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In post 498, Greeting wrote:@

whiskey delta

From my perspective it looks like everyone started ganging up on me one second after I went with the

furtive glance

wagon in 441. I gave him a chance to explain himself and he didn't take it, his reads became erratic and chaotic towards the end. Suffice it to say, I went from being his biggest townread to being his biggest scumread. And everyone just went in for the ride, yourself,

Alianna

,

72offsuit

. If your biggest argument is that you have a hunch then sorry to disappoint, but your hunch is wrong.

In post 498, Greeting wrote:If you're seeking to blame me for yesterday's miselim, Day 1 was ending, I didn't feel like going after

hutmeil

and the other two wagons were

Alianna

and

furtive glance

. I picked the scummier one and I'm not sorry for that. If I'm scum then why did all of you follow when I was supposedly miseliminating a townie? Sounds like someone who jumped on that wagon after me knew what was coming (aka they were scum) and were hoping to pin the miselimination on me.

In post 498, Greeting wrote:As for your theory, I would say that there's a higher chance that it's true than not overall, if we take all mafia games played on this site. In most games I've played the scums have tended to spread their votes amongst wagons. Which would indeed mean that there is one scum in {

whiskey delta

,

Alianna

,

Greeting

,

hutmeil

} and the other would be in {

Malakittens

,

Tidus of the X

and

72offsuit

}.

The maths in my head said it's

Alianna

and

72offsuit

. But I don't really think that

Alianna

and

72offsuit

would be paired.

72offsuit

seemed to be quite confident to bet his money on the

Alianna

wagon, he started it, went through with it and did not hesitate to try and have her chopped down.

If

Malakittens

is scum then that means she has really upped her scum game and she deserves to win, because I kinda have a green town check on her which I don't feel like looking back at.

Who's left from that three?

Tidus of the X

. Eh, could be.

I will need to think deeper tomorrow, because I also have a feeling that if

Alianna

is scum, and I certainly have a feeling that she might be, then her partner was on the

furtive glance

wagon to save her, because losing a fellow scum Day 1 is something the scums usually can't afford. Which would mean that this game is in the minority of games where all scums are to be found in one wagon and {

Malakittens

,

Tidus of the X

and

72offsuit

} are all towncleared. This is also a mental note to myself to remember where to pick up my thoughts from when I open this thread tomorrow.

In post 492, whiskey delta wrote:

Roden

- (whiskey delta), hutmeil, Greeting,

FG

, Alianna

furtiveglance

-

Roden

, hutmeil, Greeting, Alianna, WD

There's at least one scum between hutmeil, Greeting, Alianna, and me. The alternative means both scum are within Tidus, malakittens, and 72.

Where does everyone stand on this? Do you think the scum are split between the two groups? Both in one group?

In post 502, Tidus of the X wrote:I don't really know if Greeting is scum or not, he's been pretty active and contributed a bunch day one IIRC, but with everyone suddenly turning on him, I'm not so sure about it.

In post 503, Malakittens wrote:Sorry

I was so tired that morning that I screwed up the formatting

I still want to lim hutmeil. I was giving him the benefit of the doubt but now I just want
Him dead so

In post 456, whiskey delta wrote:Greeting fits that “active enough to not raise suspicion but still under the radar” description better imo.

They are either playing a super clean (albeit thus far incorrect) Town game or they are just scum and staying above the fray but still landing on wagons. Their interactions have been fairly minimal. The way they pop in, make a few reads, ask a few questions, drop a vote, and then are gone again is really unsettling to me.

In post 492, whiskey delta wrote:

Roden

- (whiskey delta), hutmeil, Greeting,

FG

, Alianna

furtiveglance

-

Roden

, hutmeil, Greeting, Alianna, WD

There's at least one scum between hutmeil, Greeting, Alianna, and me. The alternative means both scum are within Tidus, malakittens, and 72.

Where does everyone stand on this? Do you think the scum are split between the two groups? Both in one group?

