Mini 2206 - Deja Vu: Perpetual MELO IV - END!

[Venus Fly Trap]

mine!

[Infinity 324]

I feel like people in general don't usually push policy elims nowadays

[Venus Fly Trap]

Did anyone besides nacho think I was tunneling him?

nope

~
also: i kinda like misty but beeboy not posting is somewhat concerning since iirc he hates posting as scum. he can get, like, another irl day or so to post at which point i will start officially scumreading him for it

~ skitter

[Venus Fly Trap]

ya fair enough, i seem to remember them being more common but i can't actually find any examples so nm

~skitter

[Venus Fly Trap]

I think due to the nature of this setup read lists are bad for town.
Mainly because scum want to eliminate themselves and you'd basically be directing them who to get rid of.


Mind games ect ect.
Town motivation ect ect.
Are both valid arguments against this though as I've had this discussion a few times, I haven't spoke to Mist about this at all.

~Glaceon

oh wait you are posting
but kinda ineffectually ...
do you have like a readslist you can sure? don't feel like i have a good sense for what you're thinking this game and i feel like i probably should

~ skitter

[Venus Fly Trap]

>.>
wait i actually just read it and shouldn't have just looked at the sig before posting
ok i very much disagree with this philosophy because i have no idea what you're thinking this game and while you *might* have a point that readslists are bad (i don't raelly agree with that but whatever) if i can't figure out what your reads are at all we have a problem, esp. since i know that town!you tends to have good reads (and they'd be useful to have) and scum!you doesn't like to post

~ skitter

[Infinity 324]

Not sure if you've gotten to it yet, I think beeboy's read on me was towny.

[Venus Fly Trap]

@beeboy I know you just said you don't like readslists but scum are gonna figure out who I SR anyway, and I think this is important

{bulge, DC, NM, mom, nacho, cakez}

@bork, skitt Who do you think is most likely scum outside this pool?

Leafeon and Glaceon (beeboy, Mistyx hydra)
Salsabil Faria
Kismet
Infinity 324
Venus Fly Trap (skitter30, lilith2013 hydra)
notscience

leaf's my weakest out of these, followed by salsa
but this group is, largely, the people i'm townreading (other than leaf) so there's a p big gap between leaf and salsa

i don't really have any thoughts on his read on you. it's just kinda there

~ sktiter

[Venus Fly Trap]

also i know ydra is gonna hate me for this but she's looking a lto more like the vs. game than, say, divide and conquer ...

[Venus Fly Trap]

i wish me and mena were posting at the same time so that i can sort him

~ skitter

[Infinity 324]

also i know ydra is gonna hate me for this but she's looking a lto more like the vs. game than, say, divide and conquer ...

I mean ydra just isn't posting, sometimes she just doesn't post as town.

I thought the way beeboy applied his theory to this game felt quite believable.

[SirCakez]

fuck you guys for posting 7 pages I just want to crash in bed and watch tv

[Infinity 324]

Sorry :/

[SirCakez]

1. Some of it. Like I've said a few times now I got busy and didn't really pay attention to the tail end.
2. It's too dramatic. Like you're fishing for townreads for your "frustration"
3. I cannot recall a time I have. It just doesn't add up for me because you seem to be fairly engaged but you haven't really put much together.
4. I just don't understand why you are TRing him. But this is not really a point for me SRing you.
5. I always find it scummy when people do this.

(1) okay, but this didn’t really happen at the tail end, it was more of a D1/D2 thing which is why I’m surprised you don’t remember
(2) cakez, we’ve played before, how is me being dramatic AI to you? Hyperbole is exactly within my ballpark as both alignments
(3 & 4) firstly,, I’m not that engaged rn (I’m a lil burned out from how high intensity I was in the micro that just finished), and secondly, his is a feature of the setup? Like I’m aware there’s an unusually high concentration of scum in this game + there’s a decent number of new faces to me, so I’m taking more time bc if I can get, like, 3 solid TRs say, I have a very good % chance of hitting scum. I thought notsci was one of the players who just won’t bother as scum, hence him doing... anything was towny. It turns out that’s not right, but I still think he’s leaning town bc of the fact that he didn’t just take the free townread
(5) okay, so then is it actually scum indicative for me or not in your opinion?

-Mena

1. No I don't recall that but I believe it probably happened and I've just forgotten
2. meh it felt different tonally. w/e
3. Ok but you didn't say that before.
5. Yes it is.

[SirCakez]

Cartel little less yikes. more meh now.

VOTE: leafeon and glaceon

[Venus Fly Trap]

also i know ydra is gonna hate me for this but she's looking a lto more like the vs. game than, say, divide and conquer ...

I mean ydra just isn't posting, sometimes she just doesn't post as town.

I thought the way beeboy applied his theory to this game felt quite believable.

i mean doesn't she at the very least fluffpost and post about anime or ice cream or whatever as town, even if there's no content?

and for beeboy idk it doesn't really resonate with me. like i can see him posting that as either alignment

sorry cakez <3
~ skitter

[Infinity 324]

i mean doesn't she at the very least fluffpost and post about anime or ice cream or whatever as town, even if there's no content?

