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Post Post #525 (ISO) » Sat Jun 02, 2007 2:45 am

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This collective apathy is treason
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Post Post #526 (ISO) » Sat Jun 02, 2007 4:51 am

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pooky nuked raffles. pro-town players should only nuke those they think are scum. if he thinks raffles is scum then that's one scum dead, and we aren't about to lose just yet, we still have a chance to win. So I don't see why he would suggest the nuclear winter threat as pro-town. I can see scum suggesting it though. If the town doesn't follow you look pro-town, if it does you can sacrifice a scum-buddy (scum can afford it as pooky said) and still look pro-town. I don't think america is a rogue state but I do think that argument is pointless. Pooky, how can you say that America is the scum's best safe claim? That is a seriously scummy statement.

I'm really not a fan of LML either. Lynch all liars is ridiculous in a game involving fake nukes as part of the game setup. I don't see the case against Y at all, breadcrumbing is doubtful since Y is actually
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Post Post #527 (ISO) » Sat Jun 02, 2007 4:59 am

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ok name 1 safeclaim they could have that's better than America.
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Post Post #528 (ISO) » Sat Jun 02, 2007 5:12 am

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Russia would be just as good as America.
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Post Post #529 (ISO) » Sat Jun 02, 2007 5:12 am

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btw, the rest of my post?
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Post Post #530 (ISO) » Sat Jun 02, 2007 5:20 am

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Jack wrote:pooky nuked raffles. pro-town players should only nuke those they think are scum. if he thinks raffles is scum then that's one scum dead, and we aren't about to lose just yet, we still have a chance to win. So I don't see why he would suggest the nuclear winter threat as pro-town.

If raffles is indeed scum, we would've lost 3 protown players and 1 scum on day 1, when night comes we lose another to the nightkill and we lose 4 protown and get 1 scum and that's IF raffles is scum, IF he is actually protown, we are down 5 protown at the beginning of day 2. Both of those scenarios are bad for the town and very likely to lead to loss for us.



I can see scum suggesting it though. If the town doesn't follow you look pro-town, if it does you can sacrifice a scum-buddy (scum can afford it as pooky said) and still look pro-town.

Scum can look protown by bandwagoning their buddy, scum can look protown by pointing out their buddy and getting them lynched, scum can look protown by putting a nuclear warhead up their buddy's butt. What's the point of using this fancy fancy schmoocrap


I don't think america is a rogue state but I do think that argument is pointless. Pooky, how can you say that America is the scum's best safe claim? That is a seriously scummy statement.

I honestly can't think of a better claim than America in terms of being likely in the game and likely to be protown. IF America was a safeclaim for the scum it would be their best safeclaim because I honestly can't think of a safeclaim that is better, can you?


I'm really not a fan of LML either. Lynch all liars is ridiculous in a game involving fake nukes as part of the game setup. I don't see the case against Y at all, breadcrumbing is doubtful since Y is actually
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Post Post #531 (ISO) » Sat Jun 02, 2007 5:20 am

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Actually America is better than Russia, it's more likely to be in the Game, that and Putin happens to be a dictator.
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Post Post #532 (ISO) » Sat Jun 02, 2007 5:25 am

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look let's toss all the comparisons aside.

If I told you what this game's theme was and gave you all the opening information and asked you to bet on ONE country being in the game and being protown, which country would you bet on?

I would bet on America, that's why I think it's the best safeclaim possible. Because it is the MOST likely country to be in this game and protown.
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Post Post #533 (ISO) » Sat Jun 02, 2007 5:30 am

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No that's ridiculous. America and Russia are equally famous for having tons of nukes from the cold war. They would both be expected to be in game.