In post 495, Malakittens wrote:VOTE: hutmeil

In post 503, Malakittens wrote:Sorry

I was so tired that morning that I screwed up the formatting

I still want to lim hutmeil. I was giving him the benefit of the doubt but now I just want
Him dead so

In post 506, whiskey delta wrote:So the more I think about the game the more I think an Alianna elim makes the most sense today.

I can’t get over how she was E-2 and still the FG wagon eventually took the lead. That has to be significant. If all three major D1 wagons were Town then we’re in trouble. If Alianna is scum her partner has to be within Greeting/Hutmeil/Mala who all voted to save her over FG.

Thoughts?

In post 505, whiskey delta wrote:

In post 502, Tidus of the X wrote:I don't really know if Greeting is scum or not, he's been pretty active and contributed a bunch day one IIRC, but with everyone suddenly turning on him, I'm not so sure about it.

Remember that at least two players amongst myself, Greeting, hutmeil, and Alianna are Town so still possible Greeting is. What do you think of the other three? How about Mala and 72?

In post 503, Malakittens wrote:Sorry

I was so tired that morning that I screwed up the formatting

I still want to lim hutmeil. I was giving him the benefit of the doubt but now I just want
Him dead so

Do you still see Greeting as Town? How would you know? It seems you two have some experience together so I am really curious to hear about it. Can you talk about why hutmeil and what a scum or town flip would do to your reads?

In post 501, whiskey delta wrote: It was a high stress time and every vote being laid was pivotal. I think scrutiny is fair, especially given that FG replied to you directly in 442. Depending on how you view Mala's 439 that makes your vote the one that tied the FG and Alianna wagons. I would say it is more than a hunch at the moment, but I am not totally convinced yet either. At least one of you, hutmeil, and Alianna must be Town so that is good to remember.

In post 439, Malakittens wrote:Ngl I don’t wanna elim alianna.

FG

This just stinks
Bc I really want one of 72 hut & Tidus sorted

I won’t be back before deadline most likely in going to sleep

In post 501, whiskey delta wrote: I agree that 72/Alianna does not make a likely pair. Considering Mala's vote was not counted, hutmeil and Alianna functioned as the tying and tiebreaking vote that pushed FG to E-1. There is definitely potential for hutmeil/Alianna in that lens.

Any perspective on how you arrived to your TR on Mala would be greatly appreciated.

In post 506, whiskey delta wrote:So the more I think about the game the more I think an Alianna elim makes the most sense today.

I can’t get over how she was E-2 and still the FG wagon eventually took the lead. That has to be significant. If all three major D1 wagons were Town then we’re in trouble. If Alianna is scum her partner has to be within Greeting/Hutmeil/Mala who all voted to save her over FG.

Thoughts?

In post 507, hutmeil wrote:

In post 492, whiskey delta wrote:

Roden

- (whiskey delta), hutmeil, Greeting,

FG

, Alianna

furtiveglance

-

Roden

, hutmeil, Greeting, Alianna, WD

There's at least one scum between hutmeil, Greeting, Alianna, and me. The alternative means both scum are within Tidus, malakittens, and 72.

Where does everyone stand on this? Do you think the scum are split between the two groups? Both in one group?

I don't really know. My scumdar was way off on Day 1. But if I have to rely on it again, it would be a combination of you (whiskey), Greeting, Tidus and 72off.

In post 507, hutmeil wrote:

In post 506, whiskey delta wrote:So the more I think about the game the more I think an Alianna elim makes the most sense today.

I can’t get over how she was E-2 and still the FG wagon eventually took the lead. That has to be significant. If all three major D1 wagons were Town then we’re in trouble. If Alianna is scum her partner has to be within Greeting/Hutmeil/Mala who all voted to save her over FG.

Thoughts?

That makes sense. However, you're on both wagons. You flipped from Alianna to FG. And you're the eliminating vote. Come to think of it, you're also on the Roden wagon.

In post 508, Tidus of the X wrote:

In post 505, whiskey delta wrote:

In post 502, Tidus of the X wrote:I don't really know if Greeting is scum or not, he's been pretty active and contributed a bunch day one IIRC, but with everyone suddenly turning on him, I'm not so sure about it.

