Sorry everyone. Been busy, both in real life and in moderating my first game on-site. Going to catch up as quickly as I can while staving off burnout.
In post 4921, Desperado wrote:
In post 4916, Bulbazak wrote:
Penguin is trying to soft push my wagon. She talks about how she doesn't think that Khan would jail keep me, simply because I was the counterwagon to Slandaar, which means that she sees me as scummy and is soft pushing my wagon without actually voting for me. Do you think this is an incorrect interpretation of what Penguin said?
Penguin is town and wasn't doing what you say she was doing there. At all.
Point in that she wasn't doing what I thought she was, but I'm still not sure she's town.
In post 4925, Human Destroyer wrote:@Bulb
"+ there's atleast one scum in the neighborhood
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and Slandaar makes a good bet. CTD might be scum afterall. He's ignoring discussing his neighborhood big time."
That's clearly 2 biggest scumreads from all 3 neighborhoods, hence the bolded pluralization.
So you're agreeing that a scum/scum neighborhood is more likely than both scum in different neighborhoods?
In post 4932, Nero Cain wrote:So you're assuming all of the scum neighbors are in a neighborhood together? As I said yesterday, if scum from 1 team is in a neighborhoods, then scum from the other team is likely in the neighborhoods as well, and I find it highly unlikely that they're both together.
no? I was voting Slan 'cause I thought he was scum. I think CTD was doing some scummy shit and I was slightly paranoid of him. I think you are reeaally stretching here. When you put it like that "they were unlikely to both be scum" it makes some sense but it was never my intention and its stretching and looking awkward as hell to suggest that I knew Slan would flip town and that I said there HAD to be scum in this hood.
I'm just saying that logically scum from both teams are unlikely to be in the same neighborhood. This means that normal thought should be "if not Slandaar then CTD" if you find them both suspicious. I find it scummy that you keep trying to confuse the point by saying, "I see the logic, but let me yell useless crap and say I thought they were both scum in the same neighborhood, rather than admit that I think they were both scum in the same neighborhood or that I was thinking in terms of 'if not A then B'." It's like you're trying to have your cake and eat it too, all while trying to call me scummy for calling you out on it.
In post 4932, Nero Cain wrote:
Though it would be extremely easy for you as scum to go “well, the neighbor flipped town, so the other one must be scum!”
It would, wouldn't it. What does that have to do with this current conversation, especially since that is not what I'm doing?
In post 4932, Nero Cain wrote:
Your entire theory was that both teams had a scum in the hoods and that PV-Thad was a town/town hood, Slan was scum is the hood with Despo and that Slan was scum in his hood.
Slan flipped town. So in your theory
you are calling CTD scum
.
My neighborhood spec would indicate that, yes. The logical part of me keeps referring to the spec and saying, "CTD scum!", but my instincts counter with "CTD town!". I don't want to just start blindly lynching in the neighborhoods just to prove my spec right, as that will do more harm to the town than good. I'd rather rely on reads at the moment, because my track record with such spec is not good. However, if we lynch scum in one of the neighborhoods, I'll revisit my spec and reevaluate given the flip. The only difference the spec has made is that it has shaken my strong read of CTD. I still have a townread on him, but it's not as strong as before.
In post 4932, Nero Cain wrote:
Are you reevaluating the PV-Thad hood? Apparently not ‘cause you listed both Thad and PV as strong town reads.
Thad is a vig, and I still have a hard time seeing 2 killing roles in the same neighborhood. So far, I've not seen a compelling case on PV.
In post 4932, Nero Cain wrote:
You even have CTD as a stronger town read then Despo Which makes no sense.
How does it make no sense? My read on CTD wasn't shaken enough to make him a weaker read than Desp, who only became a full townread due to him actually major scumhunting yesterday.
They do, you're just trying to twist those thoughts and make them out to be scummy.
