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Post Post #550 (ISO) » Fri Oct 23, 2009 3:07 pm

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EBWOP: Zaz flaked from a vanilla role in Twilight, 's the basis of my bias that Zaz would be unlikely to flake a town PR.
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Post Post #551 (ISO) » Fri Oct 23, 2009 4:16 pm

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@Slicey :
day 2 Mafia SSK lynching was premature
day 3 dizzy make a fatal mistake by not come and explain. I was waiting so that if she came and have a good explanation we can have no-lynch

@icerint : I don't get it. OP? Wicked? I don't really understand your last 2 posts.
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Post Post #552 (ISO) » Fri Oct 23, 2009 4:18 pm

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vote : Slicey
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Post Post #553 (ISO) » Fri Oct 23, 2009 6:24 pm

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I agree that the SSK lynch was way premature, but I fail to see how that connects to Slicey. It made zwet and Dizzy look bad, mostly, and they both ended up being town.

OP and Wicked were players in a game I played with Slicey where Slicey was scum. OP was his scumbuddy and Wicked was a scummy townie. It was clear that exactly one of Slicey and Wicked was scum. It reminds me of the current situation, except that it is (slighty) less obvious that one of you must be scum.
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Post Post #554 (ISO) » Fri Oct 23, 2009 9:31 pm

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ehmm....Vaya, CC!
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Post Post #555 (ISO) » Sat Oct 24, 2009 6:34 pm

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*cough*
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Post Post #556 (ISO) » Sat Oct 24, 2009 8:12 pm

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TMJ, so long as we're waiting -- were the comments about SSK and so forth just intended to explain your having not voted, or were they intended to demonstrate Slicey's scumminess?
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Post Post #557 (ISO) » Sun Oct 25, 2009 2:14 am

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Sorry for my absence.

Anyway, I read Crazy in ISO, and I think, his partner is either Tjoe or Vaya, and I'm leaning toward the second option. The first one was defended by Crazy pretty heavily about that 'rolefishing thingy', Vaya was at least twice called openly town by him (yes me too, for the record). Crazy also took Vaya's side in argue against Iceman.

Why I'm leaning toward Vaya?

a) I played a game where Tjoe is scum, and he was acting way different than here. Actually he asks questions and tries to scumhunt in a place or two. In his scum game, he did giant nothing, was sheeping after the town leader, his opinions were giving us absolutely nothing. I just don't see much similarities between those two games.

On the other hand, Vaya is inactive as hell, so I don't know if he would really RB me during the night.

Also, I don't think Slicey is scum. I know for sure, that he HAS other ability than Roleblocking, so he can't have more abilities, aye?
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Post Post #558 (ISO) » Sun Oct 25, 2009 7:09 am

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I hadn't thought of that last. Slicey may not be the RB scum, but there are probably 2 scum left, so that may be irrelevant. Still, it decreases the prior probability of him being scum.

I'll trust that TMJ isn't scum (except with you) on the basis of your evaluation of his play.

The only thing Vaya's done this game is make a good case against SSK, which started looking less impressive D3. That made it null. I can't think of any other towntells, but I can't think of much of anything. I'll go back and read him a bit. I'd encourage him to participate in the meantime.
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Post Post #559 (ISO) » Sun Oct 25, 2009 7:20 am

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Cathart does raise a good point about the RB'er not being Slicey. It doesn't really clear Slicey of being scum, since his partner could have RB'ed instead. What it does mean though, is that there is a RB'er out there that we know is scum, so I want to focus on getting him lynched first. The RB'er is one of Vaya, Tjoe, and Iecerint, and of the three, I'm pretty certain it's Iec.
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Post Post #560 (ISO) » Sun Oct 25, 2009 7:28 am

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The only thing about Vaya is that I don't know who he'd be partnered with. I doubt he's scum with Slicey. Slicey came out strong against Vaya N2 without any equivocating or suggesting alternate scummy players. He followed that up with a vote D3, though I don't recall if he offered any rhetoric to support it. CC with Vaya also makes little sense, since neither of them were under the microscope when CC said he suspected him; CC had no reason to sacrifice her if he is scum since today is almost certainly lylo. The only other person Vaya could be paired with is TMJ, whom CC believes to be town based on meta.

Of course, any of the above could be a gambit, but it's worth considering.
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Post Post #561 (ISO) » Sun Oct 25, 2009 7:29 am

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Vaya, who do you think is my buddy?
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Post Post #562 (ISO) » Sun Oct 25, 2009 7:30 am

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EBWOP: TMJ -- please comment on CC's description of your meta.
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Post Post #563 (ISO) » Sun Oct 25, 2009 7:34 am

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Iecerint wrote:Vaya, who do you think is my buddy?
Slicey probably, by process of elimination. I'm fairly sure Cathart is town and I think Tjoe is town as well.
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Post Post #564 (ISO) » Sun Oct 25, 2009 11:05 am

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CC, who do you believe Vaya is paired with?
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Post Post #565 (ISO) » Sun Oct 25, 2009 11:07 am

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EBWOP: Also, did TMJ win or lose in the games on which you are basing your meta read?
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Post Post #566 (ISO) » Sun Oct 25, 2009 11:14 am

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First Day 4 Vote Count as of Post 565


*(1) Tjoe (Slicey)
(1) Slicey (Tjoe)
(1) Iecerint (Vaya)

