Mini 116: Trigger Mafia Concluded

[Yaw]

Yes, we need Willows here.

You realize, Jaguar, that with that kind of question you would have gotten Otaku guilty? (Vigilantes like to hurt people.) I'm saying this because it could give false guilties, which may be relevant information depending on how we want to approach things from here on out.

[Tigris]

Vote Count

voting: no one

Just so you all don't think I forgot you =^-^=

[willows_weep]

Wow, I'm not mafia/scum/anti-town.


Interesting though, if everyone else has an alibi?
And is it Jaguar thats in control of that perspective?

The reason I had asked that question about if Jaguar was going to check me out. I asked that because Jag had said something about checking those who hadnt said anything about having triggers yet (I believe so anyway) and so I don't remember Uraj/Willow saying anything like it.

Which then leads to exactly why I asked ...do you see?

Anyway im leaving for Maine the final time this tuesday...so i will lots of acess after that!!!

[shadyforce]

Ok, maybe people 'guilty' from Jag's investigation won't necessarily be scum, but we can be pretty sure that people 'innocent' from the investigation most definitely won't. So Yaw and I are clear, assuming we believe Jag who has nabbed us a scum already.

It's a simple 50-50 choice between WW and Totem for (what I hope is) the remaining scum. I think, since this is end-game and all, perhaps a role-claim from them 2, detailing their respective night choices might be a good place to start.

Does anyone have any objections to that?

Also, correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems that even if they are both scum, we just lynch one today and then the other tomorrow and we win, right?

[Jaguar]

Yes, it'll be Totem or Willows unless Shady hit a trigger to convert him to scum.

And no, Yaw, I had not thought about that, but you are correct in that a vig could come up guilty.

As for who to pick between the two, I am not entirely sure. Totem's claim of being a doughnut and investigating him being bad for cops is a nice way to steer cops away from investigating you, but Willow's direct question if I was going to investigate also made me think that perhaps investigating won't do any good. Perhaps Willows, or the remaining scum, has a special ability like Tam did with the unstoppable kill.

[Yaw]

I'm in agreement with the analysis so far. We should have both Willows and Totem claim as Shady suggested.

The idea that Jaguar is lying is fading in my mind, as I don't see any particular advantage if she sold out her partner yesterday. Nobody was looking in Tam's direction before that investigation result. Shady is right in that questions about hurting others are only likely to lead to false positives, not false negatives. I'm not sure it's relevant, I just wanted it out there in case such a situation arose between now and the end of the game. Best not to be blindsided by these sorts of things.

[Totem]

just to clearly state my opinion

vote: willows

Not much to say about me. allways townie first turned into donut and now have one shot usefull protown item ( should I claim?) Very last night I decided to not take activated trigger and keep the item.

[willows_weep]

Hm, claim.
I'm pro town. Townie.

[Yaw]

Townie? Meaning you haven't hit any triggers during this game?

[willows_weep]

Oh, I was on the tele while writing that.

I explained why I asked that question directly.
Your post said you were going to investigate those who hadn't alluded to having had any triggers.
You mentioned those who had. There aren't many players.
I then should have been on the list for next.
You had not mentioned me at all in your post. You mentioned a few other players.
So yea....

Hm, I'm not scum/antitown/mafia.


I can post until around 7am tomorrow morning.
I have to drive to Maine again.
IF I actually get there in time, I will have posting acess starting Wednesday morning.

[willows_weep]

Oh, sorry again. I hadn't caught that.

I have had triggers yes. But nothing that doesn't make me still a townie(Townie being something without an ability that affects someone else/others at night).
I've had some cool stuff.
None of it changes my allegiance.

[Yaw]

Willows, due to Jaguar's investigations we're down to you or Totem being the final scum. Please claim

fully

so that we can analyze both of your claims when deciding who to lynch. I know you haven't claimed any triggers thus far, and it has been good to keep the pro-town triggered roles under wraps as much as possible. Right now, though, it's more to our advantage in catching scum if you claim.

I think it's best if we hear the one-shot, Totem.

[shadyforce]

Stop dancing around the issue and answer the question explicitly please.

-What is your victory condition?
-How many times/when have you been offered triggers, and have you accepted them or rejected them? And what have they been, and what choices did you make.

Basically, tell us everything.

[willows_weep]

Meh,

Let's see:
Win condition...town wins I win with the other remaining townies.

Times? Let me go check that.

Found something in my casa Night 2. I said yup to checking it out. It was a stick.
Let me get the opportunity to have my vote count double.
(Note I didn't vote at all that day. ...Not that I usually vote...)

The next night I got another trigger. I chose to leave the stick because really...it's not useful to a person who doesn't like to vote anyway...
And I got a vest that protects me.
So that's cool. Bullets and knives and such don't harm me.

I haven't had anything else since.

I'm tired.

[Yaw]

Ok. Now we just have to hear from Totem. What's the one-shot pro-town item you have?