Remember that at least two players amongst myself, Greeting, hutmeil, and Alianna are Town so still possible Greeting is. What do you think of the other three? How about Mala and 72?

I don't know about hutmeil or you much, but Alianna I feel could be scum. Mala could likely be scum for seemingly randomly focusing on a random player. Current town lean on 72offsuit.

In post 510, Greeting wrote:

In post 501, whiskey delta wrote:Any perspective on how you arrived to your TR on Mala would be greatly appreciated.

I have played a few games with

Malakittens

and my overall impression is that she's generally not a deepwolf. In the last game we played together, KTaNE, it became apparent to me that she just doesn't like playing as scum very much and doesn't try very hard if she rolls scum. If you're interested specifically at the moment when we were talking about deepwolves, you should look at the Day Phase in that game when

Mala

was eliminated (Day 3).

But now that you've pointed it out, she did in fact want to go after

furtive glance

and her vote just wasn't counted as valid.

In post 511, Greeting wrote:

In post 506, whiskey delta wrote:So the more I think about the game the more I think an Alianna elim makes the most sense today.

I can’t get over how she was E-2 and still the FG wagon eventually took the lead. That has to be significant. If all three major D1 wagons were Town then we’re in trouble. If Alianna is scum her partner has to be within Greeting/Hutmeil/Mala who all voted to save her over FG.

Thoughts?

Right now my money is on the scum team being

Alianna

+ someone on the

furtive glance

wagon. I know it's not me for sure and nothing else. I guess if we eliminate

Alianna

then we can put this theory to test. If she flips red, then her partner should be

hutmeil

(more likely) or

Malakittens

(less likely). If she flips green, then it's got to be some combo like

72offsuit

/

Tidus of the X

,

72offsuit

/

hutmeil

or

Tidus of the X

/

hutmeil

.

Or... it's you. What

hutmeil

said in 507 about you is actually right. I don't know if I should trust you either. You're clearly aspiring to be town leader, but your voting history isn't really better than mine and yet you're actively trying to throw me under the bus right now.

I'll wait for everyone to weigh in before I cast my vote. It's still only Day 2, but each vote is more valuable with every townie going down and we are not having another miselimination today.

In post 504, Alianna wrote:

In post 492, whiskey delta wrote:

Roden

- (whiskey delta), hutmeil, Greeting,

FG

, Alianna

furtiveglance

-

Roden

, hutmeil, Greeting, Alianna, WD

There's at least one scum between hutmeil, Greeting, Alianna, and me. The alternative means both scum are within Tidus, malakittens, and 72.

Where does everyone stand on this? Do you think the scum are split between the two groups? Both in one group?

I don't have the time or energy right now to analyze any of this, but a couple things to note. It's interesting that everyone was either on or off of both major wagons.
If we consider my wagon when it was at E-2...

Alianna - 72offsuit, whiskey delta,

furtiveglance

...then we see that Mala and Tidus were on none of those (Mala didn't vote D1 and Tidus stuck to his RVS vote) and whiskey was on all three.
Make of it what you will, I guess? I'll probably follow this up at some point but wanted to note this stuff now.

In post 410, whiskey delta wrote:I can’t with you anymore.

See you post game ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

In post 513, whiskey delta wrote:

In post 504, Alianna wrote:

In post 492, whiskey delta wrote:

Roden

- (whiskey delta), hutmeil, Greeting,

FG

, Alianna

furtiveglance

-

Roden

, hutmeil, Greeting, Alianna, WD

There's at least one scum between hutmeil, Greeting, Alianna, and me. The alternative means both scum are within Tidus, malakittens, and 72.

Where does everyone stand on this? Do you think the scum are split between the two groups? Both in one group?

I don't have the time or energy right now to analyze any of this, but a couple things to note. It's interesting that everyone was either on or off of both major wagons.
If we consider my wagon when it was at E-2...

Alianna - 72offsuit, whiskey delta,

furtiveglance

...then we see that Mala and Tidus were on none of those (Mala didn't vote D1 and Tidus stuck to his RVS vote) and whiskey was on all three.
Make of it what you will, I guess? I'll probably follow this up at some point but wanted to note this stuff now.

