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Khelvaster: I think you are missing the point. Scum don't care about vanilla players, if they see somebody claim a cop (for example) they will immediately go after that cop (or a doctor) the less the scum know about who the power roles, the better for the town. Does that make sense? The question that I have is why are you so interested in roles right now?
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If we did go and have all vanilla's claim, the scum could choose to go for the power roles, or pick off the confirmed town.
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Also, the town doesn't have any reason to know who else has power roles. Knowing who the cop is miiiiiight be useful for picking off scum, but a fake roleclaim could then just as easily screw the town over. And in any case, the game started in day, so knowing who the cop is wouldn't be useful anyway.
And I forgot to do this last post, so...
And I forgot to do this last post, so...
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I was interested in roles because of open 31, where a mass roleclaim gave the town a 66% chance of winning. I figure that in a role-rich game, a mass roleclaim is beneficial, while in a role-poor game, a mass roleclaim is harmful.
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No =(Khelvaster wrote:Wtf--Cavane, Streeflo, GIVE SOME DECENT REASONS FOR VOTING ME!
It's page 2, it doesn't even matter. You're right in saying it was a joke. Mostly.Khelvaster wrote: That said,Vote: Streeflo. Joking around about randomly BWing people and then voting using random BW as an excuse is not good.
Plus, bandwagons are fun.
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I have to disagree with Streeflo and Mert here. Bandwagons aren't fun, let's say you bandwagon someone until he's at lynch -4. Then one extra townie votes him, because he thinks "one extra vote doesn't hurt". Then another townie does the same thing. Then he's at lynch -2, and then 2 anti-towns could jump on him to lynch him, or even another pro-town might do so. If that person is lynched right at the start of the day, town has no information at all.
Of course, if the bandwagon is on someone antitown, this all doesn't matter.
Khelvaster: even if you were right, why would you propose this plan so soon. Day 1 mass roleclaims are never good, else it would have been done in many other games too. In endgame, it might be useful.
Of course, if the bandwagon is on someone antitown, this all doesn't matter.
Khelvaster: even if you were right, why would you propose this plan so soon. Day 1 mass roleclaims are never good, else it would have been done in many other games too. In endgame, it might be useful.
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Khevlaster -3- (Mert, Streeflo, Cavane)
Streeflo -2- (Xyzzy, Khevlaster)
SilverPhoenix -1- (YagamiLight)
Nekka-Lucifer -1- (Ezralite)
Not Voting- (Nekka-Lucifer, Lawrencelot, RyanSilverPhoenix, Somada)
With 12 alive it's 7 to lynch
Streeflo -2- (Xyzzy, Khevlaster)
SilverPhoenix -1- (YagamiLight)
Nekka-Lucifer -1- (Ezralite)
Not Voting- (Nekka-Lucifer, Lawrencelot, RyanSilverPhoenix, Somada)
With 12 alive it's 7 to lynch
Prods are on request, as usual, as well as pointing out vote count mistakes.
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ryan wrote:Vote: Streeflo
unvote; Vote: Ryan
Just....no. I don't ever, EVER, want to see someone post a two-word post consisting of a vote and a name. How could that post have possibly benefited us? It looks like the scum jumping on the bandwagon of someone who might be lynchable atm.
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^^^ LOL! I knew it would get reaction from somebody, really didn't figure it would be you though. (BTW, Streeflo now has 3 total votes, hardly in danger) I do find it funny that he wouldnt give you reasons for voting you YET you are defending him now, that's an interesting find.
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I'm with Khel, regardless of who ou voted for, a post with just the vote like that should never be used. Even with random votes people will post more.
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ryan wrote:^^^ LOL! I knew it would get reaction from somebody, really didn't figure it would be you though. (BTW, Streeflo now has 3 total votes, hardly in danger) I do find it funny that he wouldnt give you reasons for voting you YET you are defending him now, that's an interesting find.
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Sending out a vote with no reason, especially on person who's a potential bandwagon, is more scummy. Khel's vote on Streeflo looked to me like an OMGUS vote than anything else, but your vote, without any reason, could have some more sinister plan behind it. Even if you are town, without a reason there's no way the rest of the town could believe you.
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ORLY!!! Let's see how I just defended him.ryan wrote:^^^ LOL! I knew it would get reaction from somebody, really didn't figure it would be you though. (BTW, Streeflo now has 3 total votes, hardly in danger) I do find it funny that he wouldnt give you reasons for voting youYET you are defending him now,that's an interesting find.