[Totem]

I have old hunting rifle with one round of bird shot. ( it is hinted that it could fail)
I was thinking about shooting Jaguar if willows turns out innocent.

One additonal thing , when I aquired the rifle I found out what the consequences of being the donut were exactly. (I don't think it was mentioned that when you lose a trigger your old one is explained. Willows certainly didn't mention that ... and he says he got a 'stick' ? what kind of trigger is that?)

final word , I am town (Townie) from very first day

[Yaw]

Totem, why would you shoot Jaguar if Willows turns up innocent?

Also, what were the consequences of donuthood?

[Yaw]

Wait. Duh. Scratch that first question.

Of course Totem should shoot Jaguar if Willows turns up innocent. From his point of view, that implicates Totem as scum, and if he were innocent, that would indicate something's wrong with Jaguar's investigations, and hence she's lying scum. I'm liking the argument to lynch Willows today over Totem -- if Totem does this vig kill, there's an extra check that wouldn't exist otherwise. At any rate, we either win by lynching Willows if she's the final scum, win through the vig kill if it's Jaguar, or win tomorrow through lynching if it's Totem.

Besides, a

stick

? Honestly.

Sounds like a good plan to me. I'll put on the second vote.

Vote: willows_weep

[Tigris]

Vote Count:

Willows weep (2) - totem and yaw

not voting (3) - jaguar, shadyforce, and willows weep

[Jaguar]

Hhm. Interesting. A double count stick or a vig with bird shot.

So what did the doughnut do to investigating cops, Totem?

Still not sure if I should be voting Willows or Totem as I see one problem with that. We lynch willows and she is innocent, that means that there are 4 of us left going into night. Vig takes me out AND mafia takes out someone else if Totem is not the mafia. This means that there will be two people remaining. Scum wins. This is not a good idea.

Yaw, why would you agree to this?

[Yaw]

That doesn't make sense, though, Jaguar. We've already established that Shady and I are innocent by investigation. Either your investigations are legitimate, in which case the remaining scum has to be either Totem or Willows, or your investigations are not legitimate, in which case you are the remaining lying scum and there isn't any room in the numbers for Shady or I to be scum. So with that established, the plan works.

[willows_weep]

Hm, If I was aware I had to explain every little detail to you all I would have (after being annoyed of course)

My stick was already explained to me.

I found something in my home. I was asked if I wanted to use it. Didn't know if it was useful or not. It's not like alot of the other triggers. It's a really big stick.
I use it oddly. Because I'm a gentle person. But by having it if I vote it's counted twice.

Next night. I hit another trigger. I am told that if I take this I lose what I had the other night.
I decide to drop the stick and see what else I can get.
I get armour. It makes noise when I move etc.

Last night I got nothing. I don't lose armour or gain anything else.

Totem...really? You say stick like 'donut' is nearly as common.
Ditto for Yaw.


BTW, I hope not only the mafia have noted that their weapons most likely can't go through my armor(Let me go check what was the killing tool last night)
Which means mafia would be probably trying to get me during the day.
Makes sense...

[willows_weep]

[qoute]I don't think it was mentioned that when you lose a trigger your old one is explained.Willows certainly didn't mention that [/qoute]

Wait a second...
When you lose a trigger... I haven't ever had something I gained from triggering TAKEN away from me.
So I haven't ever lost something.

I chose to give up my stick. Because it was useless to me. When I was told I hit another trigger I wanted to see what it was because like I said...
Since I already gained the stick night 3 I had the information I needed to know if, when and how I could/would use it.
Night 3 came the time I hit another trigger and had the option of taking that.
I gave it up freely.

My point is that I don't understand what you mean by what I qouted from you Totem.

You have had more than one trigger as well.
So you have had experience with them (Assuming).
Even though my stick was/is different a bit from other triggers.
Because of the fact my night 3 trigger had no mention of it being different.
As SOON as I accepted it I got the info on it in the next pm.


Anyway, I didn't get to go to maine today. Some mix up with the amtrak tickets for my friend getting back. I will hopefully be leaving tomorrow morning. Same drill. Ta.

[Jaguar]

Yaw, you are once again right, I wasn't thinking clearly obviously. The masses of typing I've had to proof and do today must be rattling my brain.

I must say that I find both Totem and Willows' claims complete enough to realize that regardless of whether they are scum or not, they've both hit triggers.

So if Totem is scum and we lynch Willows, I die by getting hit with bird shot, Yaw and Shady lynch lynch Totem, we win.

If Willows is scum, we win if we lynch her today and as long as nobody else has hit a role reversal trigger.

I'd rather not think about the possibility of the last remaining scum not being identifyable by investigation, because that would throw a wrench in the works.

I'd like to hear from Shady before I vote though.

[willows_weep]

I am hoping everyone is reading this all carefully.
Night 2 I hit a stick. It gave me the power to have my votes counted twice.

What would mafia do?

WWMD!!!