1) Did you notice Tchill's crumb D1? If so, what did you think about it initially?
2) What's been your general approach to this game? Looking through your ISO, I'm struggling to find much town motivation from your play so far.
3) This one's more of a question for everyone I guess but is it standard for doc role PMs to say that you can't target yourself? I know there are some variations where the doc can target himself, but isn't it assumed that you can't in most cases?
1. No
2. I just haven't had much motivation at all. That's often true up to lylo for me.
I'm still failing to see how that comes from a townie perspective. Scum already know who's who and have less motivation because of that.
Haven't actually bothered ISOing Aaron/rereading the game yet.
Also his lack of a stance on Tchill/Spam after their claims until I really had to fucking push him to give some opinions on it.
Though the opinions he finally did give were good.
Except they were opinions I had already stated or was in the process of forming so I don't understand why you needed to push me there.
After this game I'm gonna ask the mods if I can change my username to Aaron Fucking Frost.
Posted: Sun Sep 15, 2019 10:34 am
by AaronFrost
If Skitter is somehow scum here I'm going to eat my shorts.
Posted: Sun Sep 15, 2019 12:17 pm
by skitter30
Aaron which of the two do u think it is?
Posted: Sun Sep 15, 2019 12:19 pm
by AaronFrost
Between you/Hectic or between Tchill/Spam?
Posted: Sun Sep 15, 2019 12:20 pm
by skitter30
Well i meant tchill/spam but you might as well answer both
Posted: Sun Sep 15, 2019 12:25 pm
by AaronFrost
Thought I explained this already but yeah Spam is my stronger scumread.
Between you and Hectic, definitely Hectic. I don't like how he's trying to push me as aggressively as he is when our objective here is to decide between Spam and Tchill.
Posted: Sun Sep 15, 2019 12:37 pm
by Tchill13
In post 564, Tchill13 wrote:The only person that hadn't claimed b4 NotMySpamAccount was skitter I believe. So "points me" or however he said it.
I like the claim from NotMySpamAccount. The indecisive adds a spice to it that makes it more believable. I just think you were unlucky because there's an actual protective.
You also are on the original azure wagon. You had seen that me and hectic had claimed vt by the time you claimed protective. This would have given you higher cred than me or hectic and you could have focused on one of our lynches. I'll have to go back and check which way it seems like you were about to push.
In post 465, NotMySpamAccount wrote:Well this isn't a fun lylo. At least and probably only 1 scum in {Hectic, Tchill}, and Aaron as the other probably. I'm Town Indecisive Doctor. I can't protect the same person 2 nights in a row. I'd rather not claim who I've protected for obvious reasons.
If you're town, Aaron, I'm not aggressively pushing you, I'm trying to get some fucking thoughts out of you so that I can sort you/skitter tomorrow assuming we lynch correctly today.
But fuck me, you're both scumreading me.
The fact skitter claimed VT last when she probably could've got away with some kind of PR claim does give her some points.
But I don't really know what exactly she'd claim here that would be fair.
@Spam: Remind me of your Aaron scumread me?
Posted: Mon Sep 16, 2019 2:29 am
by skitter30
Hectic that's the kind of post i dont much like ^
Posted: Mon Sep 16, 2019 6:01 am
by Hectic
Thanks for that.
@mod: V/LA 17th to 21st.
Posted: Mon Sep 16, 2019 3:37 pm
by skitter30
so this is fun
Posted: Mon Sep 16, 2019 3:40 pm
by skitter30
hectic i know this is going to be a while since you've gone vla but when you get back, i need you to show me why you're town
if we get it right today given the current gamestate i'm probably going to be holding hammer tomorrow so if you're town you need to explain to me why i should be voting aaron over you
Posted: Mon Sep 16, 2019 8:24 pm
by Hectic
I really don't fucking like you setting this narrative of Aaron vs me tomorrow with you as the deciding vote.
I'm actually really unsure on you and Aaron right now. Aaron has improved the last couple of irl days.
Posted: Tue Sep 17, 2019 1:09 am
by AaronFrost
I actually agree with Hectic on this one. That statement seems to imply that you're conf!town which is far from the case. Just because we're both townreading you doesn't make you conf!town.