(2) Not Voting (Col, Iecerint)

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Post Post #567 (ISO) » Sun Oct 25, 2009 7:24 pm

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Iecerint wrote:TMJ, so long as we're waiting -- were the comments about SSK and so forth just intended to explain your having not voted, or were they intended to demonstrate Slicey's scumminess?
Both I guess. The way Slicey used them against me when he is nowhere around at that time make me feel that he is just looking for a scape goat.
Iecerint wrote:EBWOP: TMJ -- please comment on CC's description of your meta.
lol. I just play the way I play. what do you expect me to explain?
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Post Post #568 (ISO) » Sun Oct 25, 2009 8:21 pm

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CC and Vaya got a point about the RB thing.

if it's not CC or Slicey than it must be one of Tjoe, Vaya, or Icerint.

Crazy said that CC and Vaya "likely" to be town.
I'm leaning that Crazy used them as tool to gain support which indicating that both of them are town.
In the other hand, slicey and icerint keep pushing on my "fishing thing" strike my attention as they both cooperating

@Icerint : who's the scum pair IYO? don't just tell gambit thing!
@Slicey : I need you to answer that question too.
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Mini 840. Tajo's I love you Mafia -over- scum - win
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Post Post #569 (ISO) » Mon Oct 26, 2009 12:44 am

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Well, you might say something like "I don't know what CC's talking about. I think he's just trying to get on my good side." CC has appeared town most of the game, but that can sometimes happen when scum haven't ever been caught.

I think the simplest scumpair is TMJ/Vaya. I think CC appears town, and Slicey's night comments disincline me to put him with either of those players. The other pairing that makes sense is CC/Slicey, but it's even more purely PoE, so I don't think it's as good a guess as TMJ/Vaya. Moreover, CC's evidence about the RB means that Slicey is relatively unlikely to be scum (unless CC is his scumbuddy), so I think their lynches are less likely to go over well.
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Post Post #570 (ISO) » Mon Oct 26, 2009 9:07 am

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Iec: You misunderstood me. I don't think that TMJ is obv town thanks to that game. Crazy's posts makes him look scummy in my eyes, and and nothing stops him from behaving differently, especially if he knew that I know his scum-playing pattern.

My current point of view:

I know for 100% that we have a Mafia RB on the board. I would like to catch this one first, and then try to catch the last one, if we'll succeed.

Possibilities of being RB:

Slicey cannot be a RB, as I know for 100% he has other ability.

Iecereint's chances to be a RB are close to 0%, mainly because I tracked him N2 and he didn't do anything that night. I believe, that a RB would try rather to block blindly with some chance of blocking the power role, instead of doing nothing at all, especially, that they didn't know until D3, that that there is a Tracker around.

Vaya - I wanted to say here, that chances are low, since Vaya is inactive as hell, and I doubt that he had a chance to send that block, but his latest stroke of activity in the thread, makes me think it is possible after all.

TMJ - See above.

So far, I think that Vaya is the best candidate, since he is the only player here who don't have any alibi, at least from my point of view.

I would rather not talk about scumpartners right now. Let's concentrate on this one, and hopefully, we'll deal with the other problem tomorrow.
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Post Post #571 (ISO) » Mon Oct 26, 2009 9:29 am

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Col.Cathart wrote:Iecereint's chances to be a RB are close to 0%, mainly because I tracked him N2 and he didn't do anything that night. I believe, that a RB would try rather to block blindly with some chance of blocking the power role, instead of doing nothing at all, especially, that they didn't know until D3, that that there is a Tracker around.
I didn't know you tracked Iec N2. You're right that this means he's most likely not the RB'er. I far as I'm concerned now, Tjoe is almost definitely scum unless you're a lying scumbag, which I very much doubt.

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Post Post #572 (ISO) » Mon Oct 26, 2009 10:16 am

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Yeah, Vaya posted 11 minutes after I cast some suspicion on him and encouraged him to participate. Could be a coincidence, though. I'm not crazy about him putting me with Slicey, either; I'd have been more impressed if he put me with you (CC).
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Post Post #573 (ISO) » Mon Oct 26, 2009 10:26 am

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It looks like I was wrong about you being scum with Slicey anyway. You would have hammered for the game if you were.
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Post Post #574 (ISO) » Mon Oct 26, 2009 12:30 pm

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K, so that excludes Iec/Slicey and Iec/Vaya scumpairs...

Only possible scumpairs (from my point of view):

TMJ/Anyone else
Vaya/Slicey.

50/50 chance. TMJ/Vaya is a Roleblocker.

*Scratch Scratch*

God, I hate those win or lose moments...

In case of mislynch, we're doomed anyway. In case of TMJ correct lynch, we still have full spectrum of suspects for the next day. In case of Vaya correct lynch we have another 2 confirmed townies (Me, as I'm not hammering, and Iec as he didn't hammer when he had chance, so that excludes pairs with Vaya), so either way one confirmed townie goes to D5.

So yeah, I think that given 50/50 chance, and the fact that Vaya lynch may be more beneficial, AND I still cannot shake off that feeling that TMJ is acting differently than he was acting as a scum, I would rather like Vaya lynch over TMJ. Any other takers for that? If not, then there's no point in making this any longer, and we can hammer TMJ now.
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