In two day penultimate mafia which was recently abandoned, her posting was similar to here (pop in once and a while and say nothing). I'm hoping she gets to the content part this time :)

[SirCakez]

That's because of how long my catchup was. I read like 10 pages of posts in one go, so it wasn't like "hmm this is scummy" "hmm this is weird" it was like a whole bunch of posts that added up at once.

You're not responding to my point at all.

My point is just is that you kept pointing out things that were weird and not scummy. And you called them weird not scummy. Three weird posts doesn't normally equal a scumread so when did your read change from "what Nacho is doing is weird" to "what Nacho is doing is scummy"?

I thought it was implied.

My main hangup is I don't understand your obsession with elimming NM and I don't feel it like town!you at all.
I don't really see a path to elimming you right now anyways, but I am genuinely baffled by your early posts this game in a way that I wasn't in Popcorn.

How am I obsessing over an NM push? I brought it up. I explained reasons why. Why are my reasons for pushing him incorrect?

Like it drives me crazy when you go "ah this sucks" without even making a token effort to address my reasons for doing something - you jumped down my throat for Norfolk defense early last game when we weren't defending Norfolk and instead were pointing out that the people attacking him early for dumb reasons.

Also, why do you think that you can differentiate between the way town me pushes something and the way scum me pushes something when you can't find town me in the first place?

At the beginning you were.
I think the arguments are flawed because like some have said we get extremely little info from yeeting NM and his elim is not super helpful either way he flips.
And I don't want to restart this debate anyways.
Because I have recent meta from Popcorn whereas in Popcorn I had nothing to work off with you guys in recent memory.

My point is just is that you kept pointing out things that were weird and not scummy. And you called them weird not scummy. Three weird posts doesn't normally equal a scumread so when did your read change from "what Nacho is doing is weird" to "what Nacho is doing is scummy"?

Do you think this is scum-indicative (for cakez)?

I find that Cakez might take this approach as either alignment because, as I've talked about in thread several times now, he's done it before.

I think the more alignment indicative piece will be his responses when he decides to do something other than just straight up blow me off.

I have not and never have "blown you off"

Somebody else already made this point.

Notscience brought up this point. Your response was that you didn't know my reads because you were skimming. That's not good enough for me.

I have nothing else to offer to this.

@nacho I'm having a hard time seeing which parts of your cakez read don't boil down to "I don't get cakez", or how you not getting cakez means he's scum in this context

The push Cakez made with the most scum intent was the one on me, which I talked about before. Whenever a townie is getting a lot of heat from those present in the thread and then a newcomer rolls around and goes "A-HA! You are scummy!" with reasons that are questionable at best, you can bet your left eye that I'm going to hold them to the fire from it.

This literally only happened because I had some time irl to get in here. You think I was lurking and just waiting to snipe at you?

[Infinity 324]

I'm not confident in my ability to read cakez, but he feels pretty towny tbh

[Venus Fly Trap]

i mean doesn't she at the very least fluffpost and post about anime or ice cream or whatever as town, even if there's no content?

In two day penultimate mafia which was recently abandoned, her posting was similar to here (pop in once and a while and say nothing). I'm hoping she gets to the content part this time

fair enuf. i don't think i've ever seen that iteration of town-ydra

~ skitter

[SirCakez]

If Kismet is bork that is OBVIOUSLY town

Seems hella convenient that you’re sussing me when I’m like the only one who hasn’t been happy to rubberstamp you as town, kismet!

-Mena

This post is really shitty though and it has such a dumb and illogical implication. Who would go after someone just because they refuse to TR you? This insinuates scum motivation behind the move but that would be such a dumb scum move.

I am bullying him because being rude to Cakez seems to be the quickest way to get him to actually address things with me - whenever I reach out or play softball he tends to glaze over what I'm saying to him.

this isn't wrong <.<

seems like someone who felt like they had to post "content" and threw something out

i mean basically

i signed up to hydra and my partner's barely been playing

so im kinda just coasting b/c im not motivated

~leaf

what was the purpose of the post then?

to throw something out?

the reads weren't forced as in i forced myself to make reads where i didnt have any it was more that i had to force myself to read thread and get them out

~leaf

why don't you engage the game how you want to instead of doing whatever you're doing rn?

Vote: Leafeon and Glaceon

worse
VFT

[SirCakez]

i think cakez and nm are the two scummiest slots in the game rn

this is such bullshit lol

and no, my why on you is partially that, but moreso because I think your SR on me seems fabricated or like it’s at the very least treating me with bad faith

really dislike this
why is DC so concerned with how they are being read? the initial argument here was terrible

[SirCakez]

happy birthday Infinity ^.^

[Infinity 324]

Thanks!

Mena is always concerned with how people read him and I think it might actually be towny

[SirCakez]

Mom/Braveheart is also #badslot btw