In post 5467, Theta Alpine wrote:really do not think lambdadelta will get here soon enough
or for that matter change her mind if she does get back
so i will abandon my traditional self placement of null since i will flip pretty soon
conf town
toogeloo
hopkirk
vaxkiller
lambdadelta
theta - soon enough
prob town
unowen
pooky
titus
null
noraa
gloria
bell
mush
murdercat
fidget
lean scum
tayl0r
shellyc
flea
lapsa
prob scum
adorable
conf scum
fred
lol that's terrible.
I'm skimming, one more page left. Shelly-Tayl0r impossible due to us having a weird sort of paranoia/trajectory on each other
Posted: Sun Nov 08, 2020 6:14 pm
by Bell
Tldr; it shows a total lack of focus and attention where town's focus should be. So, it's probably coming from scum.
Posted: Sun Nov 08, 2020 6:15 pm
by shellyc
In post 5501, Bell wrote:Tldr; it shows a total lack of focus and attention where town's focus should be. So, it's probably coming from scum.
this is honestly the first thing that I agree with bell this game
Posted: Sun Nov 08, 2020 6:17 pm
by shellyc
In post 5488, Bell wrote:Really don't see Noraa scum here.
I may be getting some shit for this town read.
can the people who are actually TRing noraa flesh this out
Please explain a newcomer to the game why this warrants a "wow."
Her Top town reads are low info posters who barely posted and Pooky who has made it a point to not care. When there is significant alignment indicative information in regards to Fred's alignment she decided to go with those three who were side shows at best during his elimination. It shows a total failure to comprehend the game, game state or the players in it. I think it's just a wifom death post.
Please explain a newcomer to the game why this warrants a "wow."
Her Top town reads are low info posters who barely posted and Pooky who has made it a point to not care. When there is significant alignment indicative information in regards to Fred's alignment she decided to go with those three who were side shows at best during his elimination. It shows a total failure to comprehend the game, game state or the players in it. I think it's just a wifom death post.
Thanks. I retract my cursory SR of you.
why is narrating the gamestate warranting a pivot on an SR?
Bell and mush are both for sure town after Fred flips scum
Posted: Sun Nov 08, 2020 10:44 pm
by MUSHSHAGANA
Can't really imagine scum bussing in this setup unless they're deferring their hit to scroll 3.
Fair warning: big event tomorrow, I won't be V/LA but I won't be posting at even my currently reduced rates. Lot of work to do. Expect something at some point though.
Posted: Sun Nov 08, 2020 11:01 pm
by shellyc
1 hour left, looks like we're scrolling theta.
Can't really believe that readslist comin' from town. Theta!red implies adorbs!green so fidget is Firmly in my Solve. The "Adora Isn't Townslipping" case feels really meta-dominated and weak/retractable.
Bell/MUSH are ICs as above. PoE is currently UNO/Fidget/Tayl0r/Noraa/Flea/DGB. Probably in this order as well.
Posted: Sun Nov 08, 2020 11:57 pm
by Fidget
I had a dream last night that I shot shelly and she flipped red. Safe to say I'm never letting her out of my sights at this point.
Spoiler:
In post 5467, Theta Alpine wrote:really do not think lambdadelta will get here soon enough
or for that matter change her mind if she does get back
so i will abandon my traditional self placement of null since i will flip pretty soon
conf town
toogeloo
hopkirk
vaxkiller
lambdadelta
theta - soon enough
prob town
unowen
pooky
titus
null
noraa
gloria
bell
mush
murdercat
fidget
lean scum
tayl0r
shellyc
flea
lapsa
prob scum
adorable
conf scum
fred
Theta is getting bullied too hard for this readslist, I think the confirm bias is setting in for some of you. It's missing a lot of the critical townreads and has Titus/UNOwen at the top somehow, but the scumread section isn't *terrible* from a Theta!town perspective.
I think Lapsa(DGB)/shelly are good contenders for actual scum at the bottom here.. Adorable extremely likely town and Flea probably town if Theta is red.
In post 5500, shellyc wrote:I'm skimming, one more page left. Shelly-Tayl0r impossible due to us having a weird sort of paranoia/trajectory on each other
In post 5499, Bell wrote:She also put multiple obv towns in her null reads for no discernible reason.
If it's not a scum post, it's horrendously bad play.
I guess it's a little pointless to keep weighing in on this but I didn't get a chance to at the time so whatever.
