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Post Post #450 (ISO) » Sun Nov 15, 2009 11:42 am

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I'd like to emphasize:
drowmage wrote:a town aligned role.
As I understand it, there is no difference between scum stats, and town stats.
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Post Post #451 (ISO) » Sun Nov 15, 2009 11:51 am

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I don't know what your role PM says but mine specifically states my alignment. That's 2 scum down. Anyone else care to volunteer for some scum slippage?
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Post Post #452 (ISO) » Sun Nov 15, 2009 12:01 pm

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TonyMontana wrote:Look above to see drow making a fuss over nothing.

Also, does anyone have "roles"? dunno bout you, drow, but us town folks have stats
and alignment
. I'd brush this off as a mere semantic issue, except you asked him to claim his role, after he had claimed everything.
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Post Post #453 (ISO) » Sun Nov 15, 2009 12:02 pm

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I missed TM's post at the bottom of the last page. It's a strawman. I'm trying to key kirby to claim his alignment. If I were being asked to claim the first thing I would says is that I received a role PM that says I'm town.

So, I'll withdraw my comment
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Post Post #454 (ISO) » Sun Nov 15, 2009 12:07 pm

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hohum wrote:I missed TM's post at the bottom of the last page. It's a strawman. I'm trying to key kirby to claim his alignment. If I were being asked to claim the first thing I would says is that I received a role PM that says I'm town.

So, I'll withdraw my comment
I think that everyone claims to be town is assumed.
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Post Post #455 (ISO) » Sun Nov 15, 2009 12:11 pm

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When did we decide it was acceptable for hohum to post here?
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Post Post #456 (ISO) » Sun Nov 15, 2009 12:14 pm

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chamber wrote:
hohum wrote:I missed TM's post at the bottom of the last page. It's a strawman. I'm trying to key kirby to claim his alignment. If I were being asked to claim the first thing I would says is that I received a role PM that says I'm town.

So, I'll withdraw my comment
I think that everyone claims to be town is assumed.
Still, alignment claims are useful. For example, what if he claims cop? What if there's more than one town-aligned faction alive? Would you lynch a claimed mason on D1? I wouldn't. Alignment claims are useful. Lack of an explicit claim is scummy.
TonyMontana wrote:When did we decide it was acceptable for hohum to post here?
When I replaced in. Clearly you need to reread the game.
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Post Post #457 (ISO) » Sun Nov 15, 2009 12:15 pm

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hohum is clearly drownmage's main account.
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Post Post #458 (ISO) » Sun Nov 15, 2009 12:32 pm

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I know that.

I was making a point of it being annoying and distracting.
Accidentally forgetting to change account is one thing, but I've never seen someone do it 4 times in a week before. So stop it.
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Post Post #459 (ISO) » Sun Nov 15, 2009 12:41 pm

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I seriously think everyone is going to claim town, whether there's different "factions" or not. Masons would want to claim town in order to save themselves a NK, and scum and indies would want to claim town for obvreasons.

So ya, just to be clear, my claim is town.
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Post Post #460 (ISO) » Sun Nov 15, 2009 12:41 pm

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Well I'm not doing it on purpose. I'll take better care to make sure I'm logged in on the right account.
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Post Post #461 (ISO) » Sun Nov 15, 2009 1:00 pm

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Didnt mean to say you were. Appreciate the vow of effort. Let's move on ;)
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Post Post #462 (ISO) » Mon Nov 16, 2009 4:57 am

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KirbyYoshi, read the game and please post a scumlist.
Call me Tajo.
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Post Post #463 (ISO) » Mon Nov 16, 2009 5:03 am

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Staaaaaalliiiiiiing game. Why on earth do I see stat claims?

This game is like a small town setup. TSQ said he created character sheets and then assigned characters to be scum at random. There's no claimable information that's alignment indicative. Keep your stats to yourself.

I guess I should backread n'stuff.
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Post Post #464 (ISO) » Mon Nov 16, 2009 6:09 am

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Just for you, Tajo:

Scumlist:
1. drowmage
2. populartajo
3. hohum :P
4. Yosarian2 (mostly for denying the existence of a clearly stated case)
5. Grover (lurkage)
6. Stark (I think he's had enough time to read, but he hasn't been lurking as long as Grover has, so he's not as scummy)

Everyone else I'm pretty sure is town.

