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Cephrir - 2 (BeautyAndTheBeast, fuzzybutternut)
Red Ryu - 1 (Oversoul)
Nachomamma8 - 1 (Red Ryu)
EddieFenix - 1 (Bacde)

Not Voting - 12 (Mac, DLG, Thor665, Syryana, Desperado, Baby Spice, Slandaar, Seanald, ActionDan, Rondar, Amethyst Kitty, ArcAngel9)

Wow HD thanks for telling me I'm actually in this now :P
Haven't read anything because yeah, so idk if I even wanna read or if I should just go annoy HD about what has even happened.
I guess I might read a bit. Also I haven't spoken to HD yet :P

~Pertayter

Okay I only read from page 10-15 because everything kinda went over my head but I support HD's B&B vote but not for the reasons that I read (don't ask me what my reasons are either, it's mainly gut :P).
Also AA is pretty much town.
Everything else kinda went over my head. I'm probably just going to watch a bit from the sidelines as the game goes on before I really step in. Also HD is totes crampin mah style.

Urgh, smileys :facepalm:

~Pertayter

I should really check my posts just to make sure there aren't any duplicate sentences in them next time :/
What is this OS wagon and why does it still exist (I just read him in ISO btw)?
So yeah I'm kinda bored of reading already also I should really start checking my posts to make sure there aren't any duplicate sentences in them next time :/

~Pertayter

In post 344, Bulbazak wrote: I suggest watching this wagon closely, as I can see scum pushing it hard.

Thanks for the advice.

In post 459, Bulbazak wrote: Eddie, this is my one and only suggestion, and only because I know you, but I suggest you check out Majiffy's meta before you proceed with this line of reasoning, otherwise you're going to get steamrolled.

Q1: Scum will push the Majiffy wagon.
Q2: Eddie don't push the Majiffy wagon unless you are sure as you are going to be steamrolled!

Could be scum.

Could be.

Trying to catch up. Still a few pages behind.

what a fucking amount of posts.

Can someone tell me if fuzzy is town because I always read him as scum, and I am continuing that trend in this game. the guy has posted nothing of content that I can remember. That's par for the course.

Slandaar (I think) and Thor are likely town. First is meta based, second is just the feeling I get from his early posts.

Wrt to Nero no one seems to be realising you can't have post restrictions in normal games, such as this.

not liking AK for 428. FoS Ceph when fuzzy posted the silence quote? Ceph was being sensible about it, one of the few who recognised the above. If you were going to fos Ceph for it then fuzzy should be there too.

Fuzzy looks town as of right now. I could be wrong, but I'm not going to argue with a gut feel.

When Fuzzy is scum he tries to do pro-town things to look pro-town, but when he's town he doesn't really give a shit how his posts look.

Well;

You have to keep in mind I have a gut town feel on him. So of course I wouldn't vote or even FoS due to that. Ceph was looking like he was trying to fish so I called him out on it.

can you point which posts looked like fishing from Ceph, thanks.

I already went over it in prior posts. I did happen to mistake 'PR' for Power Role and not Post Restriction.

are we just lynching OS because its OS or is there a better reason?

AP is awesome. <3
(I TOLD him he didn't have to make the fancy votecount, and that I'd do it come morning, but he's an overachiever. )

Anyway, if you read mod's isos, you really should be doing a double iso on mastin2 and AP, but juuuuuuust in case you're doing one only on me, AP's votecount is up here.


Also, edited votecounts into 425 and 450, quoted below:





If you find these to be annoying, then I will stop.

I'm an under

In post 482, Amethyst Kitty wrote:Fuzzy looks town as of right now. I could be wrong, but I'm not going to argue with a gut feel.

When Fuzzy is scum he tries to do pro-town things to look pro-town, but when he's town he doesn't really give a shit how his posts look.

Well;

You have to keep in mind I have a gut town feel on him. So of course I wouldn't vote or even FoS due to that. Ceph was looking like he was trying to fish so I called him out on it.

when did you play against scum fuzzy?

you know this mafia game has all of the ingredients to make it a personal hell for me but so far it isn't that bad

In post 224, BeautyAndTheBeast wrote:around p5. "how", it was the way that rofl reacted to majiffy (didn't I already explain this?). the replace out is null, I don't think it is alignment indicative. rofl looked town to me cos of how he reacted not because he got all dramatic and went ahead and replaced out.

Alright, that makes sense. In particular, I was curious about your post 114. I was trying to figure out why you were extending the olive branch to roflcopter. It makes sense if you were already leaning Town on him.

In post 299, BeautyAndTheBeast wrote:

Perpetuating?

I didn't see anything scummy, ergo I didn't act. When I did see something scummy, I did act. How is that in any form

perpetuating?

Consider yourself officially on my shitlist.

Yes, . Your first 11 posts were all bullshit banter. That means you were keeping the pre-game stuff non-game related. Perpetuating it, even. The question was why you shifted gears when someone else changed the tenor of the conversation.

You didn't see anything scummy, fine. But, your posts weren't designed to find anything scummy, either. So, again, I ask, why did you shift your style when someone else changed the game environment?

