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Posted: Thu Dec 22, 2005 5:42 pm
by BabyJesus
Shiryu wrote:I'm thinking more along the lines that you are limited in some other way.
such as? why would a serial killer have limited/restricted kills? Doesn't that defeat the purpose of being scum/sk if you can't kill off the others?

Posted: Fri Dec 23, 2005 4:41 am
by Shiryu
Ok ok! Restricted, not limited! I say it would be to balance out the fact that your kills efectively end the day.

Ok, say I accept your arguments for a moment. I recall you being pretty sure that CA was a couple of pages back. Why was that again? Why him over MoS?

Posted: Fri Dec 23, 2005 5:15 am
by Commodore Amazing
Shiryu, we're looking at really unlikely scenarios for all four of us to be scum

1 - If I'm scum, it means that I didn't kill Shiryu last night after he had an innocent investigation on me, and no innocent investigation on BJ. I would have also known that there was no doctor.

2 - If MoS is scum, it means I'm not scum, and I protected MoS to protect myself. This means that MoS's ability is pretty confirmed, but it's possible he has reflection as well as being scum.

3 - BJ is almost certainly not scum. He was killed night one, and a day-kill power would be way too good in the hands of the scum. It's possible he's SK, but then why doesn't he just keep telling and preventing himself from getting lynched? We've seen no pattern from BJ's day-kills.

4 - If Shiryu is scum, he must have staged his fight with Rainbow before we lynched Rainbow.

I think BJ thought I was scum just because I was going after him, and everyone else looked pretty clear. We hadn't yet realized that I could have just killed you and got MoS to go along with me if I were scum.

Posted: Fri Dec 23, 2005 5:51 am
by BabyJesus
Shiryu wrote:Ok ok! Restricted, not limited! I say it would be to balance out the fact that your kills efectively end the day.

Ok, say I accept your arguments for a moment. I recall you being pretty sure that CA was a couple of pages back. Why was that again? Why him over MoS?
Because I think it is either you or CA.

If CA - means he went with a no kill last night
If you - means you staged the whole thing with Rainbow Brite earlier in game.

I have to ask myself which is more likely.

Posted: Fri Dec 23, 2005 5:54 am
by Commodore Amazing
@BJ - It's also possible that it's MoS. I can only confirm him so much.

And we know that scum have at least some power. Remember when Rainbow died, she did a wog or something.

Posted: Fri Dec 23, 2005 4:40 pm
by BabyJesus
Commodore Amazing wrote:@BJ - It's also possible that it's MoS. I can only confirm him so much. .
true. I've said that....would require him also though to either 1) also be a role reflector, or 2) Have just happened to submit a no kill last night when you did the only action that would allow for a possible block.


Seems unlikely to me at this point. Although personally I think we shold have lynched MoS long ago given his fishy role claim so it wouldn't come down to end game like this.

Posted: Sat Dec 24, 2005 8:28 am
by Shiryu
Hmmm, there's also the possibility that CA might be a SK, but I just don't see that going with his rolename.

Ok, new train of thought: Assume Rainbow Brite was indeed the godfather. MoS is either a scum henchman, or who he says he is. If he is scum, he still has the ability he claims to have, since I did get an innocent result on him (granted, this could have been because of something else; I just can't imagine what right now), and it can't be because he's godfather, since Rainbow already had that role. I don't really see a reason to vote him off either way: CA can just use the power to his advantage to protect himself. That or he's pro-town. Ok, so maybe this wasn't as new as I hoped, I just included Rainbow being godfather into the mix.

Again, I believe CA to be pro-town, so from my point of view, BJ is the man to lynch today.

I also just thought of an alternative: We could just vote no lynch, go into the night with the 4 of us so that the game will still continue tomorrow, and just see what happens at night. CA would, of course, pretty much choose who gets to live, if one of us is indeed scum.

Posted: Sat Dec 24, 2005 10:03 am
by BabyJesus
Shiryu wrote: Again, I believe CA to be pro-town, so from my point of view, BJ is the man to lynch today..
the fact you keep saying this, when there is ZERO chance I am regular scum, and a very small chance I am SK, and the best you can come up with is a "we think there might be a restriction we can't figure out" isn't making you look pro-town.

Posted: Sat Dec 24, 2005 11:46 am
by Shiryu
I don't believe you to be scum either, BJ. And there is a good chance that MoS is scum instead. The thing is, I believe MoS DOES have the reflector ability, regardless of if he is scum or not, which is why I see it convenient that he and CA remain alive for the night. Since I've noticed people are usually against voting no lynch, that's why I believe you to be our best option.

Posted: Sat Dec 24, 2005 1:38 pm
by BabyJesus
Shiryu wrote:I don't believe you to be scum either, BJ. And there is a good chance that MoS is scum instead. The thing is, I believe MoS DOES have the reflector ability, regardless of if he is scum or not, which is why I see it convenient that he and CA remain alive for the night. Since I've noticed people are usually against voting no lynch, that's why I believe you to be our best option.
So why not vote mos?

