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what experience exactly, nat?

Let's go with "general meta".

Please note the quotation marks, Saki, if you get my drift.

I'm voting him because I'm getting scumvibes off him from what I've read on D2 so far.

Oh. Oil's claim makes my result moot then. Saki if it's not obvious I so stop fucking around and lets kill scums now.

Will reread after since I only have time to skim at the moment.

Other head here reporting in. Just woke up and I'm slowly making my way through this thread so expect this catch up to come in chunks.

In post 334, morph the cat wrote:Share?

Alright, I guess it's time for the first edition of...





Mafia Through a Puppy's Eyes - I remember scumreading her while this game was ongoing. A large part of that was basically because it seemed like she was actively lurking and only jumping into the conversation when people called her out on it (see the string of posts starting with #162). Aside from that, nothing else is really remarkable. She's generally a lot more image conscious in this game than I usually see in her scum games and that's something I tend to see a lot from competent scum (it's the only way I know how to read petapan for example). #467 in particular is written with a level of detail that I don't think I'd expect from her as town and I get the impression she just wrote that to give off the appearance of townieness.

War is Hell - Again, the same pattern tends to come up here. The impression I got from LLD when I first followed this game (and from rereading now) is that she seemed a lot more concerned with justifying herself and with just appearing pro-town. Take a look at the level of detail in her Matt read and the unprompted overjustification she provides in posts like #254 and I think you'll see what I mean.



/in-vitational 14 - Reading her ISO, I think you can pretty clearly see the difference. LLD isn't totally transparent with her reasoning for stuff -- in this game, she opens the game tunneling TML's slot without really explaining why and just kinda forces other people to figure it out; I think as scum she'd have presented it right off the bat. She's incredibly persistent with her questions (#42) which is something I don't really see with her scum games either - she's more willing to either drop lines of questioning or doesn't bother with them at all. The way she approaches her Matt scumread in WiH makes it seem like she's not really interested in trying to figure out his alignment (or anyone else's for that matter), whereas you can see her trying to use her TML vote as a springboard to figure out what other people are doing.

Purified Mafia - This one's a bit old but it's the only other relevant town game of her's I remember reading. Mainly the same stuff I pointed out above but I just wanted to point out here that in this game she's not above antagonizing other people (like Majiffy here) and I don't think she'd really do that as scum or at least not to the extent she does so in that game.

Well...I don't know. Part of the reason we had a scumread on LLD early on was meta-based. Like I said, at the time, a lot of those questions seemed to not really go anywhere and I got the impression that she was just asking them to look town. But her big wall-response in #184 made me think she was being genuine in her scumhunting process here. Tierce thinks she can fake that kind of post as scum easily but I still get town vibes from it. Antagonizing Tierce a la #141 also looks good in light of her meta above. Going over her ISO in this game again, I don't get the feeling that she's stuffing up her posts with needless overjustification or that she is uninterested in people's alignments. So I'll say leaning town because I'm a huge baby.

In post 353, Sakura Hana wrote:So yeah i read through the thread, and I would say that I would have agreed with the TIP lynch (since at the time I didn't know his alignment)

What exactly would you have agreed with with regards to the TIP lynch? If it's stuff that other people have posted, can you please specify?

In post 372, Oil Tycoons wrote:also where is empire?

I was sleeping. I don't have anything to do with my life at the moment because I just got done taking the single most important and difficult exam of my life and I'm just waiting for the results. I know that I'm extremely awesome and ownage and that being town requires me to post like 500 times in the thread because all I can think about is the game and no one would be able to read me otherwise but I think you guys can wait just a bit longer for me to actually do things. I'm still pretty fucking annoyed that I barely even got to play yesterday and I didn't have any strong reads but they're starting to form right now. I'll talk them over with you guys after I let the thread marinate in my mind for a bit.

P.S.: Tierce obvtown'd herself on our slot's first post of the game, you need to step up your game dude.

In post 431, Jabberwock wrote:If it's stuff that other people have posted

It isn't, or maybe it is I forgot now, in any case, because I didn't see a single hint to scumhunting on his part.

OK, Nacho/Syryana, a couple of things before I go out to eat:

1) What's your current read on the Purpkin slot?