@Nuwen: Like I said, I didn't know what to claim, so I just decided to claim everything. A little guidance pre-claim would have been nice, but I guess it's mostly my fault for not asking for it.
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Post Post #465 (ISO) » Mon Nov 16, 2009 8:22 am

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@DM, 456-
You say alignment claims are useful then list role claims as examples. Wtf?

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Claims could catch a liar and it would be worthwhile to leave a claimed cop or doc. Also no need to rush.
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Post Post #466 (ISO) » Mon Nov 16, 2009 10:40 am

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Kirbyoshi wrote: 4. Yosarian2 (mostly for denying the existence of a clearly stated case)

I explained in some detail exactally why I don't belive you have actually made a case for Drow being scum. You said some things, but none of them seem to have anything to do with Drow's alignment as far as I can tell, and you didn't seem willing or able to explain to me why scum would be more likely to do those specific things then town. So, in my book, that means you have not made a case.

On a side note, I am now slightly suspicious of Drow, for the first time this game, mostly because his reaction to your claim strikes me as somehow off. That dosn't get you off the hook though.
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Post Post #467 (ISO) » Mon Nov 16, 2009 11:29 am

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@Yos: You don't think that intentionally misleading town is indicative of an anti-town role? And drow's response strikes you as being off, but Nuwen's doesn't? Why not?
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Post Post #468 (ISO) » Mon Nov 16, 2009 11:30 am

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Although, there is this:
drow wrote:Still, alignment claims are useful. For example, what if he claims cop?
So, cop is an alignment now? I don't get it...
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Post Post #469 (ISO) » Mon Nov 16, 2009 11:44 am

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Kirbyoshi wrote:@Yos: You don't think that intentionally misleading town is indicative of an anti-town role?
Sure it would. Quote me the post where drow "intentionally misled" the town.

All I saw in that post was one obvious and now resolved misunderstanding about who you were talking about, and a bunch of quibbling about WIFOM.
And drow's response strikes you as being off, but Nuwen's doesn't? Why not?
Ok, what is it that you think is scummy about Nuwen's reaction to your claim?
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Post Post #470 (ISO) » Mon Nov 16, 2009 12:35 pm

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Well, I personally don't think it's scummy, but I could see how someone could.

She basically told me I shouldn't have said as much as I did about my character, i.e. my stats. I'm wondering which one is a good strategy: do you agree with her that in this kind of game, it's good not to claim EVERYTHING, or does it really matter?
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Post Post #471 (ISO) » Mon Nov 16, 2009 12:36 pm

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And about drow, I've already given 4 instances that you have yet to respond to. I'm not going to go back and dig them up for you. I think you know which ones I'm talking about...
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Post Post #472 (ISO) » Mon Nov 16, 2009 2:47 pm

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Our mod has us kind of forgotten, isn't he?

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Post Post #473 (ISO) » Mon Nov 16, 2009 2:56 pm

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Mod: I hate to do this but, it obvious that I cannot handle this game and ask you to replace me. I am sorry.
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Post Post #474 (ISO) » Mon Nov 16, 2009 4:01 pm

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Kirbyoshi wrote:Well, I personally don't think it's scummy, but I could see how someone could.

She basically told me I shouldn't have said as much as I did about my character, i.e. my stats. I'm wondering which one is a good strategy: do you agree with her that in this kind of game, it's good not to claim EVERYTHING, or does it really matter?
I'm not sure, at this point. Part of it will depend on how much information we get when we lynch someone. I don't see how it's at all scummy for her to think that, in any case.
Kirby wrote: And about drow, I've already given 4 instances that you have yet to respond to. I'm not going to go back and dig them up for you. I think you know which ones I'm talking about...
Fail. Obviously, I don't think you have given any examples at all of anything that looks to me like Drow has "intentionally misled" the town; if I did, I wouldn't have said you don't have a case. I've read all your posts, and I haven't even seen anything that looks like Drow being honest and lying to the town, at all. You attacked him for making WIFOMy statements (which isn't a scumtell at all), and for a misunderstanding which could, at best, be called unintentionally misleading the town.

And the fact that you make broad, vague statements like that and then are completely unwilling to back them us really increases further the odds in my mind the idea that you're probably scum here who's just trying to look like you're scumhunting.
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