Posted: Sat Dec 24, 2005 2:33 pm
by Shiryu
Because the way I see it, MoS's ability both helps and hurts him. It protects him from investigations, and he can't be killed, while also allowing docs to protect themselves. Again, i see it convenient that MoS and CA remain alive for the night.

Posted: Sat Dec 24, 2005 3:00 pm
by BabyJesus
Shiryu wrote:Because the way I see it, MoS's ability both helps and hurts him. It protects him from investigations, and he can't be killed, while also allowing docs to protect themselves. Again, i see it convenient that MoS and CA remain alive for the night.
ok, so hypothetically, you lynch me, and all 3 of you live again tomorrow. Who do you lynch?

Posted: Sat Dec 24, 2005 3:17 pm
by Shiryu
I realize I'm narrowing my views here, but the way I see things, hypothetically, are as follow:

We lynch you. At this point, you might turn out SK and MoS might be innocent, so we win the game. If not, CA will have to make de decision of who to save: Me, or himself, by targeting MoS. The following day, if we are all still alive, I'd suggest lynching MoS.

Posted: Sun Dec 25, 2005 5:55 am
by Mastermind of Sin
Sorry I haven't been around much, I went home on break so I can't be online as much. Just one quick question I had, but where was Shiryu's name claim confirmed other than not being counterclaimed? I don't remember Shiryu dying yet...

Posted: Sun Dec 25, 2005 9:42 am
by Crola
Vote Count:

1 Shiryu
(BJ)
1 BJ
(Shiryu)

Happy Chanukah and Merry Christmas!
Also, I've been asked a few times what happens when one scum is left with one townie. If this is the case, the scum wins since this is common game dynamics. It does not matter if your role says "I have a magic bullet that automatically lets me win at any time". If you're stuck with scum, you're done.

Posted: Sun Dec 25, 2005 11:09 am
by BabyJesus
Shiryu wrote:I realize I'm narrowing my views here, but the way I see things, hypothetically, are as follow:

We lynch you. At this point, you might turn out SK and MoS might be innocent, so we win the game. If not, CA will have to make de decision of who to save: Me, or himself, by targeting MoS. The following day, if we are all still alive, I'd suggest lynching MoS.
so you think there is no way CA is scum?

Posted: Sun Dec 25, 2005 4:06 pm
by Shiryu
Oh, so no draw game, even if a self-protecting doc gets stuck with scum? Well that changes things somewhat.

To MoS: No, I've never died. I'm actually in the same spot you are, since my rolename has never actually been confirmed.

To CA: There is a chance that CA might be scum, but I've decided to ignore that. Out of possibilities of you being a SK, MoS being scum, and CA being scum, I find this last one to be the least likely, which is why I've decided that, as far as I'm concerned, he is indeed pro-town.

Posted: Sun Dec 25, 2005 5:54 pm
by BabyJesus
Shiryu wrote: To CA: There is a chance that CA might be scum, but I've decided to ignore that. Out of possibilities of you being a SK, MoS being scum, and CA being scum, I find this last one to be the least likely, which is why I've decided that, as far as I'm concerned, he is indeed pro-town.
why is that??

Posted: Sun Dec 25, 2005 5:55 pm
by BabyJesus
unvote

Posted: Tue Dec 27, 2005 12:07 pm
by Shiryu
Why do I find CA the least likely to be scum? It's simple, really: His rolename. He's been confirmed as Samantha, which I recall takes care of wheel chair guy in the game, so A) it makes sense that she'd be a doc, and more importantly (to me) B) I just don't see her role having an ability that would make my investigation result be innacurate. Something that can't be said for either you or MoS.

Posted: Wed Dec 28, 2005 6:33 pm
by BabyJesus
so....

Posted: Thu Dec 29, 2005 4:49 am
by Mastermind of Sin
In addition, it makes sense for us to have a doc, unless the reanimator role was to be the replacement for having a doc.

Posted: Thu Dec 29, 2005 5:44 am
by Commodore Amazing
:? It's worth noting that even though BJ and I both had our votes on Shiryu a while ago, MoS didn't swoop in for the lynch. This doesn't clear him, but it helps.

He would be looking at a 50-50 chance of winning if he came in for that lynch; he'd have to guess which person I'd try to protect: myself or BJ.

Posted: Fri Dec 30, 2005 10:48 am
by Shiryu
So yeah, the way I see it, our best moves for today are:

1) Lynch CA, for the reasons I've already stated.

2) Lynch me. Looking at things from your point of view, I'm sort of in the same position as BJ, only a bit worse, since my rolename was never confirmed. Lynching either me or BJ both fall on my assumptions that CA is pro-town, and that MoS has his ability, regardless of what side he's playing. Also worth noting is that, assuming BJ is telling the truth, his role has also turned useless, same as mine.

3) And what would you guys say to a no lynch? I'd like to get your input on this, rather than outright suggesting it, since if I were scum, it would most certainly benefit me. Guess asking about it also looks scummy, but I honestly think it might be an alternative.

Posted: Sat Dec 31, 2005 3:18 am
by Crola
Vote Count:

1 BJ
(Shiryu)