Putin may be a dictator, but I recall you waxing lyrical last page about what makes a rogue nation.
If raffles is indeed scum, we would've lost 3 protown players and 1 scum on day 1, when night comes we lose another to the nightkill and we lose 4 protown and get 1 scum and that's IF raffles is scum, IF he is actually protown, we are down 5 protown at the beginning of day 2. Both of those scenarios are bad for the town and very likely to lead to loss for us.
But you think Raffles is dead scum, and you think lml is scum. That's 2 out of three. Why call for nuclear winter instead of nuking lml?
Scum can look protown by bandwagoning their buddy, scum can look protown by pointing out their buddy and getting them lynched, scum can look protown by putting a nuclear warhead up their buddy's butt. What's the point of using this fancy fancy schmoocrap
You asked why scum would suggest it.
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Post Post #534 (ISO) » Sat Jun 02, 2007 5:39 am

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It's my backup plan for when I'm dead and gone and we're at a point where the scum are about to win the game.

I think raffles is dead scum but I'm far from 100% certain, if I turn out to be wrong and then i get lynched and then we lose another at night we'd be at 7 alive and probably 3 scum.

That's when I want the town to use my "threaten winter to force confessions plan" since 7-3 is probly town=lose.
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Post Post #535 (ISO) » Sat Jun 02, 2007 5:45 am

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If you are far from 100% you shouldn't have nuked.

you also said "we all agree if there is no confession within 6 hours of deadline" then everyone nuke. This isn't a backup plan.

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Post Post #536 (ISO) » Sat Jun 02, 2007 7:45 am

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Stay the course. Pooky is squirming scum.
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Post Post #537 (ISO) » Sat Jun 02, 2007 9:07 am

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i have to agree with Jack, that this is totally ridiculous.
WTF WOULD AMERICA BE OBVIOUSLY PROTOWN?
Im guesing you are a patriotic nationalist American, but take a look at it from a different perspective. Who is involved in every major war in the world?
America.
Who recently committed great atrocities in their selfish invasion of Iraq?
America.
Who are one of the only countries in the world to oppose the global efforts to protect the environment by cutting down on the use of fossil fuels?
America.

I know that those are somewhat biased (and probably not absolutely accurate) opinions, but they opinions felt by the vast majority in Britain at least, and i expect the same is true of the rest of Europe.
Whether America is considered 'good' or 'bad' is the Mods opinion. Im not sure whether Yos is as patriotic an american as you appear to be, but assuming he isnt, and he wants to make a game that cannot easily be broken, who does he make scum?
The most controversial country in the world.

oh and fyi, there are infinite countries that id consider more likely protown than America. Id find it hard to see France as scum, or Canada or Australia. Thats my opinion, and its possible that all 3 of those are scum, but NOT BECAUSE OF RL THINGS. :roll:

Oh and btw guys, im getting a distinct feeling that we are nearer to nuclear winter than i had first anticipated. I also have a feeling that the day will see more nukings yet. :o

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PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:look let's toss all the comparisons aside.

If I told you what this game's theme was and gave you all the opening information and asked you to bet on ONE country being in the game and being protown, which country would you bet on?

I would bet on America, that's why I think it's the best safeclaim possible. Because it is the MOST likely country to be in this game and protown.
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Post Post #538 (ISO) » Sat Jun 02, 2007 1:01 pm

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Well Pooky, obviously scums aren't going to claim themselves. And if you want nuclear winter so badly, you wouldn't feel bad if I nuked you back, right?

I wouldn't think too hard about whether America is a rogue state or not. I'm sure Yos have put 1 or 2 traps in to prevent the mass claiming.
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Post Post #539 (ISO) » Sat Jun 02, 2007 3:16 pm

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sigh

I was talking about the generic deadline as in the time the day would end.

Would you not agree with me that if we wake up with 7 alive/no dead scum tommorrow then my winter unless they confess plan is actually good for that situation?
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Post Post #540 (ISO) » Sat Jun 02, 2007 3:17 pm

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Raffles, I'd be absolutely ecstatic if you nuked me back.
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Post Post #541 (ISO) » Sat Jun 02, 2007 3:18 pm

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I'm sure you would.
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Post Post #542 (ISO) » Sat Jun 02, 2007 3:18 pm

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and BM, you're entirely wrong about me,

I'm a chinese immigrant who came to America at age 6 and I don't approve of American policies in recent years.