2) I can get behind your townread on Donald Fagen's wonderful 2006 solo album but I don't think I really buy the Andrius town-read. His hammer and subsequent reaction to it seem way too easy for a player of his competence to fake. Is there anything else in his posts that make you think he's town or is that it? There's something I want to ask Tierce about that's very largely meta-based though.

I'll post my current reads when I get back. They're still in the incubation stage but I think we can go somewhere with them.

In post 434, Jabberwock wrote:OK, Nacho/Syryana, a couple of things before I go out to eat:

1) What's your current read on the Purpkin slot?

2) I can get behind your townread on Donald Fagen's wonderful 2006 solo album but I don't think I really buy the Andrius town-read. His hammer and subsequent reaction to it seem way too easy for a player of his competence to fake. Is there anything else in his posts that make you think he's town or is that it? There's something I want to ask Tierce about that's very largely meta-based though.

I'll post my current reads when I get back. They're still in the incubation stage but I think we can go somewhere with them.

How much Meta do you have on Andrius!scum?

In post 435, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:How much Meta do you have on Andrius!scum?

Not a whole lot unfortunately. If I remember correctly, all his recently completed games are town-games so I don't have a strong basis for comparison.

Also, that was totally not antagonistic in 141. Harsh teasing at worst~. I had 3 tildes in there. 3 of them. Totally messing with her.

Though it's funny you bring that up in the same paragraph as Tierce thinking I can fake post 184, because what I was making fun of her for is the same reason (in my opinion) she thinks I could fake that post. Go read the last pages of the last day of Behind the Maiden Mafia, specifically looking at a post I made about logical order of events from DDD's perspective, directed at Tierce.

In post 436, Jabberwock wrote:

In post 435, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:How much Meta do you have on Andrius!scum?

Not a whole lot unfortunately. If I remember correctly, all his recently completed games are town-games so I don't have a strong basis for comparison.

IIRC, Andrius scum is very weak. He doesn't like being it and it often shows.

But I mean, it's been a while so that could have changed or I could be mistaken. That's just what I remember off the top of my head.

NACHO IS HERE <333

And I just realized that Oil Tycoons is Nacho...

LLD wrote:

Jabberwocky wrote:(P.S.: I haven't taken a shot at the VN yet, but I wasn't a fan of the Umineko anime personally.)

(The VN is so much better. Give it a shot some time.)

I liked the anime up until... Cycle three? when the magick becomes crazy? Like I enjoyed the premise and the whole A LIE EVERYONE BELIEVES BECOMES THE TRUTH and the bit of mindfuckery at the end but by the time the anime got to its last cycle I was like "just kill everyone they don't matter to me anymore".

Saki don't impress me none.

In post 226, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:Stop focusing on the baddies and focus on meeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

no man the play is clearly ignore the girl who's into you
then you surprise her later with a nice box with a bow

In post 228, Saki wrote:

In post 226, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:Stop focusing on the baddies and focus on meeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

no, the spotlight is mine and mine only

girls girls please youre all pretty

In post 236, Oil Tycoons wrote:Man, it's been like a whole minute since that arrival. I'm somewhat disappointed none of you have reacted to my blazing glory.

where's nacho?

OILTYCOONS wrote:People I like:
Andrius - anybody hammering TIP gets megapoints.

So uh. I take it this is the "leaning town" category? Just so we're all clear.

In post 263, Oil Tycoons wrote:That's be'er

oh my god
come to me bby

In post 321, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:Tierce.

The numbers are back.

Let's continue ignoring them because that CLEARLY WORKED LAST TIME.
No but seriously I'm not sure if there's anything we CAN do besides work fast?

In post 325, TheIrishPope wrote:The Dark Angel... She's found me at last... At least I can sleep now...

THIS is the best post in the game.

In post 333, Purpkin wrote:I am not sure what to do with that info.

I am starting here:
VOTE: Saki

In post 335, Saki wrote:awesome place to start eh.
VOTE: Saki

The hell is this.

In post 336, Sakura Hana wrote:What the heck was with that rushed day? I didnt even get to post

OK SERIOUSLY.
WE KNOW IT WAS RUSHED.
THE QUESTION IS.
DO YOU THINK I AM SCUM FOR THAT HAMMER OR NOT?
Because there's a good number of people going 'oh herp derp that was a fast day' and just kinda leaving that there.