In post 299, BeautyAndTheBeast wrote:Why are you trying to superimpose scumminess onto my play? You'll note the parenthetical word - presumably - in the quote. From my POV, he was calling me scum for voting Cephrir.

Sure, I noted your use of the word presumably. I wasn't directly involved in the conversation, so it may have been easier for me to see the connections after the fact, but your interpretation struck me because you had the cause and effect reversed. Your later post 105 makes me believe you really were just confused, not intentionally misconstruing the chain of events.

All things considered, I think you're slot isn't scum. The answers both of your heads gave regarding potential scum motivation in your posts seem consistent with a Town mindset much more than a scum agenda.

Your Cephrir push is weak. His suspicions towards your slot make sense from a Town point-of-view. Couple that with the following:

In post 401, Cephrir wrote:Since not everyone in the game is tunneling me, you're gonna have to actually debunk my arguments rather than laugh at them. Or, just keep standing by yourself in a field yelling about how I'm scum. That's fine too.

This demonstrates a belief in the things he's saying and I can totally see where someone with a Town role PM would react this way to your cutesy derision. And:

In post 408, Cephrir wrote:I'm gonna do my best to ignore you for a few pages, as I think I've made my position clear enough and I'm sick of arguing about exact wording and how arguments argued with arguments on arguments.

On Ryu: My initial reaction was agreement with HD (that Ryu had voted Thor arbitrarily for what he himself claimed was a dumbtell), but then I went back and read it and the posts after that one were better.

This reads significantly more like Town fed up with an argument that had spiralled way out of original context than it does like a scum retreating from a fight they feel they've lost. Plus, the double check on Red Ryu vs Thor665 seems to indicate someone who is interested in finding things out, not just casting aspersions where convenient.

tl;dr
BeautyAndTheBeast is likely town and needs to get over the push on someone else (Cephrir) who is likely Town.

In post 317, Amethyst Kitty wrote:Uh, DlG, when Mara gets back.. You will have an answer to 199 as we have some unsure people that we want to poke at.
Although, the first one was a joke. I'm not sure why you are taking it seriously.
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The Mollie/Jiffy might be town. Mollie part feels town to me at the moment.

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I'm not sure what to make of AA9 well the wagon on OS is fast and might be a QL. It's just off because I don't feel as if she's looking for scum.

AA who's your biggest scum read and your biggest town read?

Me missing the joke is probably attributable to tone deafness on my part. I'm not part of the clique, so the inside jokes may go over my head.

I'm still curious about how you can needle at the pirate mollie head of BeautyAndTheBeast for ignoring your question, and at the same time declare you intend to leave BeautyAndTheBeast alone in lieu of better targets.

I pretty much agree with you on BeautyAndTheBeast being likely Town, and agree with your assessment of ArcAngel9. Hey, since I'm Town, and we agree, you must be Town, too. Just ask Beast.

Do you have enough experience playing with ArcAngel9 to say whether this is unusual play for her? Because, I sense she's more part of the group of players familiar to each other. I'd like to know if you think she's just coming across as scummy as a natural part of her playstyle/personality.

In post 356, Red Ryu wrote:Being town does not equal doing the smart thing nor that they have the right idea.

Yeah, this is dated, and all, especially since I no longer believe you're scum. My original problem was that calling someone "dumb Town" is practically guaranteed to make that player less likely to want to be cooperative with you, and Town cohesion can be a powerful weapon. Making Town cohesion more difficult serves a scum agenda. Plus, by casting another player as dumb, you send a signal that their posts should be ignored. And, regardless of my personal assessment of someone's abilities/intelligence, if I think they're Town, I want their opinion heard, not ignored. I may not agree with them, and I'll discuss with them why, but shoving them aside seems contrary to working towards a Town win.

In post 416, Red Ryu wrote:Om is saying some of the dumbest things known to man, their posts on B&B are atrocious.

Is this another "dumb Town" read? I can't really tell, although I don't believe that's what you meant. I would appreciate you explaining some of what you find atrocious.

I really don't think Nachomamma8 is very likely scum at this juncture. Seems to me he's demonstrating a desire to make the game more difficult for scum through advocating the mass claim (my personal opinion is that early mass claims are functionally better for Town given that site meta so heavily discourages it, and scum get to hide behind "OMG SAVE THE PR'S", and scum aren't prepared for it. Forcing people to lock into a claim early takes away much of the ability of scum to craft a claim later when more is on the line. Well, plus, I derped a LYLO because of a fake claim that I believed and wouldn't have been possible to foresee that it would be beneficial if forced out early.). And, while Nachomamma8 hasn't really stressed this point, there was something significantly scummy about Oversoul's claim. That was the fact that he said he was planning to claim, but didn't when he made his first post. Then, after CrashtextDummie brought up the mass-claim, Oversoul took the easy "no way, man!" route, but then offererd his own claim up and said CrashTextDummie's idea had nothing to do with him claiming. So, Nachomamma8 pushing the Oversoul wagon seems to come from a Town motivated mind set, to me.

You got any kind of a read towards ArcAngel9?

Alright, so, the Oversoul wagon is reasonable, and I have no qualms with 3 of the 4 voters. Bulbazak is the odd man out, due to Slandaar's Post 479. There is strange dissonance in those two posts from Bulbazak.

