just that I still suspect you two and this "oh yay, we suspect you 'cause you suspect us" isn't making me fee any better about you two.

In post 4224, Nero Cain wrote:Yea ‘cause Bacade’s “Nacho is a good scumhunter so Nero has to be scum” made so much sense. I know that I’m town so any lynch/vig shot on me would be a waste. But I guess you’ll be ok with getting lynched/vigged when I flip town right?
Bacde was saying that he could be lynched if I flipped town, but you didn't find issue in that. You only freaked out when he suggested you be shot on my townflip.

*shrugz* I can't stop a kill but idk, he's just coming from left field. In his own words he only suspects me 'cause I suspect him. I think it was strange as fuck for Bcade to all the sudden blurt out "if Nacho flips town lets kill Nero."

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Posted: **Thu Jun 27, 2013 1:41 am**

In post 4231, Desperado wrote:Looks to me like caught scum who doesn't know what to say

So you think Sean is scum but you join his counterwagon? Gotta love that chain lynching.

Posted: **Thu Jun 27, 2013 2:17 am**

In post 4227, Bulbazak wrote:
In post 4227, Bulbazak wrote:I like how you try to discredit me before addressing my points.

You have no points.

In post 4125, Nero Cain wrote: Lets talk about context here. When AK questioned me as to why I suspect them but not Bacde, his vote wasn't even the fifth vote? Why do you think its townish of her to deflect to a vote that wasn't actually there?
I'm not going to speculate on another player's motivation via vote counts, especially given Bacde's erratic history with his vote on the Nacho wagon.

*raises eyeybrow*

That's like half the point of this game; to speculate on players motives. But the question has NOTHING to do with Bcade and everything to do with AK using a "hey look over there defense".

In post 4125, Nero Cain wrote: The fact that AK has a good chance of getting lynched today and you are defending her so so so hard is making alarm bells ring.
You were the one that asked me about AK's post from d1. I didn't find it scummy at the time, and I still don't now. I had actually come around to the opinion that AK was probably scum when you pointed me back to that post, which happened to remind me why I originally townread them in the first place. Ergo, you are responsible for my townread on the slot now.

Let me get this straight....You were town reading her and then when I pointed out her deflect you started scum reading them....which reminded you why you were town reading them. And I did something to make you town read them?

In post 4228, Bulbazak wrote:
In post 4224, Nero Cain wrote:
In post 4152, Nachomamma8 wrote:
In post 4125, Nero Cain wrote:The fact that AK has a good chance of getting lynched today and you are defending her so so so hard is making alarm bells ring.
what does this even mean

"you think a person who other people find scummy is town? RED FLAGS EVERYWHERE"

What the absolute fuck is this scumcho? There was a reason that that scumRyu defended the fuck out of OS before he flipped town. And I'm accusing him of the same thing. You are playing way dense this game.
So I'm scum if AK flips scum, and I'm scum if AK flips town? Can you make up your mind, so I know exactly why I'm scum?

Well I have no clue what you are doing. Lets say for instance, if Ryu had flipped before OS. I'm pretty sure we'd have a group of players that would have thought that Ryu might have been defending a buddy and some that might think that Ryu was defending town for town cred. Town really has no way of knowing what scum are doing.

But we can kill it.

vote:Bulb

Posted: **Thu Jun 27, 2013 5:38 am**

In post 4240, Nero Cain wrote:
In post 4231, Desperado wrote:Looks to me like caught scum who doesn't know what to say
So you think Sean is scum but you join his counterwagon? Gotta love that chain lynching.

Did you even read the question that penguin asked me?

Posted: **Thu Jun 27, 2013 5:42 am**

In post 4234, Amethyst Kitty wrote:Desp. Slandaaar had given several scum-reads for no reason, so has Nero, and Thad has some really strange scum reads and last I recall, Thad hasn't even voted for a single scum read

I don't understand why this is addressed to me. Can you fill me in?

and yes, she isn't allowed to take our vote off Khan. I'm not fond of any of the leading wagons so far, and the other wagons that I might consider joining aren't yet formed so our vote there wouldn't mean shit.

Yeah your vote is just

full of meaning

all by itself on Khan.

as for the policy lynching Seanald for Info, I don't agree with her on that respect. I don't want to push a wagon on the sole purpose of policy when I have something much better right here in front of me regardless of the information that we may or may not gain from it.

This is a complete misread of the situation. So not only is Mala misunderstanding my point, but you're now misunderstanding Mala's misunderstanding.

Hydras fucking suck.

Posted: **Thu Jun 27, 2013 6:34 am**

I am not liking the way Nero wagon going.... its a counter wagon.
nacho, stop lynching Nero please...

Posted: **Thu Jun 27, 2013 6:45 am**

In post 4242, Desperado wrote:
In post 4240, Nero Cain wrote:
In post 4231, Desperado wrote:Looks to me like caught scum who doesn't know what to say
So you think Sean is scum but you join his counterwagon? Gotta love that chain lynching.
Did you even read the question that penguin asked me?

I did, which has shit all to do with voting a counter wagon.

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Posted: **Thu Jun 27, 2013 6:50 am**

Angel, what is your Bulb read?

Posted: **Thu Jun 27, 2013 6:57 am**

Mixed thoughts...
He was bullying Fuzzy
Give free pass to Cepheir and puts him null
Calls Nacho is Nacho
Says...
Thor is town
OM is scum
Seanald is scum but unvoted him
At somepoint jumped into AK wagon
Already kept his options open to jump into your wagon at anytime...
also thinks i am scum.. His scum list is way to large than his town list....

may not be town but not todays lynch candidate.

Posted: **Thu Jun 27, 2013 7:00 am**

of course he's not town. That's why you should be helping me lynch it.

Posted: **Thu Jun 27, 2013 7:05 am**

General note: Just because I

will

fix something doesn't mean you should

rely

on my fixing something. That applies for pretty much everything, too. Including activity. Just because I'll give you warnings and be lenient with posting times, doesn't mean you should rely on my warnings and leniency. Self-regulation is far more effective, and it reduces my workload quite significantly.

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