Even passing, throw away thoughts are better than just the summaries of events.

I wish I could go back to that time before Roden claimed Cop, when I had you at the top of my Town list for what I thought might have been the best post of the game up to that point, but I'm not there anymore. I want so badly to have read you correctly there, and to have been seen accordingly, but I can't underestimate anyone and I'm very bothered by how you were closer to elimination that close to deadline and FG still happened.

In post 512, whiskey delta wrote:

In post 507, hutmeil wrote:

In post 492, whiskey delta wrote:

Roden

- (whiskey delta), hutmeil, Greeting,

FG

, Alianna

furtiveglance

-

Roden

, hutmeil, Greeting, Alianna, WD

There's at least one scum between hutmeil, Greeting, Alianna, and me. The alternative means both scum are within Tidus, malakittens, and 72.

Where does everyone stand on this? Do you think the scum are split between the two groups? Both in one group?

I don't really know. My scumdar was way off on Day 1. But if I have to rely on it again, it would be a combination of you (whiskey), Greeting, Tidus and 72off.

Why not Alianna/Mala? Tidus did not vote on any of the wagons yesterday. Do you think that is more likely to be Town or scum?

In post 507, hutmeil wrote:

In post 506, whiskey delta wrote:So the more I think about the game the more I think an Alianna elim makes the most sense today.

I can’t get over how she was E-2 and still the FG wagon eventually took the lead. That has to be significant. If all three major D1 wagons were Town then we’re in trouble. If Alianna is scum her partner has to be within Greeting/Hutmeil/Mala who all voted to save her over FG.

Thoughts?

That makes sense. However, you're on both wagons. You flipped from Alianna to FG. And you're the eliminating vote. Come to think of it, you're also on the Roden wagon.

This is true, as were you, and exactly why we are having this conversation. It's extremely unlikely there isn't at least one scum in those who were on both Roden and FG wagons.

I switched to FG to hammer after waiting until almost the last minute, and no one else was around to do it. If you reread the end of D1 you will see my preferred elim was Alianna. Would you rather I have not hammered in that situation?

In post 508, Tidus of the X wrote:

In post 505, whiskey delta wrote:

In post 502, Tidus of the X wrote:I don't really know if Greeting is scum or not, he's been pretty active and contributed a bunch day one IIRC, but with everyone suddenly turning on him, I'm not so sure about it.

Remember that at least two players amongst myself, Greeting, hutmeil, and Alianna are Town so still possible Greeting is. What do you think of the other three? How about Mala and 72?

I don't know about hutmeil or you much, but Alianna I feel could be scum. Mala could likely be scum for seemingly randomly focusing on a random player. Current town lean on 72offsuit.

Is there a reason you didn't try voting anyone on D1?

In post 510, Greeting wrote:

In post 501, whiskey delta wrote:Any perspective on how you arrived to your TR on Mala would be greatly appreciated.

I have played a few games with

Malakittens

and my overall impression is that she's generally not a deepwolf. In the last game we played together, KTaNE, it became apparent to me that she just doesn't like playing as scum very much and doesn't try very hard if she rolls scum. If you're interested specifically at the moment when we were talking about deepwolves, you should look at the Day Phase in that game when

Mala

was eliminated (Day 3).

But now that you've pointed it out, she did in fact want to go after

furtive glance

and her vote just wasn't counted as valid.

I will have to check that out later, but greatly appreciated. Can you tell me what you think of 503?

In post 511, Greeting wrote:

In post 506, whiskey delta wrote:So the more I think about the game the more I think an Alianna elim makes the most sense today.

I can’t get over how she was E-2 and still the FG wagon eventually took the lead. That has to be significant. If all three major D1 wagons were Town then we’re in trouble. If Alianna is scum her partner has to be within Greeting/Hutmeil/Mala who all voted to save her over FG.

Thoughts?

Right now my money is on the scum team being

Alianna

+ someone on the

furtive glance

wagon. I know it's not me for sure and nothing else. I guess if we eliminate

Alianna

then we can put this theory to test. If she flips red, then her partner should be

hutmeil

(more likely) or

Malakittens

(less likely). If she flips green, then it's got to be some combo like

72offsuit

/

Tidus of the X

,

72offsuit

/

hutmeil

or

Tidus of the X

/

hutmeil

.

