Posted: Tue May 29, 2012 1:36 am
Junpei, why not add a 1-shot vig for more mayhem and 2 shots?
Two vigs, 3 mafia, 13p game, cops, NK immunity, cop immunity. Easiest shot an SK will ever have at a win.
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Posted: Tue May 29, 2012 1:44 am
Because then I can't afford (3) Vigilante and grab the cop immunity which is necessary for this. Trading a full vig for a one-shot is silly
Two vigs, 3 mafia, 13p game, cops, NK immunity, cop immunity. Easiest shot an SK will ever have at a win.
Two vigs, 3 mafia, 13p game, cops, NK immunity, cop immunity. Easiest shot an SK will ever have at a win.
Posted: Tue May 29, 2012 1:46 am
Ohhh, I forgot that you only get 10 points.
Posted: Tue May 29, 2012 4:58 am
Junpei's setup would suck for groupscum, but I'm not sure if the SK is balanced against the town in it.
Posted: Tue May 29, 2012 7:33 am
↑ vijay2vasandani wrote:Just a balanced no flip game really XD
For a no-flip game, I suggest that you make it 11:2. No reveal is hilariously scumsided, IMO.
For possible roles:
1 town living rolecop
1 town dead alignment and role cop
1 town (x-shot?) vig
1 town gunsmith
1 town bodyguard
6 VTs
1 scum dead rolecop
1 scum living rolecop
In other news, Hoopla's game is freaking awesome. Just saying.
Posted: Tue May 29, 2012 10:25 am
↑ callforjudgement wrote:Junpei's setup would suck for groupscum, but I'm not sure if the SK is balanced against the town in it.
The SK is overpowered.
Posted: Tue May 29, 2012 11:24 am
Not a bad option. I wasn't expecting to get the ratios perfect the first time around - so I expect to change things around to minimise any glaringly advantageous selections. Perhaps the setup is trying to do too much and I need to reduce the variables.
Posted: Wed May 30, 2012 8:54 am
Posted: Thu May 31, 2012 7:44 am
↑ Hoopla wrote:Bank 1:
(1) Innocent Child (PM version)
(1) Even Night Cop
(2) Odd Night Cop
(2) 1-Shot Cop
(3) Cop, Godfather
(3) Cop, Roleblocker
(3) 2x Town Masons
(4) FBI Agent (gets guilty only on SK)
(4) Cop, Even Night Cop, Roleblocker
(4) Cop, Odd Night Cop, Godfather
2 points - SK receives 1-Shot Commute (cannot kill and commute on same night)
3 points - SK receives 1-Shot Bulletproof
5 points - SK receives Unlimited Bulletproof
-Why is 1-Shot and Odd Night cops 2, but Even is 1?
-Why is Cop, Odd Night Cop, Godfather 4 points, but actually selecting them individually is five?
Posted: Thu May 31, 2012 7:48 am
Well Odd night gets a result on Night 1, as does 1-shot. Even night has to live to Day 3 to get a meaningful result, so it's weaker.
Posted: Thu May 31, 2012 7:50 am
(2) 1-Shot Cop
(3) 2x Town Masons
(3) 2x Town Masons
(1) Cop Enabler
(1) PGO
(1) PGO
(3) Vigilante
vs. SK with Unlimited Bulletproof and Cop Immunity
Aw yeah Survivor
I'd still much rather put a 1-Shot Cop against myself then an Even cop who has potential for multiple reports.
Edit: Two scum roles useless here, but whatever, don't have time to fix.
Posted: Thu May 31, 2012 8:16 am
He would have to live until Day 5 to get 2 reports. Without being killed OR ran up. Optimal play for the even night cop is probably to claim Day 3 with a result, really.
Posted: Thu May 31, 2012 3:06 pm
Wait, don't SKs need shots to win at endgame and achieve their last man standing wincin?
Posted: Thu May 31, 2012 3:10 pm
They strangle someone in the daylight or something.
Posted: Thu May 31, 2012 3:40 pm
Posted: Thu May 31, 2012 5:09 pm
Posted: Thu May 31, 2012 8:53 pm
Yeah but combo meals have no downsides. This combo means you don't get the 5 point bonus you'd normally get. It's like getting the KFC combo meal for a cheaper price, but they take a chicken away or something.
Posted: Thu May 31, 2012 9:52 pm
Sorry to bring this up again in the midst discussion of an AWESOME setup, but I figured how to protect from massclaims and protect against some of the town bias of it. May have swung back to scumsided, though. We'll see.
Posted: Thu May 31, 2012 9:56 pm
^ I like.
Posted: Thu May 31, 2012 10:04 pm
Could possibly be shifted to have 4 sightless oracles and some actual VTs/Powerroles in case of it being scumsided. As is, the job for the scum is to look as townish as possible while offing the oracles, so that there won't be enough confirmed town to stop them come LyLo.
Posted: Thu May 31, 2012 11:09 pm
In Opens like that you need to watch out for VTs becoming a named role though. Best to avoid them.
Posted: Thu May 31, 2012 11:15 pm
Fair enough, but such a thing would be useful if it is indeed scumsided.
Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2012 12:40 am
Seems like the scum are at a distinct disadvantage. They have no means to tell who is an oracle which reveals someone or not, it's just a crapshoot as far as roles go. There's no strategy.
Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2012 1:39 am
I was thinking that the strategy would be to appear townish enough to draw the investigations while killing off people who they suspect to be the true oracles, but then again that means nothing, given said oracles don't know who they are. How about moving things around *even more* like so:
Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2012 1:44 am
Other than the fact that that's a lot of confirmed towns flying around, seems to have a similar issue. No point n cornering since theres 2 random oracles though and so that's some information.
I guess I just don't know how I feel about hidden cop roles in the game; seems like a larger counterbalance is needed if that's what you're after. Or some other crafted mechanic.
I guess I just don't know how I feel about hidden cop roles in the game; seems like a larger counterbalance is needed if that's what you're after. Or some other crafted mechanic.