ProHawk wrote:I also feel The Oil Guys' twilight posting to be disingenuous, I wouldn't mind starting there today either, but that could just be my lack of experience with them.

idk it felt genuine but not necessarily town?
Like it was genuine posting but didn't really get a read off it.

In post 344, DTMaster wrote:

Vote Saki

. Because I have reasons and they support Saki-scum. I.e. I did shenanigans last night and Saki is top suspect unless otherwise stated.

k yeah my vote is staying
CHOO CHOO

Nat/DTM looks scum/town to me.
I mean the setup spec definitely looks genuine but that's not a towntell or anything. I know people will/do disagree but eh.

In post 351, Saki wrote:

In post 344, DTMaster wrote:I.e. I did shenanigans last night and Saki is top suspect unless otherwise stated.

Huh?
Why feel the need to keep it secret?

...think about it

vi wrote:~Vote Count IV: Ayra

Does anyone else hate the ENGRISH verisons of the FE4/5 names or is it just me?

Seriously.
Someone explain how SAki can be town.

In post 365, Jabberwock wrote:Hey fferyllt we're still waiting on you contributing stuff proactively instead of asking for things.

ffery pls

In post 367, Oil Tycoons wrote:We are Marth. Our first ability is "I say when it ends!" which means that if we would be nightkilled, we will instead die at the end of the next day. We got a message this morning saying we will die at the end of today. We were nightkilled during the night.

nacho no
nacho im sorry
i didn't share my world with you
and now its too late
;_;

In post 368, Saki wrote:

In post 359, DTMaster wrote:@Saki
No hidden agendas. Thought I was clear. I have a role interaction that implicates you because there was no NK. That should be easy. There are other explanations that can explain these conditions which would suggest other things - but I doubt they would claim.

Thought this was elementary school bus level logic. My disapproved Edgeworth face should be here.

No roleclaim. Faking a guilty. Why?
Because scum that's why.

And also there

was

a nightkill, just delayed. What impact does that have on your investigation? Is it still pointing guilty at me?

This is literally all you're contributing?
DTM has like, 0 scumtivation to fake something like this on you so stop and
GIVE READS
VOTE
CONTRIBUTE

In post 369, Saki wrote:

In post 359, DTMaster wrote:No hidden agendas.

You hid your entire damn role from me and fake a guilty and you say there's no hidden agenda?

HOW ARE YOU INSTANTLY ASSUMING HE FAKED A GUILTY
THERE ARE AT LEAST HALF A DOZEN THINGS HE COULD DO TO GET GOODINFO ON YOU THAT ARENT COP RESULTS

In post 374, Saki wrote:

In post 373, Oil Tycoons wrote:

In post 371, Saki wrote:Even if he is wrong about the guilty I still think he's scum.

...?

Why the hell would town claim

partially

?

seriously stop
i partial claimed like three times in one game
depends on what is needed etc


Yo Daemon. Quick list of reads etc would be great.

I'm assuming that BluntTierce is a thing so that'd make Jabberwock/Nacho town/town as long as Nacho dies. If he doesn't die then obv something's up.

I'll totally trust the Nachometa on Cabd/ffery since all I see is Cabd posts and little to no ffery posts which makes me worry.

In post 409, Jabberwock wrote:

In post 371, Saki wrote:I don't see town motivation behind a partial claim.
Even if he is wrong about the guilty I still think he's scum.

This bothers me a lot. It's the phrasing. "Even if he's wrong"--wouldn't Saki-Town KNOW that DTMaster is wrong?


Tierce won't be the one helping you with LLD, ffery.

Another good point.
Do you want to lynch Saki with me or do you want to lynch Saki with me?

In post 413, Sakura Hana wrote:Except it looks like I need to read a book-worth of posts everytime I check this thread.

I don't think Oil is lying about being poisoned, specially since as he said, it can be confirmed easily on the next day phase.
Saki has done zero scumhunting, but that's normal town saki.
I've only played with scum Tierce, and she did more walls of text. Also I remember someone commenting something about puppies, guess Jabberwock is town.
So here's my vote for now:
VOTE: DTM
Hope this time whenever I check this thread again when i get back to work there arent a million unread words.

