Posted: Thu Nov 12, 2009 12:13 pm
I posted less than a day ago, which was 7 posts ago, and covered that topic in it.
You keep accusing me of tunneling on you over a misunderstanding when twice now you've ignored me saying that I have listed a multitude of other reasons to vote for you.Kirbyoshi wrote:@Yos2: Do you think those priorities are universal?
You may call my vote on drow OMGUS if you want, but she's been causing misdirection pretty much ever since she came into the game, especially when it comes to me and my suspicions. Actually, tbh, beyond her, I'm not sure who I find suspicious. But the Nuwen/Snow fiasco is seeming more and more forced the more I read it, and shemayhave misrepped Kast as well.
(shrug) On day 1 of a game, that is what town's priorities should be, if they're playing to win. Town has to find scum to win; scum just has to not get lynched in order to win.Kirbyoshi wrote:@Yos2: Do you think those priorities are universal?
I didn't call your vote on drow OMGUS. Anyway, explain, please. How has he been "causing misdirection"? That seems like a very vauge accusation. Could you explain in a little more detail, perhaps point to a post where he's been doing that?You may call my vote on drow OMGUS if you want, but she's been causing misdirection pretty much ever since she came into the game, especially when it comes to me and my suspicions. Actually, tbh, beyond her, I'm not sure who I find suspicious. But the Nuwen/Snow fiasco is seeming more and more forced the more I read it, and shemayhave misrepped Kast as well.
Not always. Especially if they're driven by scum, and/or take up the whole day, they can be hurtful to town.drow wrote:Mechanics discussions are always helpful
It doesn't have to be written down for it to be true.drow wrote:Says who? Where is that written down?
drow wrote:{about replacing scumhunting with mech discussion} Nice strawman. That's not what I said at all.
In both of these instances, if you follow your thoughts through to conclusion, this is where they'll end up.drow wrote:{about lynching persistence over wishy-washiness} Nope. Not what I said at all. You can twist my word to mean what ever you want them to mean but you're still going to get lynched.
The mech discussion was not helping us find scum,drow wrote:He's trying to derail a productive conversation
That's a nice big juicy bowl of WIFOM for the scum to feast on, and I think you know that.drow wrote:I'd tend to think if the scum attack and the town don't then it would become obvious who should be lynched.
Not all bad cases are scumbacked. You know this as well.drow wrote: The case on tony is being pushed by scum.
I'm assuming this isn't a separate point, but if it is, is that a scumtell?drow wrote:you don't have a nuwen case
I was just being broad in my opinions. I thought that's what you wanted, so why are you calling me scum for it?drow wrote:you've been throwing suspicion aronud from person-to-person hoping to start a wagon.
Um, no. HIM obv=Nuwen, and HER obv=Snow. No way around that.drow wrote:{after quoting me talking two different times about two different people}There's also a lot of contradictory statements in your posts.
No. No it's not, because I wasn't talking about Nuwen at all until you brought him up.drow wrote:It's quite obvious that I was talking about Nuwen here and not Snow_Bunny.
Admitting you don't read the thread after just calling it a scumtell?drow wrote:fine. neither of us can read. you're still scum.
For the record, on the second point, I agree with drow here; town should be flexable, there's nothing wrong with jumping around and attacking multiple people on day 1, it's a good way to get information. Your response, which seemed to imply that "tunneling=scumhunting" and "changing your mind=being wishy washy and not scumhunting" kind of left a bad taste in my mouth, personally.Kirbyoshi wrote:drow wrote:{about replacing scumhunting with mech discussion} Nice strawman. That's not what I said at all.In both of these instances, if you follow your thoughts through to conclusion, this is where they'll end up.drow wrote:{about lynching persistence over wishy-washiness} Nope. Not what I said at all. You can twist my word to mean what ever you want them to mean but you're still going to get lynched.
:eyebrow:That's a nice big juicy bowl of WIFOM for the scum to feast on, and I think you know that.drow wrote:I'd tend to think if the scum attack and the town don't then it would become obvious who should be lynched.
Wait; why is Tony a bad case?Not all bad cases are scumbacked. You know this as well.drow wrote: The case on tony is being pushed by scum.
You do know that Nuwen is female, right?Um, no. HIM obv=Nuwen, and HER obv=Snow. No way around that.drow wrote:{after quoting me talking two different times about two different people}There's also a lot of contradictory statements in your posts.
I don't think your lynch is inevitable, although you look suspicious. But I don't really see a case on Drow/Hohum at the moment.If my lynch is inevitable, hammer me. But, if there's any way I can be saved from dying toDay, I'd like to see drowmage go.
No. In this instance, "attack" meant using an "attack" action, aka "physically," not verbally.Yos wrote:Are you really claiming here that being agressive is a scumtell, Kirby?
Before now, I did not, thanks for telling me. Her "left side box-thing" doesn't say, so I just assumed.Yos wrote:You do know that Nuwen is female, right?
Well, it certainly does not seem like a good case to me, unless you can convince me otherwise. Not good case = bad case, does it not?Yos wrote:Wait; why is Tony a bad case?
...Kirbyoshi wrote:No. In this instance, "attack" meant using an "attack" action, aka "physically," not verbally.Yos wrote:Are you really claiming here that being agressive is a scumtell, Kirby?
...what case?I like how you just ignored all the rest of my points. Just because you can respond (not even refute) more than one-third of a case, doesn't make the entire case invalid.
But NOT what it means in a "melee" context. Look at what was going on at the time she posted that; she was definitely talking about attacking, not arguing.Yos wrote:I have no idea what you are talking about. I'm quite sure that when Drow was talking about "attacking" people, he was talking about "making cases against them, attacking them vebally, and voting them". That's what "attacking" means in a mafia context.
(reads back)Kirbyoshi wrote:But NOT what it means in a "melee" context. Look at what was going on at the time she posted that; she was definitely talking about attacking, not arguing.Yos wrote:I have no idea what you are talking about. I'm quite sure that when Drow was talking about "attacking" people, he was talking about "making cases against them, attacking them vebally, and voting them". That's what "attacking" means in a mafia context.
I'm still confused about how this is supposed to be a scum tell.Kirbyoshi wrote:My point is, dorw, as Hohum, is someone I take to be an experienced player who should know if she makes such a WIFOMy statement, and I think she does know it.
"Stop defending her"? I don't have anything to defend anyone against, because you have yet to make a case.Kirbyoshi wrote:Knowingly opening a WIFOM hole is scummy. Stop defending her and let her defend herself.
Oh, I didn't intend to imply that. I just think KY is trying to make too much hay out of what clearly looks like a misunderstanding.Kast wrote: @Y2-
It's extremely unfair to claim that KY was responsible for misunderstandings between KY and DM.