This might just be paranoia speaking but now I'm feeling like it could be skitter. Hectic is still my stronger scumread, but I haven't ruled out scum!skitter either. It's not gonna matter if we mislynch today though.
Posted: Tue Sep 17, 2019 1:37 am
by skitter30
In post 590, Hectic wrote:I really don't fucking like you setting this narrative of Aaron vs me tomorrow with you as the deciding vote.
I'm actually really unsure on you and Aaron right now. Aaron has improved the last couple of irl days.
Hectic if it wasnt lylo with another 1v1 we need to sort i'd prob be voting you rn
How has aaron improved?
Posted: Tue Sep 17, 2019 1:39 am
by skitter30
In post 591, AaronFrost wrote:I actually agree with Hectic on this one. That statement seems to imply that you're conf!town which is far from the case. Just because we're both townreading you doesn't make you conf!town.
This might just be paranoia speaking but now I'm feeling like it could be skitter. Hectic is still my stronger scumread, but I haven't ruled out scum!skitter either. It's not gonna matter if we mislynch today though.
Nope, not conftown by any means, just reading the gamestate and recognizing a pattern i've seen many times before
I hope spam comes back soon, 1v1s are kinda boring while we wait for one of the primary members to get off vla
Posted: Tue Sep 17, 2019 2:33 am
by AaronFrost
Spam where you at dude.
If you're town, then convince me that you are.
Posted: Tue Sep 17, 2019 8:57 am
by NotMySpamAccount
In post 562, Tchill13 wrote:It specifically says I'm not allowed to self heal, just double checked. I don't see how ppl don't specify that anyway due to new players coming the the site.
ok, we'll just have to let this rest. According to Hectic, Salad hasn't modded before, so while the vast majority of role pms don't specify (which is good evidenc that you're lying), we can't be sure. Let's do this based on content.
In post 465, NotMySpamAccount wrote:Well this isn't a fun lylo. At least and probably only 1 scum in {Hectic, Tchill}, and Aaron as the other probably. I'm Town Indecisive Doctor. I can't protect the same person 2 nights in a row. I'd rather not claim who I've protected for obvious reasons.
I'm looking, but what I see missing is the explanation I made later for that post. Solid misrep.
In post 568, Hectic wrote:So I'm not really familiar with this fucking "mafiascum wiki", but I went and had a good look at the Normal Game page.
And it does say shit like:
"If you are moderating on mafiascum.net in the Newbie, Open, or Normal queues, your game must follow the appropriate guidelines below."
and
"All flavor should be public; flavor is not allowed in Role PMs. Role names should be standard, or non-flavored if original."
-though this more about flavour.
A standard doctor PM according to the Doctor page looks like this:
Welcome, [Player Name], you are a
Town Doctor.
Abilities:
Each night phase, you may attempt to protect one player in the game from being nightkilled.
Win condition:
You win when all threats to the town have been eliminated.
Like how fucking likely is it that Saladman would include the "can't self-target" thing in the role PM.
Fuck, I hate playing mod WIFOM but I feel like this shouldn't be ignored.
This precisely. Salad is a first time mod too. This is the last thing I'll say on the subject, since I assume you (as scum backed into a corner) have no objections to dropping it.
In post 559, Hectic wrote:@skitter: Why am I scum over Aaron? Like give specifics.
You pushed both the mislynches + aaron is just obvtown
Why is Aaron fucking Frost obvtown?
It's just been, well, obvious for most of the game
He's arguing in good faith, he's reconsidering things when he ought to, his thoughts are internally consistent, he's been making astute observations
What do u think is scummy exactly ?
I mean it hasn't been obvious. I'd have to go back over his iso for specifics, which I'll do after this wallpost, but he's rubbed me the wrong way for most of the game.
Tchill13 wrote:
In post 568, Hectic wrote:So I'm not really familiar with this fucking "mafiascum wiki", but I went and had a good look at the Normal Game page.
And it does say shit like:
"If you are moderating on mafiascum.net in the Newbie, Open, or Normal queues, your game must follow the appropriate guidelines below."
and
"All flavor should be public; flavor is not allowed in Role PMs. Role names should be standard, or non-flavored if original."
-though this more about flavour.
A standard doctor PM according to the Doctor page looks like this:
Welcome, [Player Name], you are a
Town Doctor.
Abilities:
Each night phase, you may attempt to protect one player in the game from being nightkilled.