*reads post 10 times*Khelvaster wrote:ryan wrote:Vote: Streeflounvote; Vote: Ryan
Just....no. I don't ever, EVER, want to see someone post a two-word post consisting of a vote and a name. How could that post have possibly benefited us? It looks like the scum jumping on the bandwagon of someone who might be lynchable atm.
I didn't explicitly defend streeflo in this post. I just said I will vote for him because he didn't give a reason for his vote--I didn't say I was sure he was scum. When you came and tried to hop on him with literally no reason, that was a somewhat more convincing scumtell than streeflo's weak vote.
Lag actually does exist in real life. For proof, look no further than Jesus: When he died, it took him three *days* to respawn.
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I sometimes simply vote without saying why in that post, for the record. I don't see anything wrong with what Ryan did, to be honest.
Sometimes one gets more information by letting your target work out why you're voting for them than you handing it to them on a plate. As long as it's not done throughout the game and is later backed up with the case that was not presented at the beginning, it can be a very useful tool in finding scum.
Sometimes one gets more information by letting your target work out why you're voting for them than you handing it to them on a plate. As long as it's not done throughout the game and is later backed up with the case that was not presented at the beginning, it can be a very useful tool in finding scum.
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Question: Why are we even voting Streeflo? He didn't do anything, did he? Did I miss something?
*Goes back and reads*
It is scummy to try and get a negative reaction from someone. That gets the blame off of them.
*Goes back and reads*
That is the only valid vote I could find, and it is not a good reason.Khelvaster wrote: That said,Vote: Streeflo. Joking around about randomly BWing people and then voting using random BW as an excuse is not good.
Ryan's vote was...well...somewhat uncalled for. I think Khelvaster's reaction was simply OMGUS and not trying to defend Streeflo. I didn't judge that reaction as scummy or anything. He felt you had no reason to vote for him, so he voted for you. Simple as that. Not the best way to handle it, but certainly a way to display his mistrust of you. So that is why...ryan wrote:Vote: Streeflo
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It is scummy to try and get a negative reaction from someone. That gets the blame off of them.
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What do you mean ryan, Khel
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Streeflo for that. I trying to build a case from nothing. FoS Ryan
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Yeah, but Streeflo gave that as his reason for voting, so Khel couldn't vote for him for having no reasons.
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Calling ryan scum is like calling oxygen a waste of precious hydrogen.
And Khelvaster is extremely scummy, but I don't think that's because he's scum. He's probably just being a total noob. However,
And Khelvaster is extremely scummy, but I don't think that's because he's scum. He's probably just being a total noob. However,
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I don't really mind voting someone without a reason.
I'm not altogether concerned about ryan's vote, although the reactions are quite interesting.
I'm not altogether concerned about ryan's vote, although the reactions are quite interesting.
But then we get two mafia lynches the next two daysLawrencelot wrote:I have to disagree with Streeflo and Mert here. Bandwagons aren't fun, let's say you bandwagon someone until he's at lynch -4. Then one extra townie votes him, because he thinks "one extra vote doesn't hurt". Then another townie does the same thing. Then he's at lynch -2, andthen 2 anti-towns could jump on him to lynch him, or even another pro-town might do so. If that person is lynched right at the start of the day, town has no information at all.
Of course, if the bandwagon is on someone antitown, this all doesn't matter.
Khelvaster: even if you were right, why would you propose this plan so soon. Day 1 mass roleclaims are never good, else it would have been done in many other games too. In endgame, it might be useful.
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Not if the mafia were already on the wagon, but in this example, yes. This example wasn't really good, let's keep it with: bandwagons are bad for town in general in my opinion, but there are exceptions.
About ryan's vote: nothing wrong with it, if he explains it later. Ryan defended himself in a not-scummy way, but now he still didn't tell us why you voted Streeflo. So, why did you vote Streeflo?
About ryan's vote: nothing wrong with it, if he explains it later. Ryan defended himself in a not-scummy way, but now he still didn't tell us why you voted Streeflo. So, why did you vote Streeflo?
Why wouldn't he jump on your wagon then?Khel wrote:It looks like the scum jumping on the bandwagon of someone who might be lynchable atm.
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