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[NorwegianboyEE]

UNVOTE:

I need a moment

You weren't actually voting anyone btw.

Just thought it'd be funny to point that out.

[Momrangal]

Oh I thought I was on Vax

[Momrangal]

Actually I’m starting to think Norwegian has a point. The reason the Vig is not outting is because they completely ruined the Scum plan and would get immediately shot by them at Night.

Do you?

From my perspective, molla is paranoid because the game just got turned on its head alot of people had gotten taken out of the picture, so those that who are still in them need to be looked at with more scrutiny. There isn't a single town at this moment that should be overly confident. Everyone should be reevaluating their reads and what I don't see is Norwee doing that.
Similarly to how he doesn't reevaluate after strongmanning two mislynches he isn't reevaluating his non conf-town, town reads. He isn't reconsidering Luca at all and is sticking to his own shitty readlist while calling everyone who goes against him horrible.

I don't think he's town here

[Momrangal]

VOTE: Norwee

[Momrangal]

I seriously doubt chk tries to move a CW from town titus to scum! Hayker. Not when they are already down one but he's ignoring that

[NorwegianboyEE]

There's still hope that Andres knows what up.

[Andresvmb]

Wait am I actually the deciding vote between Norwegian and Vax? This is intense.

[Andresvmb]

Okay this is what I’m going to do. I’m going to ISO both players. And then I’ll come back with a verdict. I won’t post this gigantic explanation nobody wants to see that. But I will sort of summarize what I think tilts my thinking one way or the other.

[Andresvmb]

And if anybody hammers and it turns out Town, that’s a Scum claim.

[Andresvmb]

Fair?

[Andresvmb]

Oh and before I read. Part of me wants it to be Norwegian. It would make me look amazing. I would have actually been right towards the beginning of the game but horribly sidelined. But there’s something about it that feels a bit hero solvey? Like if we’re being for real here for a minute, Vax is the easier choice. It’s much easier to defend. Norwegian is much harder to defend if it flips Town. Like I’m going to get yelled at for sure if I vote Norwegian and they flip Town. I can see it. I am not afraid of it I suppose but I’m getting so bashed if I get this wrong haha

[NorwegianboyEE]

To put things into perspective.

Luca Blight and Gamma Emerald are intimately familiar with my town and scumplay, and they are voting Vaxkiller.

Momrangal, Hayker and BBMolla are not familiar with my playstyle at all and barely know me outside of this single game. And they are voting me.

[Andresvmb]

I understand that you might want to make a meta argument here. But it’s not the best way to look at it. Let me just read I’ll let you know what I’m thinking.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I mean it's not a big deal if i'm limmed here. Hopefully Momrangal will just re-evaluate and actually vote Vaxkiller tommorow.
Like i said, if you guys manage to screw up a game with 4 conf!town you deserve some kind of award.

[Gamma Emerald]

the issue I have is I see no reason a serial killer would holster so many nights, meanwhile a vigilante would have decent reason to
but the vigilante I presume we have is still not claiming
and once that vigilante does claim we're in a mechwin situation

so really whoever that is just needs to step the fuck up ASAP

[Luca Blight]

I know Norwegian’s play well enough to say with 100% certainty he is Town here.

I’m still busy but will catch-up in a few hours.

[Andresvmb]

I have a theory. I was re-reading D1 right. I’m like on page 50 or so. And one thing I noticed is that after Not_Mafia claims, and we have them on a claim that would eventually reveal them as Scum, we seem to move our attention to Hayker. And then, chkflip has this very interesting reaction, where they seem to insist that Not_Mafia be executed instead of being given a few days to resolve. And you know, I’ve been reading the way chkflip kept bringing up Hayker yesterday as an alternative, and thinking that it was probably Scum trying to set up a mis-elimination the next day once they’ve attained a position of trust when Titus flips Town. But if Hayker was Town, wouldn’t chkflip have been cheering that switch? Like why seemingly throw a fit at the attention moving towards Hayker? Is it because it would have exposed a second Partner? And then of course they place their vote on Mom.

[Andresvmb]

Anyway, D1 for Vax is just simply horrendous, looking back.

So yeah, this is what I’m doing. I’ll finish reading overnight.

VOTE: Vax

[Andresvmb]

And then when Mom isn’t gathering any momentum, they vote plus. plus has obviously flipped Town and Mom is for sure Town. I think this sequence means that Hayker needs to be examined with real care.

[Andresvmb]

^that’s chkflip on D1.

[Andresvmb]

compete (v.)

1610s, " to enter or be put in rivalry with," from French

compéter

"be in rivalry with" (14c.), or directly from Late Latin

competere

"strive in common, strive after something in company with or together," in classical Latin "to meet or come together; agree or coincide; to be qualified," from

com

"with, together" (see

com-

) +

petere

"to strive, seek, fall upon, rush at, attack" (from PIE root

*pet-

"to rush, to fly").

According to OED, rare 17c., revived from late 18c. in sense "to strive (alongside another) for the attainment of something" and regarded early 19c. in Britain as a Scottish or American word. Market sense is from 1840s (perhaps a back-formation from

competition

); athletics sense attested by 1857. Intransitive use is by 1974. Related:

Competed; competing

.

Official Votecount 1.15

Hayker (7): quiet, NorwegianboyEE, Rannygazoo, Andresvmb, BBMolla, Bypasser Catcher, Gamma Emerald

[E-4]

Not_Mafia (5): Nero Cain, Norfolk Boy1, MiniMegabyte, Binatog13, DrippingGoofball
PlusJOYED (3): Titus, Luca Blight, chkflip
Titus (1): PlusJOYED
MiniMegabyte (1): Vaxkiller
NorwegianboyEE (1): Not_Mafia
Andresvmb (1): Momrangal

Not Voting (1): Hayker

With 20 players alive, it takes 11 votes to achieve an elimination.

Day 1 will end in (expired on 2021-01-16 23:15:00).

If my theory about Hayker holds up, basically all of the Scum are not on the Hayker/Not_Mafia wagons here. And that would be plenty catastrophic for Scum. I can see why there was so much insistence by certain players not to get near it.

[Andresvmb]

VOTE: Nero Cain

I'll give you my vote for now.

After Hayker had gathered a lot of momentum and was starting to seem inevitable, chkflip voted there. But at the first sign that Nero was a viable wagon (after showing some skepticism towards it), chkflip swings away from it after votes from Norwegian and Gamma. We know Gamma is Town, and I’m starting to think that Scum probably doesn’t want to rock the boat that hard since the deadline is approaching and swinging the vote towards Town at that stage probably produces too many associatives, dooming the entire Team.

[Andresvmb]

So there you go. Hayker could *easily* be Scum. And chkflip was trying to hard distance from Hayker yesterday given the plan to shoot DGB. Because once DGB flips Town, frankly chkflip becomes almost obvious Scum. So there was some planning going on there, and I’m not so sure it can be trusted.

[Andresvmb]

If there’s a deep Scum here, it is in fact probably Luca.

[Andresvmb]

Anyway, I might just be going crazy who knows.