1) why would he lie about that, as scum
2) how is doing nothing useful remotely town?
3) do you have any more reads?

nacho wrote:This was actually pretty hilarious

I try sometimes.

nacho wrote:I don't think Andy hammered on purpose, despite his alignment.

Wait what are you implying here?

In post 429, DTMaster wrote:Oh. Oil's claim makes my result moot then. Saki if it's not obvious I

role blocked you last night

so stop fucking around and lets kill scums now.

Unvote

Will reread after since I only have time to skim at the moment.

Still think Saki needs rope regardless of DTM interactions.

Yo I'm not doing extensive metareading so I'll read your wall on LLD, Empire, but I won't dive as Cabd likes to put it.

jabberwock wrote:His hammer and subsequent reaction to it seem way too easy for a player of his competence to fake.

I can't help but laugh at my percieved competence.
Sorry to break it to you, Tierce, but I'm actually an idiot.

LLD wrote:IIRC, Andrius scum is very weak. He doesn't like being it and it often shows.

You're supposed to talk up my good points!

TOWN
purpkin
jabberwock <--- i worry about something but im not going to dwell on it for now
ffcabdy <--- worried bout ffery but I'll trust nacho's metareading
DTM <--- for srs, this guy townytown
prohawk <--- from what ive seen i like the slot
sakurahana <--- pending questions

DEAD AND GONE
oil tycoons <--- ;_;

SCUM
saki
natirasha <--- going to reread and see what's there because i said i would
daemon <--- D1 stuff read scummy to me, hasn't been much D2

Oh and LLD.
I'm ready for tea when you are. Unless you want to make it superspecial and then we can go on a dinnerdate and stargazing, in which case you'll have to wait a bit.


p.s. Nacho, on a sliding scale of WEARING ORANGE ON ST. PATTY'S DAY to GODTOWN where do you sit with Jabberwock. Because I'm a bit worried and I see you are so maybe we can talk a bit and work this out.

I'm not signing my fucking posts.

I'm always ready for tea times.

But you still don't have a read on me in your reads list ;_;

1) Isn't that what I said? that He isn't lying about being poisoned?
2) Saki's meta, he does zero scumhunting when town and lots when scum.
3) Everyone else is null atm, I feel like I replaced into a game for some reason... and yes that includes you as null.

About your hammer? Idk, mistakes like that happen, not often, but they do, so that's why it's a nulltell for me.

This was however before you made that large post analysing everything so you're leaning more town for me now, specially since this has been done twice by you already.

1) But why would he lie about being poisoned if it will be OBVIOUS that he won't die at the end of today? How does scum benefit from fakeclaiming a poison this early, under no suspicion, when their lie would get outed so easily (by the mod)?
2) Ok, but I just don't see that as being town AT ALL. Like how does that actually HELP anything. Oh, so how strong is your meta on him anyway? How many games have you been in with him?
3) Not supersatisfied because you should be having more reads than that. Like, srs.

Anywho.

Ok teatime.

What do you think of

my dress

Natirasha's reaction to the DTM fakekill?
What are your for srs thoughts on Jabberwock and the purpkin slot?
Do you have any meta with ffery/Cabd?

On a scale of ANDY NOOOOOOO ;_____; to MEH how sad are you that you don't appear on my reads list?
How does me not publically revealing a read on you affect your read on me?

What do you think of SakuraHana's overabundance of nullreads?


Finally
On a scale of BETTER THAN PULSEFIRE EZ to WORSE THAN RECOLORS how awesome would a Annie skin be where you played as Tibbers and summoned Annie with your ult? He'd still have the same abilities as she would but it'd be him obv.

NACHO PLS

1) I am not saying he lied, what makes you think i did?
2) Too many to count ._.
3) I'm slow at reading people... why would you think i'd gather more reads?

Woooooooow.
I can't read.
Ignore #1 then for some reason I read it as "I think he lied". My b.

3) Yo I'm willing to work with reads and I know we were stiffed of a long drawn out D1 with lots of time but idk expected more reads. Ill give you more time sure np np.