Having shelly/Tayl0r both low doesn't automatically mean she wanted you two together. I agree with Bell that she's missing a lot of people who should probably be town rather than null, so that is a point against it sure. I could possibly see attributing that to her not really being around for the parts where it was clear those players were town, but it does reveal a lack of attention.
Overall it's a list I don't agree with much, but I don't want to make town!Theta feel that bad over it because it's got at least a couple scum at the bottom, and scum!Theta probably just isn't able to keep up with the game.
In post 309, Zdenek wrote:I've read up to page 6, and skimmed the more recent stuff.
Unvote
Consider my vote on Noraa.
In post 63, MURDERCAT wrote:Ok I still haven't read but I have a question that I want answered by the time I do, should we change how we lim? Like if there is someone who people townlean but we know they have a strong scum game are we more likely to vote them in this setup?
Can I ask what led you to this? I'm curious because it came up in the thread and it makes me question whether you've read or not.
I'm inclined to agree that Noraa's town-slip looks faked, and the meta argument for why it is scummy seems good to me.
In post 685, Zdenek wrote:
My top three scum reads are Noraa, Owen and Bell.
What's this all about?
In post 298, UNOwen wrote:Ah yes, I knew that my vote against Noraa would lead to good things.
The wagon looks promising, Noraa's reaction to the pressure has indeed been flaily.
Adorable's vote was not great.
Laziness, and bolstering and attacking the wagon on Noraa in the same post.
fred may not have an interaction with adorable
but zdenek does
this interaction also leads me to believe unowen is town
and supports my thoughts that adorable is scum
Ahh, here's that UNOwen!town reasoning. Mm, I'm a bit conflicted because I don't see why Theta keeps giving associatives like her wild Titus/UNOwen top townread takes. But it seems to tie into her Adorable tunnel so maybe it's just done as a little extra thing to seem like she has extra quirky non consensus reads.
Posted: Mon Nov 09, 2020 12:01 am
by shellyc
In post 5513, Fidget wrote:I had a dream last night that I shot shelly and she flipped red. Safe to say I'm never letting her out of my sights at this point.
lmao.
I love it when I'm pushed for totally wack reasons
Posted: Mon Nov 09, 2020 12:04 am
by shellyc
I'll force myself to have a dream that I shot fidget and she flipped red tmr
UNO!town is pretty much based off weak interactions. fred/UNO/theta is a thing imo.
Posted: Mon Nov 09, 2020 12:08 am
by Fidget
shellyc wrote:I'll force myself to have a dream that I shot fidget and she flipped red tmr
UNO!town is pretty much based off weak interactions. fred/UNO/theta is a thing imo.
Hey that's stealing!
What benefit is there for scum!Theta to make scum!UNOwen a big townread of hers on her deathbed, other than for WIFOM?
do you think scum!theta SRs/nulls all their teammates?
She only gave three people townie status (UNOwen, Pooky, Titus), so hard to say. She's only got three mates at that point, and there's ELEVEN non-townreads.
I'm gonna think harder about where to look after her flip I think.
Posted: Mon Nov 09, 2020 12:58 am
by Fidget
Analyzing start of D2 / Fred wagon because I can't sleep
Spoiler:
In post 4129, Tayl0r Swift wrote:fine with any of {fidget, pooky, uno, titus, bell}. i sorta feel like maybe only one of pooky and bell is scum. and shelly i really cant make my mind up on.
Taylor begins the day by having 0 or 1 scum in her top 5, nice. Actually there could be scum in Titus/UNOwen, so probably ~1 scum in there overall.
In post 4140, Bell wrote:I’m just gunna go with the safest option here.
I think he’s scum for lurking.
In post 4141, Tayl0r Swift wrote:sometimes i start to doubt myself about bell and pooky. but then they make posts like the ones on this page and i feel confident again.
@pooky whats the point in calling out bell for trolling when it was clearly either an NAI mistake or a scumslip where he didnt need to pay attention to the thread since he knows everyone's alignment.
@bell is pushing a lurker really the best you can do after 166 pages? really?
Reminder of why Bell is still town (He has many posts elaborating and all that, I'll skip them). Conflicted on whether or not this is genuine from Taylor.
Fred obviously was hard tunneling Noraa. Titus has been pushing getting Noraa flipped so she can use Noraa's wagon for info. This is a very Titus thing to do, but I wonder whether or not this is convenient reasoning to votepark Noraa. She had been saying it for a while on day one though, so I don't think it's fair to evaluate it that way.
