Mini Normal 2098 - Game Over! (Mafia Won)

[Kraeg]

I don't think it's necessary for me to say who I targetted last night. It won't give us a conftown.

[Garmr]

I don't think it's necessary for me to say who I targetted last night. It won't give us a conftown.

It wouldn't unless your scum.

[Garmr]

I don't think it's necessary for me to say who I targetted last night. It won't give us a conftown.

It wouldn't hurt unless your scum.

fixed

[Garmr]

I'm going to go for LAL today. I understand Garmr was trying to drive everyone to lynch me by lying as the JK. It's very unnecessary considering the fact that the reason for lynching me was weak. The whole wagon was hinged on a gut feeling. It's not like Garmr is a Cop who got a Guilty result on me for him to drive everyone that way. Besides, he was claiming JK.

So for me LAL

VOTE: Garmr

yeah this is pretty weak. What does scum me achieve with this? I think you are scum so I did that to force the lynch through. I wouldn't of called it off if not for the combined fact Mohan,you and Billy acted strange. Mohan just turned out to be trash.

Also you have no reason to have me in your scum list. You have oh he faked claimed "to get me lynched" which is trash and "he talked about power roles" which is null for me (even through it's antitown normally and not scum)

You have presented no real reason to scum read me.

So from log you are either scum or a trash player since all your scum reads are town yesterday and you didn't have a decent case for any of them.

[Garmr]

actually your reasoning for both the dead townies is omgus and no other reason. It's ok to scum read someone who voted you if you think their reasoning is scummy. You don't do that you just say people voting you are scum that's be.

[Garmr]

bs *

[Skellen]

Hmph, LAL is pretty meh for D2. Isn't that just policy?

Kraeg, has your read on Garmr not changed at all? What is the scum motivation in Garmr's fakeclaim, retracting it and him personally leading the lynch away from you with voting Mohab up to L-1?

Generally how have your reads changed with both flips we got so far?

[Skellen]

@profii:
Can you explain how your stance developed during EoD1 on Mohab? Looking back at the Mohab wagon I had the impression going by #501 you were figuring due to your metaread on Mohab that he was completely different from his scumgame (which didn't necessarily mean it's town, as you said) as you already mentioned in #369 before where you were giving him a slight meta tick to the town box due to lack of content, so originally I assumed you had a very slight townlean on him. If I got it right so far. So came your willingness to compromise on him in #505 just from his illogical Kraeg/Garmr scumteam and was pretty much depending on his answer? I mean you elaborated in #530 what you were expecting, but just called it mental, which is as we - unfortunately - had to learn rather nai. Or was it just a compromise for a lynch's sake? (I don't remember anymore how the deadline was back then)

[profii]

So Kraeg maintains that there can be a Rb and a Jk but also notes I can be an Ic

He must think this is 9p role madness

I also think he doesn't want to guess his supposed rb target incase that player counter claims with an actual result

[profii]

@Skellen

501 - yep agree
369 - yep agree
505 - yep subject to him posting a weird reason but he self hammered instead
530 - indeed it was NAI

I couldn't really make head nor tail or garmr vs kraeg and I was probably scared of lynching the 1 PR between them, so I was kinda hoping mohab said something really scummy about kraeg/garmr to settle my mind that everyone else was right and my meta check was not as strong a reason to not vote compared to everyone on the wagons reason to vote

So a bit compromise and a bit avoiding risk of PR loss I guess but if he had said something logical I would have restrained and defended it too i guess

[profii]

So Kraeg maintains that there can be a Rb and a Jk but also notes I can be an Ic

He must think this is 9p role madness

I also think he doesn't want to guess his supposed rb target incase that player counter claims with an actual result

9p role madness,,,, with 2 VT flips

[profii]

And I thought profi will be confirmed as Inno Child today. I didn't see that happen.

To clarify I have to formally ask for my town status to be verified so ill just do that when people start to vote me

[profii]

And finally

VOTE: kraeg

[Emperor flippyNips]

And I thought profi will be confirmed as Inno Child today. I didn't see that happen.

To clarify I have to formally ask for my town status to be verified so ill just do that when people start to vote me

do you have to be voted to ask for the verification? or are you wanting to wait until you’re voted to bust it out?

[profii]

The latter

It's quite liberating knowing I can say what the hell I like and if anyone finds me scummy I can say well hey look I'm town -> boom

[profii]

I want people to not believe and vote me before I bother though, gives more info

[Emperor flippyNips]

Why not do it now before there’s a chance for us to hit lylo

[profii]

I want to see who pushes me

[Luca Blight]

I think with regards to the kill, the obvious answer is the correct one in this case. Kraeg is definitely today’s Lynch. I think Flippy is the most likely partner atm.