Or... it's you. What

hutmeil

said in 507 about you is actually right. I don't know if I should trust you either. You're clearly aspiring to be town leader, but your voting history isn't really better than mine and yet you're actively trying to throw me under the bus right now.

I'll wait for everyone to weigh in before I cast my vote. It's still only Day 2, but each vote is more valuable with every townie going down and we are not having another miselimination today.

[Alianna/Hutmeil] as the solve does make ~sense for VCA reasons but I am paranoid is too simple.

I'll ask you the same question irt Tidus - what do you think not casting a serious vote D1 says about their alignment?

You should know if you are Town that my voting history doesn't make me scum, since it matches yours. If anything, I might say I have a point in my favor if Alianna flips red.

At the moment my vote is working accordingly, as this is the most you have talked to me directly all game. There is still plenty of time, but I agree that today is a pivotal phase. I do not want to elim wrong again.

In post 516, Tidus of the X wrote: (How do i quote only one part of a post)

In post 515, Alianna wrote:I'm afraid you don't know the curse I live with. There seems to be a pattern in the way I get read on D1. In every game I've played except the one I replaced out of, I've been at least somewhat townread early D1 and then rather quickly brought to E-2 later on. But somehow, I manage to live. I find it amusing how like clockwork it is. Should that affect your read on me? I don't know. But it is a pattern lol.

In post 516, Tidus of the X wrote:(How do i quote only one part of a post) I had no idea if I actually should vote, since i didn't have any idea at all of who could be scum and it would ge a hammer vote when I did want to vote

In post 519, Alianna wrote:IIRC, I didn't really scumread them. Roden was my only real scumread, but we all know how that went down. There was very little time to rethink, but the last thing I wanted was a no-lim (imagine if we did that, there was a doc, and we went into D2 with all 9 people?). The options were me (not happening), hutmeil (who I was townreading), and furtive (who I was nullreading).

In post 362, the worst wrote:

vote count 1.12

There are nearly 130 different species of duck in the world! They are also close relatives of other waterfowl, like swans and geese (who are emphatically not the best birds).

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furtiveglance (2): 72offsuit, Roden
hutmeil (1): Tidus of the X

Not Voting (6): Malakittens, hutmeil, Greeting, furtiveglance, Alianna, whiskey delta

With 9 players alive, it takes 5 votes to reach an elimination.

Day one will end in (expired on 2022-06-04 10:00:00)

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Mod notes:

• quack.

In post 402, the worst wrote:

vote count 1.13

Ducks' bills are sensitive! They have many touch receptors, making them kinda like hands or palms!

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Alianna (3): 72offsuit, whiskey delta, furtiveglance
furtiveglance (1): Roden
hutmeil (1): Tidus of the X


Not Voting (4): Malakittens, hutmeil, Greeting, Alianna

With 9 players alive, it takes 5 votes to reach an elimination.

Day one will end in (expired on 2022-06-04 10:00:00)

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Mod notes:

• quack.

In post 420, 72offsuit wrote:Sure, but did u consider Furtive and I,
being partners in crime,
Directing away votes so he doesn't die,
Look at that, another rhyme,
Ask yourself why,
I'm right on time!

In post 521, whiskey delta wrote:

In post 519, Alianna wrote:IIRC, I didn't really scumread them. Roden was my only real scumread, but we all know how that went down. There was very little time to rethink, but the last thing I wanted was a no-lim (imagine if we did that, there was a doc, and we went into D2 with all 9 people?). The options were me (not happening), hutmeil (who I was townreading), and furtive (who I was nullreading).

I can only take your reads at face value but I was pretty sure FG was Town when I hammered him. The fact you two have experience and he’s calling you scum sketches me out. When you get the chance to dig in (I know you’re VLA) I would love to see where you stand on things.

I have a really dumb reason to TR you but it relies on the theory that you couldn’t do something as scum. You’re new but you’ve got chops so idk and I am fully aware of how pocketable I am.