Lapsa's slot has a lot of nerve being alive right now. I want to say that the fact Lapsa has come under like no scrutiny ever is scum-indictative, but the only people who controlled scrolls on D1 were town and I guess he was not really present so maybe he got missed. However my large amount of townreads makes me want to think Lapsa/DGB is scum anyway. We shall seeee.
Oo noticed this. Does Lapsa put more than 2 scum in his list? I want to indulge in WIFOM and say that just Zdenek and shelly will flip scum from it if Lapsa is scum.
In post 4221, shellyc wrote:fred is scum based off newb 2025 +1 to that I think.
so. yeah. taylor -> pooky -> noraa gets rid of 2 scum.
In post 4222, shellyc wrote:fred sounds really pedantic and really excusey imo
Bell continues to go upwards in my reads, I'll join you on fred if needed
Kill shelly kill shelly
Fred is under ~2 votes of pressure and she comes out confidently saying Fred is scum. However, Zdenek was not on her list of people to shoot D1, not here nor here. She also wanted UNOwen first AND wanted to do the Taylor/Noraa/Pooky kills.
However.. after a couple more votes...
In post 4223, MUSHSHAGANA wrote:I just doublechecked Fred's ISO to be sure I wasn't asspulling the above post and SURE ENOUGH! Literally no pressure has been anywhere but on Noraa. Surprisingly enough, the pressure itself is absolute garbage -- I was giving Fred such a pass that I didn't realize that Fred is voting a slot for /no goddamn reason/, no case presented, literally just picking at supposed "contradictions" that don't even add up to anything even /if/ you assume they're from scum. Too bad that not even "assuming scum" holds here when Fred's arguing in favor of people townreading the very fucking slot the pressure is on. It's a totally incoherent mess of an ISO and it isn't even aimed in a singular direction.
Like, I look at the post Fred wants replies to and I go "wow if I was in the line of fire here I'd ignore your nonsense too".
She shifts her focus to Fred all of a sudden and goes ham. Again, this is what shelly does to partners that come under suspicion, she firmly believes in bussing hard to get all the towncred she can muster.
In post 4227, Fredrick A Campbell wrote:You know, with 17 players left in this game, I really would appreciate it if everyone only post if they have something meaningful to say. Below is an example of completely inessential conversation that could have been done using the site chat. Please use the site chat for conversations like this. You won't get banned. It's not game related.
Fredrick: complains about no game advancing content
Fredrick again: Doesn't give game advancing content at all
lol
fred order these names from town->scum NOW
fidget
taylor
theta
bell
gloria
She's going nuts on him. Like??? What warranted this?
In post 4240, UNOwen wrote:Provisionally OK with cursing Fred.
Always OK with cursing shelly.
Yo Flea, updated reads on (Noraa, shellyc, Theta, Fred, UNOwen) with justifications?
Nora: Scum lean - As much as I want her to be town, there's too much bad stuff and Lady's drilling didn't help the matter.
Shelly: Town-ish - Emotional reaction seemed genuine to me. Interactions seem genuine.
Theta: SL - Reassessment needed.
Fred: SL - Literally just slid in the game like he was always here, nothing really rocking the boat. Zdenk was SL, seemed to be trying to poke things but not actually doing that much about it. Feels like I've actually done more [which is frankly impressive]
UNOwen: Scum - I made a post previously and I stick to that.
I'm conflicted again! If Shelly/Fred/Theta are all scum, I would expect Flea to townread at least one of them, they practically have to. And having UNOwen as their highest scumread is helpful so they aren't forced to bus. I'm marking this post to review after the flips.
the fact that most scum have pooky but not bell on their lists is interesting. suggests that pooky really is town. similar wrt shelly. so who is the last scum? hmm.
Taylor is consistently so off the mark it makes me probably 90% on shelly > taylor being scum here. That plus the blatant swap on Fred at the end. It's shelly, not taylor. I forget what forbids them both being scum but I know there was something (have they lockscummed each other perhaps?), but in any case my conclusion is a resounding kill shelly.
I want to sit down and read what's happened before I start posting, but unfortunately I haven't really had that opportunity yet
I was gone for the entire first VC of today, wow! Reading it good now is almost better though.
In conclusion:
Kill shelly
Probably don't kill taylor as long as she's not with shelly which I swear there was something about that
I wanna review Flea 4242 after flips
Bell/Mushy are solid still
I like UNOwen and I like him even more if Theta is scum
I am suspicious of Lapsa but might be confirm biased by large # of TRs