[Billy Pilgrim]

VOTE COUNT 1.7

Mohab500 (1) - Billy Pilgrim
Skellen (0) -
Luca Blight (2) -

Garmr

, Emperor FlippyNips
Garmr (0) -
Emperor FlippyNips (0) -
profii (0) -
NorwegianboyEE (1) - Kraeg

L-1

Kraeg (4) -

NorwegianboyEE, Mohab500,

Skellen, profii
Billy Pilgrim (1) -

Not Voting: Luca Blight

ACTIVITY NOTES:
Luca Blight is V/LA through Monday, Sept 9
Skellen has been prodded.

With 9 alive, it takes 5 votes to lynch.

Day 1 deadline is Friday, September 13th at 10:00 am PDT which is in

(expired on 2019-09-13 10:00:00)

VOTE COUNT 1.8

Mohab500

(1) - Billy Pilgrim
Skellen (0) -
Luca Blight (0) -
Garmr (0) -
Emperor FlippyNips (0) -
profii (0) -

NorwegianboyEE

(1) - Kraeg[/color]

L-1

Kraeg (4) -

NorwegianboyEE, Mohab500

, Skellen,

Garmr

Billy Pilgrim (0) -

Not Voting: Luca Blight, Emperor FlippyNips, profii

VOTE COUNT 1.13

L-1

Mohab500

(4) - Billy Pilgrim, Kraeg, Luca Blight,

Garmr

Skellen (0) -
Luca Blight (0) -
Garmr (0) -
Emperor FlippyNips (0) -
profii (0) -
NorwegianboyEE (0) -
Kraeg (2) -

Mohab5

NorwegianboyEE

Billy Pilgrim (0) - 00,

Not Voting: Emperor FlippyNips, Skellen, profii

ACTIVITY NOTES:
All is good!

With 9 alive, it takes 5 votes to lynch.

Day 1 deadline is Friday, September 13th at 10:00 am PDT which is in

(expired on 2019-09-13 10:00:00)

Hmm the first two are interesting. Me and profii are in the same position on two different vote counts but the situation is different.

Profii jumps off because of the roleclaim while I Jump on. I think skellen is town so from my pov the entire wagon on kreag is town. So profii should either be really suspicious of skellen or kreag since he seems to town read me. Becuase if kreag is town at the point Profii was on multiple people could of hammered and easily of used the excuse but Kreag roleclaim was scummy. Also while kreag himself acted like both roles could coexist so did Billy. While not what scum should do Kreag has been weird all game and I don't think we should treat him as standard.

There's atleast one scum on mohabs wagon. The candidates are kreag, Luca and billy. Kreags really starting to tick all the scum boxes on reflecting on how events played out.

VOTE: Kreag

Why are you so confident there's one scum on Mohab's wagon?

Mod Edit: Fixed broken quote tags

You are saying both wagons are are all town and the entire scum teams is between swollen emperor numpty and profii.?

You just named a three person potential scum pool. Why are you so confident that that's not a possibility? I'm not saying anything at this point. In my mind, Profii pinged me hard at the end of D1 when he cased me on a misrep. Now, I don't know if that was a mistake or genuine, but at the moment, it felt off. So I don't know for sure that scum was on that Mohab wagon, and that self-hammer makes that conclusion harder.

At the end of D1, you were my top town read because if you wanted to push me for a mis-lynch earlier you could have. And when I flipped town, everyone would have bought the case and they'd have looked at the folks that hopped on later. So the fact that you backed off and reapproached either means that you decided that pocketing me was better than mis-lynching me, in which case good move, because I'll probably need a guilty on you to flip, or you're town. I'm really hoping I'm right about town.

So why are you so confident the scum team isn't in your pool?

[Billy Pilgrim]

I don't think it's necessary for me to say who I targetted last night. It won't give us a conftown.

You should say because if we mass claim it will be useful information.

[Billy Pilgrim]

Is anyone going to weigh in on my massclaim request? I feel like it would help sort for me. And if we mislynch today, we're at LYLO tomorrow.

[profii]

Not particularly fussed for a mass claim. I'm confident in Garmr, Luca, Skellen so I only need to sort Billy/EFN/Kraeg.

If Kraep flips town by some miracle, I'd probably say mass claim is right just to make sure we deal with the questions over Garmr properly but dunno I think we are close to victory here.

[Skellen]

I couldn't really make head nor tail or garmr vs kraeg and I was probably scared of lynching the 1 PR between them, so I was kinda hoping mohab said something really scummy about kraeg/garmr to settle my mind that everyone else was right and my meta check was not as strong a reason to not vote compared to everyone on the wagons reason to vote

So a bit compromise and a bit avoiding risk of PR loss I guess but if he had said something logical I would have restrained and defended it too i guess

I see, that explanation looks good enough for me. I wasn't sure where to put you regarding the Mohab wagon as I tend to consider people part of the wagon when they show intent to move there, especially if everything gets cut off with something surprising like that self-hammer. I was wondering if the Mohab wagon was actively or passively scumdriven (post-claims), but everytime I look at it to draw some conclusions out of it everything leads back to the question what Kraeg's alignment is. This lynch feels kind of inevitable.

[profii]

If you are pocketing me and letting town mislynch kraeg by apathetically letting us head towards it i will be quite unhappy, Skellen