In post 4932, Nero Cain wrote:
In post 4912, Bulbazak wrote:However, after Slandaar's flip, I really don't want to go aimlessly poking around in the neighborhoods for the sole reason of proving my theory. I want to find scum for actual scummy reasons, not just theory. Therefore, if we go after one of the neighbors for legitimately scummy reasons, and they flip scum, only then will I evaluate given my theory, but until then, it's too dangerous to try on that reason alone, making it more in line with a policy lynch, which I'm not especially a fan of.
and this is just a bunch of backing down and pre-emptive reasoning to explain away his discrepancies in his list/thought process.
No, this is just me not wanting to policy lynch a bunch of people just to prove my spec. You are really stretching now.
In post 4932, Nero Cain wrote:
RE scum and lists: I'm not suggesting that only scum make them but they are relatively safe since they can easily be manufactured and scum seem to use them a lot. All they have to do is "follow the logic" e.g. go from the highest scum read to the next.
Translation: "I'm not saying it's scummy, but watch as I softly imply that it's scummy."
In post 4932, Nero Cain wrote:
If you no longer believe in your own theory then why does Slan’s town flip make you suspicious of CTD?
I honestly thought that Slandaar would flip scum and was shocked when that didn't happen. The spec's still in the back of my mind, and it has started to make me question my CTD read.
In post 4932, Nero Cain wrote:
If you were second guessing your own theory then why did you not come right out and say so?
I'm not so much second guessing it as not blindly following it. I have no basis for it atm, and will continue not to have one unless there is a scum flip in the neighborhoods.
In post 4932, Nero Cain wrote:
oh look what I found!!!
This is what Bulb is pushing me for but he's ignoring this?
There's also that pusedo-vig Thad wanted to shoot Bulb and told PV in the qt (right?) and then was blocked
Thad, did PV ask you who you wanted to shoot?
I honestly didn't remember this was said, but at least PV admitted what he was thinking, rather than take a page out of your book and dance all over the subject. I actually find this to be the scummiest part of your post, just because you are trying to build up the suspicion in other's minds instead of coming right out and saying so yourself. This "Oh look what I found!!!" is scummy in and of itself, because it's showboating and giving an air of scumhunting, when all you're doing is hunting through the thread to find anything to cast anybody, mainly myself, in a scummy light. You then suggest scummy motivation to others without coming out and stating that it's scummy yourself. Do you know who does that? Scum.
In post 4934, Nero Cain wrote:And his thought process concerning the neighbors makes no fucking sense what so ever.
Of course it doesn't make sense when you keep twisting and misrepping the argument.
In post 4937, Seanald wrote:VOTE: Bulba It's just all to incredibly forced, the walls, the buzzwords, and the painfully forced reasoning. It just isn't real it's scum.
and considering I still have a strong scum read on Cephrir, I believe cephrir was totally trying to save his buddy at the end of yesterday there, basically begging for votes to be moved off bulba.
In post 4666, Slandaar wrote:
In post 4665, Cephrir wrote:The suggestion is, then, that Bulb has scumslipped the knowledge that there aren't 4 scum neighbors out of 6 neighbors, in a normal game...
Get real.
Hi Bulbas buddy.
Baaa!!!
You obviously wasn't paying close attention to what I actually said. The original point was on what is perhaps Nero's scummiest post all game. In it he tries to deflect Khan's attention onto other people, even though it was later shown that Nero was incorrect in everything he asserted them to do. He then follows that up with, "Why am I not on your townlist" or in other words "Why do you not think I'm town? Give me towncred.". Nero tried, and it can be argued that he was successful, to actually divert that conversation onto other people, namely AK and Mollie, each of those circumstances being markedly different than the one we were discussing. After I pointed this out, he then proceeded to call me scummy for disagreeing with him. All this from a conversation that was originally about him trying to get the conversation moved elsewhere, something that the course of events proves he's adept at doing, and for then trying to gain towncred from it.
In post 4941, Nero Cain wrote:
So what, you think its a towntell that everyone one is telling him that's he's off his rocker but he's just putting his fingers in his ears and yelling "I'M NOT LISTNING!!!"
Actually, the only one telling me that is you, and the more you do so, the more that I think I'm right on the money.
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