It's just that I happen to believe that America is the most likely country to be both in this game and protown.
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Post Post #543 (ISO) » Sat Jun 02, 2007 3:22 pm

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And also guys, how do you reconcile the fact that I have a restriction on firing nukes with your belief that I'm a "rogue state"? I've yet to receive an answer for this.

And also, why would you not want to extend deadline to at least see if Raffles is scum or not before lynching me?

This is incredible gross negligence here.

This continual refusal to come up with logical explanations for OBVIOUS problems with this lynch on me is absolutely disgusting.
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Post Post #544 (ISO) » Sat Jun 02, 2007 3:23 pm

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wanna explain to me MoS why scum would be ecstatic if the townie nuked him back?
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Post Post #545 (ISO) » Sat Jun 02, 2007 5:26 pm

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wanna explain to me Pooky why
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Post Post #546 (ISO) » Sat Jun 02, 2007 5:27 pm

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PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:And also guys, how do you reconcile the fact that I have a restriction on firing nukes with your belief that I'm a "rogue state"? I've yet to receive an answer for this.

And also, why would you not want to extend deadline to at least see if Raffles is scum or not before lynching me?

This is incredible gross negligence here.

This continual refusal to come up with logical explanations for OBVIOUS problems with this lynch on me is absolutely disgusting.
Your restrictions support your claim of being America, not your alignment. In fact, I'm more likely to believe that scum would have a restriction on their nukes, because otherwise they could just launch a nuke or two and skip endgame to finish us all off.
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Post Post #547 (ISO) » Sat Jun 02, 2007 5:28 pm

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Also, I find you even more suspicious for accusing us of refusing to answer your questions regarding you as a possible scum in the same post that you ask them. Even if some of them were repeat questions, it's not like everyone has checked into the thread and said that they refuse to respond. Some of us actually have things to do besides play mafia and can't always respond right away.
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Post Post #548 (ISO) » Sat Jun 02, 2007 5:57 pm

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I'm ecstatic because I'd rather have us all go down in winter than have the scum get away with winning this travesty.

right, cuz rogue states needing to follow RULES,(how does the flavor even fit?)
They wont fire nukes to win at endgame because the risk of wintering the game isnt good for them when they're that close to winning?

I'm accusing you of ignoring the objections I've put up because you can find the time to say something like "pooky is squirming scum" but not the time to actually come up with a logical rebuff to my objections.

I'm saying if you have the time to bloody say crap like "pooky is squirming scum keep voting him"(this is crap because it doesn't contribute anything to the discussion since we ALREADY KNOW YOU THINK I AM SCUm, saying it again without actually addressing my objections means that you are choosing to simply restate your position instead of actually reading and responding to my objections which are logically sound, either you're scum or you're incredibly lazy and willing to mislynch without actually putting though into this) A then surely you'd have time to come up with something that would rebuff my objections.

Don't give me the "i have other crap to do thing", stop wasting your time posting completely useless stuff like "pooky is squirming scum" and actually tell me what is wrong with the logic I'm trying to give you as to why I should not be lynched right away.

So tell me MoS, because not one of you have been able to tell me

WHY SHOULD THE TOWN NOT MAKE A MORE INFORMED DECISION AT A LATER TIME SUCH AS AFTER WE FIND OUT RAFFLE's ROLE/ALIGNMENT INSTEAD OF MAKING A LESS INFORMED ONE!??!
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Post Post #549 (ISO) » Sat Jun 02, 2007 5:58 pm

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Wait, you find me suspicious because I REPEATED MY QUESTIONS AFTER YOU ALL IGNORED ME WHEN I ASKED THEM THE FIRST TIME!??!

ARE YOU FOR REAL!?!?!
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