Hey, also, Bulbazak demonstrates absolutely no conviction in the Oversoul wagon, he's just content to sit there and hide in the crowd. I don't detect any sense that he believes he's actually voting scum.


Walk me through why you think Oversoul would throw out such a silly and useless claim as scum. I mean, I get the fact that the claim doesn't amount to anything worthwhile. Still, I can't quite imagine someone with a scum role PM reacting to the mass claim proposal by going, "No massclaim guys, but I'm gonna make a worthless fake claim". Seems like the scum response would be much more likely to just take the "pro-Town" line of "mass claim is baaaaaad, we've got to protect our PR's at all costs, no way I'm claiming anything!".

Also, why'd you have the early Town read on ArcAngel9, and is that still where you're at on her?

VOTE: ArcAngel9
I'm truly disturbed by the complete lack of scumhunting.

In post 217, ArcAngel9 wrote:

In post 203, CrashTextDummie wrote:We should massclaim. I am not joking.

Raise of hands, everyone in favor.

are you crazy.. No claims plz!!!!!!!!!!



Mastin2, I don't have any issue with HD hydra.

This is the kind of reaction I expect to a proposed massclaim from scum. Belittle the idea, but take no initiative to figure out why someone is proposing such an idea.

Also, rather than any commentary about any of the content that developed pre-game, or up to that point, an aside to the mod that served no purpose.

In post 227, ArcAngel9 wrote:^wow, that VCA is just mind blowing. Great job Mastin

This post, in particular, gave me scum feelings towards ArcAngel9. Absolutely no commentary on the game state, no attempts to figure anything out. Prefering to interact with the mod over interacting with the game and other players is not Town motivated.

Her later commentary that the Oversoul wagon is bad 'cuz it's soooo quick again betrays her lack of interest in figuring out anyone's alignment.

Yep, yep, this is scummy behavior from someone who got a scum role PM. Let's lynch her.

In post 491, DLG wrote:

In post 317, Amethyst Kitty wrote:Uh, DlG, when Mara gets back.. You will have an answer to 199 as we have some unsure people that we want to poke at.
Although, the first one was a joke. I'm not sure why you are taking it seriously.
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The Mollie/Jiffy might be town. Mollie part feels town to me at the moment.

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I'm not sure what to make of AA9 well the wagon on OS is fast and might be a QL. It's just off because I don't feel as if she's looking for scum.

AA who's your biggest scum read and your biggest town read?

Me missing the joke is probably attributable to tone deafness on my part. I'm not part of the clique, so the inside jokes may go over my head.

I'm still curious about how you can needle at the pirate mollie head of BeautyAndTheBeast for ignoring your question, and at the same time declare you intend to leave BeautyAndTheBeast alone in lieu of better targets.

I pretty much agree with you on BeautyAndTheBeast being likely Town, and agree with your assessment of ArcAngel9. Hey, since I'm Town, and we agree, you must be Town, too.

Just ask Beast

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Do you have enough experience playing with ArcAngel9 to say whether this is unusual play for her? Because, I sense she's more part of the group of players familiar to each other. I'd like to know if you think she's just coming across as scummy as a natural part of her playstyle/personality.

lol

you're scum aren't you

In post 473, Nachomamma8 wrote:

In post 470, Red Ryu wrote:Your assuming again and showboat foresight that you even considered that he was town.

If I lynch him, it will be on his play today not his role.

This game constantly requires us to take leaps of faith and assume things. When you play, you assume there is a way to distinguish whether someone gets a role PM that says "you win with town" from "you win with scum". You assume that if you find scum, you will be able to convince people to get them lynched. You assume scum will do this, you assume that people will do that, you assume that this game is possible for your side to win. You back up these assumptions with evidence. I making an assumption about the setup that SHOULD be obvious to most of you, Oversoul is claiming something that is completely useless to us. What use is a role whose information will be revealed by Day 2 (or even by Day 3 if someone gets lucky)?

But again.

This all comes back to the key problem and one I want to lynch you over because you're making it obvious you're not trying to read OverSoul, you're trying to lynch him for claiming Informed Townie.

You say scum safe claim, but you lack anything to show he is scum.

Ignore the claim, what did he do today that is worth a vote outside of that? Myself and others aren't going to vote him for it.

red, nacho is likely town

will you plz look at dlg's posts when there are a couple of flips

or better yet

read what he is saying now and see if there is anything to it. to me it looked like he was wanting to for sure wrangle a town read from us before placing us in his town pile

In post 492, DLG wrote:You got any kind of a read towards ArcAngel9?

Null, I don't like Arc's posts but I don't know enough about him right now.

I think he is newer to mafia, since his posts aren't really adding too much but I'm not sure of his intent.

He needs to post more.

In post 497, BeautyAndTheBeast wrote:red, nacho is likely town

will you plz look at dlg's posts when there are a couple of flips

or better yet

read what he is saying now and see if there is anything to it. to me it looked like he was wanting to for sure wrangle a town read from us before placing us in his town pile

I'll reread in ISO style.

Thoughts on Om?