Win condition:
You win when all threats to the town have been eliminated.
Like how fucking likely is it that Saladman would include the "can't self-target" thing in the role PM.
Fuck, I hate playing mod WIFOM but I feel like this shouldn't be ignored.
Yeah it'd be pretty stupid of me to check the same wiki you have as scum and then double down on the fact that in my PM it specifically stated I can't self target.
I mean once you committed to one, you couldn't really let up, could you?
Haven't actually bothered ISOing Aaron/rereading the game yet.
Also his lack of a stance on Tchill/Spam after their claims until I really had to fucking push him to give some opinions on it.
Though the opinions he finally did give were good.
I think I'll just keep mindmelding with this dude for the rest of the game, I'm enjoying it.
Haven't actually bothered ISOing Aaron/rereading the game yet.
Also his lack of a stance on Tchill/Spam after their claims until I really had to fucking push him to give some opinions on it.
Though the opinions he finally did give were good.
Idk
I can understand wanting to take some time to sort out the pr mess
From my pov there's one scum in tchill/spam and one in you/aaron and
between the two of you aaron is about 45 times townier
That's debatable. from mine, hectic and surprisingly aaron are having a pretty good day 3, while you aren't. didn't expect that.
1) Did you notice Tchill's crumb D1? If so, what did you think about it initially?
2) What's been your general approach to this game? Looking through your ISO, I'm struggling to find much town motivation from your play so far.
3) This one's more of a question for everyone I guess but is it standard for doc role PMs to say that you can't target yourself? I know there are some variations where the doc can target himself, but isn't it assumed that you can't in most cases?
1. No
2. I just haven't had much motivation at all. That's often true up to lylo for me.
I'm still failing to see how that comes from a townie perspective. Scum already know who's who and have less motivation because of that.
Believe me, town can very easily be unmotivated. check my meta and you'll see that I'm frequently unmotivated up to lylo or lylo-1.
After this game I'm gonna ask the mods if I can change my username to Aaron Fucking Frost.
I wish username changes were possible, that would be funny. at the very least, I'll gladly propose it as a title for you postgame.
Hectic wrote:Well, shit, this doesn't bode well.
If you're town, Aaron, I'm not aggressively pushing you, I'm trying to get some fucking thoughts out of you so that I can sort you/skitter tomorrow assuming we lynch correctly today.
But fuck me, you're both scumreading me.
The fact skitter claimed VT last when she probably could've got away with some kind of PR claim does give her some points.
But I don't really know what exactly she'd claim here that would be fair.
@Spam: Remind me of your Aaron scumread me?
to be taken care of post-wall post
skitter30 wrote:hectic i know this is going to be a while since you've gone vla but when you get back, i need you to show me why you're town
if we get it right today given the current gamestate i'm probably going to be holding hammer tomorrow so if you're town you need to explain to me why i should be voting aaron over you
ok that's a bad one right there
Hectic wrote:I really don't fucking like you setting this narrative of Aaron vs me tomorrow with you as the deciding vote.
I'm actually really unsure on you and Aaron right now. Aaron has improved the last couple of irl days.
*mindmeld continues*
AaronFrost wrote:I actually agree with Hectic on this one. That statement seems to imply that you're conf!town which is far from the case. Just because we're both townreading you doesn't make you conf!town.
This might just be paranoia speaking but now I'm feeling like it could be skitter. Hectic is still my stronger scumread, but I haven't ruled out scum!skitter either. It's not gonna matter if we mislynch today though.
hmm, not sure what to think of this post.
AaronFrost wrote:Spam where you at dude.
If you're town, then convince me that you are.
Ask me whatever once I finish isoing you. I'm glad to answer. The same goes for everyone else.
Posted: Tue Sep 17, 2019 9:01 am
by NotMySpamAccount
I'm about 10 posts into Aaron's iso rn, and honestly, it's sounding more like newish town than scum. I'm not sure what prompted my original sr there, but I'm starting to lean a bit more town. Also, with skitter claiming vt, that puts her solidly back in the scumpool.
Posted: Tue Sep 17, 2019 9:05 am
by NotMySpamAccount
Yeah I'm not sure what prompted my sr other than maybe subconcious omgus. His iso is actually pretty good. skitter, you're in the hot seat now.